Doug Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Science tells us a lot, it proved that lightning did not come from Thor's Hammer and the universe does not revolve around the Earth. Do we just believe what the Bible says even though science says differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldona Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 I hope not. God gave us His word, but He also created the universe and everything in it, and gave us intelligence and inquiring minds and expects us to use them. My firm belief is that the more we diligently search for truth (both scientific truth and Biblical truth), and the more knowledge we have, the more the apparent discrepancies between science and the Bible will disappear. Examples: - In medieval times, many Christians believed that fossils were a "trick" created by the devil to confuse believers (presumably this was the closest the devil could get to creating something.) Now, scientists with a Christian belief system accept that fossils are relics from the Flood. - When I was in primary school (grade school) at an SDA school (1980's), one of our teachers would tell us that the idea of plate tectonics and continental drift was an evolutionist lie and had no basis in the Bible. Now we have no problems with the idea of continents moving, and indeed it seems to be referred to in the Bible. (Genesis 10:25 - "To Eber were born two sons; the name of the one was Peleg ( = 'division'), for in his days the earth was divided..."). I'm sure our learned friends from various disciplines could contribute many more. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a science geek, but I have never been afraid to study and ask questions and find out about this wonderful world that God created and placed us in. When done honestly and in a spirit of humility (i.e. "I do not have all the answers and I am willing to learn something new"), this has only tended to strengthen my faith. (The nature of this faith is quite different to a blind, literal, "black-and-white" acceptance of what we think the Bible says, but that is a topic for another day.) Now, if only our fellow Adventists would stop using words like "science" and "higher education" and "book learning" as if they were dirty curse words... and stop using "educated" as a synonym for "lacking spirituality"...it would get a lot easier. aldona Quote www.asrc.org.au (Asylum Seeker Resource Centre, Melbourne)Helping over 2000 refugees & asylum seekers each monthIMSLP/Petrucci Music LibraryThe Public Domain Music Score Library - Free Sheet Music DownloadsLooking for classical sheet music? Try IMSLP first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 The real question here is which source of authority will you choose if there is a dis-agreement between these two? What is your final magisterium that you will live by? Which? og Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Science is not able to explain everything in the world or universe around us. It tries to but certainly is not able to say with certainty many things. The purpose of the Bible is not to explain the world around us scientifically. The Bible is a divinely, inspired book of history, prophecy and poetry. It is not a science book. Science has not proven anything that is contrary to the historical records recorded in the Bible. Science simply makes speculation about things that would be in conflict with the divine history written down by the prophets. Science has not proven the age of the Earth, the origin of life or the evolution of one species from another. Science simply speculates on these things. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted April 29, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2009 Science tells us a lot, it proved that lightning did not come from Thor's Hammer and the universe does not revolve around the Earth. Do we just believe what the Bible says even though science says differently? I don't find Thor's Hammer in the Bible, so how can you compare belief in it to blind disregard of science? And just what ESTABLISHED scientific fact is being disregarded by believers because of Scripture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldog Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Yes, we should blindly follow what the Bible says. God would not give us a lie, or hide a truth from us as insinuated by EGW (God's hand was over the date, lol). As for the age of the earth. Whether it is 6000 years old or 6 billion, neither one contradicts the bible. There is a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. We have no way of telling how long this gap is. How do we know there is a gap? Easy. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Then in verse 2 the earth was without form and void, less than perfect. God doesn't create anything without form or void. Something happened to the earth between those 2 verses which virtually destroyed it and God had to start over again. My theory is that it was Satan who destroyed it once and he is trying to do it again. Quote "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Science is not able to explain everything in the world or universe around us. It tries to but certainly is not able to say with certainty many things. The purpose of the Bible is not to explain the world around us scientifically. The Bible is a divinely, inspired book of history, prophecy and poetry. It is not a science book. Science has not proven anything that is contrary to the historical records recorded in the Bible. Science simply makes speculation about things that would be in conflict with the divine history written down by the prophets. Science has not proven the age of the Earth, the origin of life or the evolution of one species from another. Science simply speculates on these things. Don't we believe that the earth is less than 10K years while science says the earth is over a billion years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted May 8, 2009 Moderators Share Posted May 8, 2009 Most SDAs believe LIFE on planet earth is less 10k yrs old, but I dare say that most SDAs who have some science exposure and KNOW their Bible well, do NOT believe the planet itself is less than 10k yrs old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallmark Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I wouldn't rely on those methods of testing to verify the age of the earth. However old it is, it was created by God in 7 days. As far as Thor's hammer goes, watch "Adventures in Babysitting". His secret identity is revealed in this comedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted May 9, 2009 Moderators Share Posted May 9, 2009 What was created on the first day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted May 9, 2009 Members Share Posted May 9, 2009 Tallmark if you read the first two verses of Genesis 1 you actually get the idea that there was something there when God created the earth. It says "The earth was without form and void" Genesis 1:2 (first little part) RSV. Just from that alone you get the feeling that there was already something there. And God than put his finishing touches on it. Now after having said that, I wonder what the actual Hebrew says, was the there something changed when they translated it to english. Just a thought. I'm disagreeing or agreeing with your post. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Personally I don't feel there is a gap 'tween Gen 1:1 and 1:2. Gen 1:1 is the opening statement for the rest of the following information. Rather like "Call me Ishmael" or "Marley was dead to begin with". Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Aurelius Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I've been grappling with the first chapter of Genesis for a while. It's a fascinating chapter. My thoughts on it are here: http://members.optusnet.com.au/pattersonmark/BibleNotes/Genesis/gen1.html Quote ἡ ἀλήθεια ἐλευθερώσει ὑμᾶς Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted May 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted May 11, 2009 Personally I don't feel there is a gap 'tween Gen 1:1 and 1:2. Gen 1:1 is the opening statement for the rest of the following information. Rather like "Call me Ishmael" or "Marley was dead to begin with". What was created on the first day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted May 11, 2009 Administrators Share Posted May 11, 2009 Yes, we should blindly follow what the Bible says. God would not give us a lie, or hide a truth from us as insinuated by EGW (God's hand was over the date, lol). As for the age of the earth. Whether it is 6000 years old or 6 billion, neither one contradicts the bible. There is a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. We have no way of telling how long this gap is. How do we know there is a gap? Easy. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Then in verse 2 the earth was without form and void, less than perfect. God doesn't create anything without form or void. Something happened to the earth between those 2 verses which virtually destroyed it and God had to start over again. My theory is that it was Satan who destroyed it once and he is trying to do it again. The book I am reading now, Dinosaurs- An Adventist View, discusses this theory as well as others :) Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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