Guest Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 What about EGW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yes. Some in the Adventist Church call her a Prophet. Perhaps he forgot about her. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldog Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Yes. Some in the Adventist Church call her a Prophet. Perhaps he forgot about her. Nope, haven't forgotten her at all. "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 So you don't think we need EGW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2009 There is no need for Prophets in the church age. See 1 Cor. 12: 10; Eph. 4: 11-14; Rev. 12:17; 19: 10. Those verses teach that God placed the gift of prophecy in His church, and that this gift would be manifested in the church just before the return of Christ. It makes good, biblical sense because of the things that the church will have to go through just before the end when Satan is particularly active in his attacks on the church. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldog Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Originally Posted By: Haldog There is no need for Prophets in the church age. See 1 Cor. 12: 10; Eph. 4: 11-14; Rev. 12:17; 19: 10. Those verses teach that God placed the gift of prophecy in His church, and that this gift would be manifested in the church just before the return of Christ. It makes good, biblical sense because of the things that the church will have to go through just before the end when Satan is particularly active in his attacks on the church. I am fully aware of those texts. Notice the word "gift". The gifts are available to all believers, as the Spirit wills. Prophecy is different than the office of Prophet. I was speaking of a prophet, not prophecy. "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 If someone prophecies, wouldn't that make them a prophet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldog Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 No, the office of Prophet denotes much more than just prophecy. "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2009 Notice the word "gift". The gifts are available to all believers, as the Spirit wills. Prophecy is different than the office of Prophet. I was speaking of a prophet, not prophecy. Eph. 4: 11, 14 and 1 Cor. 12: 28 are both references to prophets [Gk. prophetas, plural], not merely to a gift. In other words, it is saying that God chooses prophets to be in the church "until we all reach unity in the faith." That would mean that until Christ returns, we need to realize that God could send another prophet. It depends on when He knows we need one. If there would never be a true prophet after the time of John the Beloved, there would be no need to warn us of false prophets. All that we would need is a warning against all prophets. But the fact that the Bible doesn't say this is proof that the church could expect there to be at least one true prophet between 100 AD and the time of Christ's return. 1 Thess. 5: 19-21 tells us not to despise prophecy but to test everything and hold fast to what is good. When we despise prophecy and refuse to hold on to what is good, it says we are quenching (or putting out the fire of) the Spirit. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Hey John, did you read what I posted about Ernie deciding the dreams are from God after all? And firing up a new website with two new dreams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor29 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 There is no need for Prophets in the church age. Church age? SDAs are not dispensationalists. Prs God, frm whm blssngs flw http://www.zoelifestyle.com/jmccall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2009 I did hear something recently about that. I'm sorry to see it. I've read enough of his "prophecies" to be convinced personally that they are not of God. I'm somewhat--though not entirely-- surprised that he would come back even after his former supporters found out that he is a false prophet. They even wrote that he admitted them that he was deceiving people. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2009 No, the office of Prophet denotes much more than just prophecy. It's true that prophets do more than make predictions. Their main work is to bear messages from God to the people of God, and these messages may or may not contain prophecies about the future. I can't think of any Bible prophet who did not prophecy something about the future, can you? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutz13 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Hey John, did you read what I posted about Ernie deciding the dreams are from God after all? And firing up a new website with two new dreams? Most likely because he realized that there are lots of sheep in this world and are easily deceived. There can be no possible way he could think that God would give him two new dreams. He was a liar from the beginning. I mean seriously...he dreamed of Candace some character he made up... Are people to take this guy seriously? I pray to God, that He can help me actually feel for Ernie instead of despising him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I found out there are other websites with Ernie followers who don't know he got busted. All the ones in other languages don't know. He found out the money is good, so he can't/won't quit. He came into another blog site/forum last night under a different name and posted the new website. It was removed immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2009 I was astonished on other forums to find people still believing in him as a true prophet only a few days after he admitted that his dreams were false. So I think it's possible that many people contacted him and told him they still believe him. Under those conditions, from his viewpoint, why shouldn't he stay with the dreams? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I've got an e-mail his wife sent to some people, trying to explain everything away. Included were the new dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldog Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I was astonished on other forums to find people still believing in him as a true prophet only a few days after he admitted that his dreams were false. So I think it's possible that many people contacted him and told him they still believe him. Under those conditions, from his viewpoint, why shouldn't he stay with the dreams? if only they had the Internet 164 years ago.... "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2009 I was hoping maybe his wife wasn't involved in the deception. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2009 if only they had the Internet 164 years ago.... Why stop at 164 years ago? How about 2000 years ago? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Did you read my post just above your last one? We hit the button at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Share Posted August 11, 2009 Yeah, so evidently his wife is part of the scheme. Someone said earlier that she was tricked too, but now it looks like she knew about it all along. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I'm sure she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 She was telling somebody she witnessed some of his dreams. Now how do you witness someone else's dreams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldog Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 She was telling somebody she witnessed some of his dreams. Now how do you witness someone else's dreams? google a guy named Bob Jones and he'll show you how a modern "prophet" does it. He is the same man who would tell young girls to undress and he would show them heaven. "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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