bonnie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Strange how people wanted change and now all they can do is to refer to Bush as an excuse for Obama. I had to bow to the King because Bush used to be President. How silly. Let me see ... Saudis were the main group of 9-11 attackers ... and Bush went after the terrorists .... so Obama has to bow to the King. Wow When Obama was campaigning it was obvious it was the word,not actions that soothed people. Several times after supposedly spontaneous town hall type meetings,the words hope and change is what had people on their knees in worship of Obama. The conversations were painful to even listen to but the glow was what it was all about. I never heard one intelligent reason for voting for Obama. Most conversations went like "Yeah Obama,he is going to change things" When asked how it was "like man,change,you know what I mean,change is what we need man, That usually was beginning and end. Even now, starting to realize it would not just be the vulgar rich paying much more in taxes ,it will affect all,many that don't have to many choices. That is still okay because getting the vulgar rich is so satisfying. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Once again ... Joe the Plumber has turned out to be right with his grave concerns about Obama. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Quote: As for the ludicrous spin of "faithfully executing the office", check the official US State Department website and look under official protocol. There really are no hard and fast rules here. At worst it was an awkward moment, a faux pas. I said it was not impeachable. The contrast between his behavior with the Queen of England and the King of Saudi Arabia seems significant. And indicative of a mindset that is eager to cede sovereignty to a world court or whatever will gain good will for Obama, whatever the cost to our country. Or maybe the guy is really just a doofus, unable to figure out what to do without the teleprompter. Six months ago I would have said it was ridiculous. Today, it's becoming credible. Never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look competent. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted April 13, 2009 Members Share Posted April 13, 2009 Quote: Never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look competent. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Stellar !! Obama is Jimmy Carter on steroids, og Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Stellar !!Obama is Jimmy Carter on steroids, og Then we have Biden,a drunk on steroids Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 You all, with all the Bush bashing that went on and all the Obama bashing going on now, I wouldn't be surprised if Stan becomes frustrated. Can't we keep from calling people names or constantly cutting our leaders down? Sure they are fallable, Sure they make mistakes, sometimes HUGE ones but does that need to be our focus in life? Don't we have better things to focus on, for instance the eternal salvation of those who surround us and don't know Jesus? We don't have to be ostrirches with our heads in the sand but do we have to be on the front row of every political wind that blows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 You all, with all the Bush bashing that went on and all the Obama bashing going on now, I wouldn't be surprised if Stan becomes frustrated. Can't we keep from calling people names or constantly cutting our leaders down? Sure they are fallable, Sure they make mistakes, sometimes HUGE ones but does that need to be our focus in life? Don't we have better things to focus on, for instance the eternal salvation of those who surround us and don't know Jesus? We don't have to be ostrirches with our heads in the sand but do we have to be on the front row of every political wind that blows? The Bush bashing was continual and nasty. I recall a couple that have taken part here ridiculed Bush for his strong faith. If you are referring to my calling Biden a drunk on steroids,let me rephrase for you. Biden lies as in conversational lies,just to impress. he has been caught numerous times and yet continues. He also act many times like he has had to much to drink. The hearty good ole boy routine. You are right we should not be ostrirches with our heads in the sand but do we have to be on the front row of every political wind . Being aware of end time events,whenever they may be,recognising some pretty disturbing signs and actions of Obama. Watching the utter worship of this man. Cannot even think that the man may be headed down a dangerous path. Some seem so heavily invested in Obama that it is inconceivable that he could play a very important role. Can we stop it?? NO. But should we encourage and praise actions that can have serious ramifications for christians. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I am not referring to any one person but to a huge amount of posts both previously about Bush and now about Obama. I think we can recognize the times we live in and focus on reaching out to those around us instead of analyzing our political leaders. The end is coming...as Christians we all know that, and yes it will be soon, but our focus needs to be on our relationship with Jesus, and what we are doing to save others. One can also give partial credit for things going well, even if the motivation wasn't good, or for the motivation being good even if the outcome isn't good. For instance, in evangelism, it isn't wise to bash all other denominations nor would that be Christian. Instead we are to present truth. Yes, sometimes we have to show how the error crept into the Christian church but more often than not, we can show how God has brought back lost aspects of His truth via the various denominations (for instance the Baptist brought out the truth about baptism by immersion, Methodists of living holy consecrated lives, etc...) It is a matter of focus. That is all I am talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 With all the respect that is due you Taylor ... I think that a good review of the history of what has happened is wise. First we have a Godly man in the name of George W. Bush being called a liar and a murderer by those here on this very Forum. Next they made fun of him because he was open about his trust and faith in God. Bring on the scene a man who has a very shady background ... they make him a saviour because he is black. Then look at what he has done to our country. I just find it strange that back when people were bashing Bush ... that we didn't hear the cries like you are making now. If your voice was heard then ... perhaps things would be different. But with the above history ... I think the record needs to be clear. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 That ain't bad, Red. Ain't bad... Red it. ger Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 With all the respect that is due you Taylor ... I think that a good review of the history of what has happened is wise. First we have a Godly man in the name of George W. Bush being called a liar and a murderer by those here on this very Forum. Next they made fun of him because he was open about his trust and faith in God. Bring on the scene a man who has a very shady background ... they make him a saviour because he is black. Then look at what he has done to our country. I just find it strange that back when people were bashing Bush ... that we didn't hear the cries like you are making now. If your voice was heard then ... perhaps things would be different. But with the above history ... I think the record needs to be clear. I wasn't in the country much when the bashing was going on and I read about much of it later when I had consistent internet access. There are a few reasons I have decided to say something now: 1. One expects bashing to go on during an election, but that election is over, so we need to learn to live with what we have regardless of how we feel about it. 2. After all the Bush Bashing...that did go on (and yes it was often over the top), I guess I am just tired of this forum having so much Obama bashing..not becuase Obama is extra special or that Bush is extra special but becuase I am just tired of the constant negativity that didn't exist nearly as much till the last 8 months or so. 3. At times I do not speak up till later, not wishing to say the wrong thing and incite problems on this forum where as it is people often seem to missunderstand and get frustrated with each other. (or sometimes people are just caustic and not missunderstood at all...simply caustic) I value people a great deal and do not wish to hurt anyone, even when I strongly disagree with them on any topic. I guess I am just getting tired of seeing post after post disecting the leadership (first it was Bush and now it is Obama.) I am not here to pick sides. I have my own personal internal political convictions but I guess I am not as interesting in talking about them as I am about other subjects. I just think we can disect policies without making the policy makers out to be villans. (Even if they are villans, I am not sure what we gain by saying so.) I don't think it is fair to say that the only reason people like Obama is that he is black, that wouldn't be any more fair than saying that liked Bush becuase he was white and the son of a previous president. (Of course some did vote for Obama because of his skin color and some doubtless for Bush because of his skin color, but most americans are broader minded than that.) I think people need to be able to stand on their own feet. I would not call Bush a Godly man...Godly to me is someone who is completly for God and I didn't always see that reflected in all of his policies. Yes he is a Christian man, who no doubt did the best he knew how, but I guess I use the word Godly for a more narrow range, but that is ok, you can use it and I won't argue with it. I actually did vote for Bush so I am not against him. I did not like everything he did but that also didn't make me talk about what I didn't like all the time. (But then that doesn't mean everyone has to be like me. I am not perfect and I am not an example. I am just saying I think we have pressing matters to deal with, our families, and reaching others with the gospel. ) I did hear people crying about against the "Bush Bashing". Maybe it wasn't enough, but it did exist. I am hearing some voices now about the Obama bashing as well. I think it has way more to do with people being tired about it, for most of the ones here, as opposed to being thrilled with everything Obama does., but I could be wrong. I just want to see the good in both past and present leaders and then pray for that which isn't good. That is just my 2 cents..which may not be worth much. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 Yes. Those that don't want to hear negativity about politics can avoid the politics thread and forums. That is what is cool about this site. You can pick and choose what you want to read. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I do pick and choose..it is just that it keeps showing up in most threads. Everyone has the right to complain. I just think we can do better, that is all. I dont think the solution is avoidance at all costs. A marriage that isn't safe enough to have discussions is not a marriage. But the jumping to conclusions or the name calling that has happened both against Bush and Obama isn't necessary and detracts a lot from the discussion at hand. Just my 2 cents and I respect you Red and everyone else on here. I just think that all of us could do better...just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 14, 2009 Members Share Posted April 14, 2009 Taylor I have to agree with you. Problem is every time there is a change in party it goes from one than to the other. The bashing never ends. Each side doesn't really care who wins as long as its there party. This is why I have no love for politics. All those that are democrats have no love for the Republicans, and those that are Republicans have no love for the Democrats. No matter what either side is really for or against. I remember quite a number of years ago there was a vote coming up in the senate, and the media were interviewing a Republican senator from california and a vote was coming up and they asked him which way he was going to vote. The only thing he had to say was, which party was wanting the bill to pass. They told him the Democrats, he said that if that was the case he was going to vote no. The guy didn't even know what kind of a bill it was, hadn't even checked it out, was just going to vote no because the other party was seeking approval. Awesome politics is just awesome, what a joke. And people actually say the things they say to each other, over politics pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Taylor I have to agree with you. Problem is every time there is a change in party it goes from one than to the other. The bashing never ends. Each side doesn't really care who wins as long as its there party. This is why I have no love for politics. All those that are democrats have no love for the Republicans, and those that are Republicans have no love for the Democrats. No matter what either side is really for or against. I remember quite a number of years ago there was a vote coming up in the senate, and the media were interviewing a Republican senator from california and a vote was coming up and they asked him which way he was going to vote. The only thing he had to say was, which party was wanting the bill to pass. They told him the Democrats, he said that if that was the case he was going to vote no. The guy didn't even know what kind of a bill it was, hadn't even checked it out, was just going to vote no because the other party was seeking approval. Awesome politics is just awesome, what a joke. And people actually say the things they say to each other, over politics pk The saying "Some are so heavenly minded they are no earthly good" The direction of this president is unprecedented. The path he wants to take us down would have been unthinkable in past years. It isn't a question with this president,democrat or republican. It is was a socialist elected and are we prepared to back and champion this man in the direction he is going and many are following. Now it seems so many remember the high road as Obama's ideology becomes more obvious. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Wow Bonnie....I don't think that was necessary of being so heavenly minded we are of no earthly good! I would never say that about you even if I didn't agree with you. And I didn't like the Bush bashing anymore than I like the Obama Bashing...see previous posts made today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Wow Bonnie....I don't think that was necessary of being so heavenly minded we are of no earthly good! I would never say that about you even if I didn't agree with you. And I didn't like the Bush bashing anymore than I like the Obama Bashing...see previous posts made today. It was not directed at you,altho I can see why you would think so. I am sorry I didn't clarify that There were many that almost seemed to froth at the mouth over the name. HIs faith,his intelligence,his honesty and shouts of murderer on a daily basis. The whitewashing of anyone's actions as well Bush or take your pick did it.So just let's look for the good in Obama as we reexamine the past president. I am sure that Obama has some good points. Being a socialist is not one of them. Neither is being an honest leader. That is a test he failed right out of the starting gate and cheered by many,SDA christians among them as he did so. The past president is responsible for actions by Obama or we run a comparison study of lies and which we will willingly accept. Obama so far has been able to blame all on Bush.Where he fails to blame Bush his willing ,adoring followers do it for him. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Taylor: I have learned a few things in participating in the political threads. 1. Some people go on the same rants over and over again. Once you read one of their posts you have read them all. So that means you don't have to read them all. I just skip over the threads written by some people because their responses are so predictable I know what they are going to say before they say it. 2. Some threads I read just because I know the member posting them has a good sense of humor. I don't take anything they are posting seriously but enjoy reading their posts. 3. Many people are overly critical of politicians and forget that the blood of Jesus actually covers politicians' sins too. Many of these types of people assume the worst motives for politicians that disagree with them and assume the best motives for politicians that agree with them. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Originally Posted By: Taylor Wow Bonnie....I don't think that was necessary of being so heavenly minded we are of no earthly good! I would never say that about you even if I didn't agree with you. And I didn't like the Bush bashing anymore than I like the Obama Bashing...see previous posts made today. It was not directed at you,altho I can see why you would think so. I am sorry I didn't clarify that There were many that almost seemed to froth at the mouth over the name. HIs faith,his intelligence,his honesty and shouts of murderer on a daily basis. The whitewashing of anyone's actions as well Bush or take your pick did it.So just let's look for the good in Obama as we reexamine the past president. I am sure that Obama has some good points. Being a socialist is not one of them. Neither is being an honest leader. That is a test he failed right out of the starting gate and cheered by many,SDA christians among them as he did so. The past president is responsible for actions by Obama or we run a comparison study of lies and which we will willingly accept. Obama so far has been able to blame all on Bush.Where he fails to blame Bush his willing ,adoring followers do it for him. I have rarely seen a president that doesn't blame all on the past president...which can get old, I will admitt. I think this time, with the financial crisis it is all the more tempting to do so, even if it has nothing to do with Bush. I do, however, think that people deserve second chances and that one mistake doens't rule everything about their future. If God were like that with us, none of us would have a chance. He will learn as he leads, he will grow in good ways and in not so good ways as he is a human just like everyone else. Whatever his agenda or background ,I do think the good needs to be recognized ,just like the generosity shown by McCain in his "defeat" speach...that was deemed classy even by people who didn't like him. Having socialist leanings and being a socialist are two different things, however, and I have had relatives and friends who have lived under strong socialism and I can tell you it is very far to the left of where Obama stands. However, we aren't here to debate whether he has leanings or how heavy those leanings are. I think the biggest reason people voted for him is they were tired of war...not realizing that there is probably a lot more "war" in the future no matter who is the curret president. We live in a volitile world that is held together by God. It would take nothing to ignite the powder keg we all call the world. I am glad to know your comment of "being so heavenly minded...no earthly good" wasn't directed at me...I guess I am just not comfortable no matter who it was directed at, but I am not here to judge you, and maybe I missunderstood the tongue in cheek or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Taylor: I have learned a few things in participating in the political threads. 1. Some people go on the same rants over and over again. Once you read one of their posts you have read them all. So that means you don't have to read them all. I just skip over the threads written by some people because their responses are so predictable I know what they are going to say before they say it. 2. Some threads I read just because I know the member posting them has a good sense of humor. I don't take anything they are posting seriously but enjoy reading their posts. 3. Many people are overly critical of politicians and forget that the blood of Jesus actually covers politicians' sins too. Many of these types of people assume the worst motives for politicians that disagree with them and assume the best motives for politicians that agree with them. Again, Shane you make some very good points. Thanks for posting this. I love what you say about the blood of Jesus. I think we need to look at our leaders as people who need Jesus and work towards that end as much as we possibly can by praying for them, applauding that which is good, even if it is minimal etc.. I would love to spend eternity with as many people as possible, including politicians and world leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Guy Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Quote: 3. Many people are overly critical of politicians and forget that the blood of Jesus actually covers politicians' sins too. Aren't we taught that the blood of Christ must be asked for, believed in and accepted? A career politician has an underlying motive to be self-serving. I doubt the blood is doing much covering at this point as long as the sins continue unabated. By their fruits you shall know them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Quote: A career politician has an underlying motive to be self-serving. I don't think any of us are capable of making that kind of a judgment call. The word "cover" has more than one meaning. In many contexts it means "to cleanse" and in that respect, yes, we must accept Christ's sacrifice for us in order to be cleansed by His blood. However another meaning for the word "cover" is "to include". That is the context I was using. For example: the price of admissions covers the meal. The blood of Jesus covers politician's sins too. Consider the story of King Nebuchadnezzar. He attacked and killed hundreds, if not thousands, of God's people. He went on to ignore God's warnings until he his mind was taken from him for seven years. Then he repented and we are told he will be in the kingdom of heaven. If the blood of Christ was enough to include Nebuchadnezzar's sins, I believe it is enough to include Bush's and Obama's sins too. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 15, 2009 Members Share Posted April 15, 2009 Absolutely Shane. Christ died for each and every one. We are all sinners. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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