Refugee

January 30, 2005

Lets be fair and have a place for sdanet, atoday and the old compuserver forum people.

January 30, 2005

Sounds fair. If any of these now defunct forums charged a membership fee, I would encourage anyone now using Club Adventist to contribute funds as well. This is a great place, but it does cost money to operate.

My 2c...

January 30, 2005

Christine,

I don't think that SDANET is defunct....I beleive it is still daily sending it's email out to thier people.....As for the old compuserver forum, I believe this is it. What you have now with C/A is the ol' compuserver forum. As for Atoday, I don't know...

January 31, 2005

other people, other threads…

First, Kudos, to the Stan for his expansive gesture. Second,

Halloooo, CA! and lurking cyberunits!

Well, …don’t know that one desires s/he be thought of as a refugee, or for that matter, as a troll, or spork, or ex-this or ex-that, or infamous dissentor (or feeding-infamous-dissentor), or some other charming pejorative, --when first

coming to the table of others to break bread, to sup and to sip with those same others; moreover, having said that,

I further noticed, upon a quick perusal of a thread this AM that there is a generous pinch of wheeling declension added to the flavor of these boards, per example:

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Your post was...well, pitiful.

…

So don't parade your life troubles before us all and lamant how you ain't in a particular forum....Just like there is good reason why I am not in the womens forum, there is a equally good reason why you are not in the forum that you have requested to be in....that is, if you have asked.

Is that a plus?

The foregoing being just so much by the by, let me admit that, what really tugs at me to engage upon these boards is the following…

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…:eek:! Surely he is not serious… [ed.]

:eek:!

now, THAT’S! a RIGHT PROPER Siren song. Irresistible. Thanks, for the invite; however, as I’m on a somewhat sabbatical, I’ll take a raincheck --with random detours, moderators and administration permitting… Oh, lest it slip my mind,

I am jasd (erstwhile, of the lively boards of VOAF), or how’zabout, just plain freakin’, adversarial (though not antagonistic) trog!? works for me… [/grinnin’ like a durn fool]

(I prefer my own pejoratives du jour and should we find our self in polite company, just think of us as the tweakster _as in_ tweaking the torque of flat earth theology and other nonesuch.)

Neil D

Laughter is the best medicine, but in certain situations a rag may be more appropriate. --c’mon, you had it coming… [/smiling]

Lastly,

re: the matter of inaccessibility to ‘hidden’ forums (another thread),

who really gives a rat’s fundament? ‘ceptin’…, “It’s the principle” --clique, claque, Aflaque, etc.

Perhaps, an exchange of email addresses with a select mailing would provide the sought-for security --furnishing the same results without the appearance of Niko-laiety, and altogether, with the promising sounds of ‘…received mail’ chimes;-)

January 31, 2005

…:eek:! Surely he is not serious… [ed.]

arrgh, ...guess 'this code' is not enabled?

January 31, 2005

Anonymous - welcome, fellow h4X0r! Sadly, only UBB code, not html. Try it this way: [:"green"]:eek:! Surely he is not serious[/]

That is, square brackets instead of triangular ones, with 'color:green' in the opening tag and '/color' in the closing one...

Using the thingies below and seeing what tags they generate works...

January 31, 2005

I think it is only the word "color" and then a colon, not the word font and an equal sign...

Though, I might be way off.

February 1, 2005

Bravus,

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Anonymous - welcome, fellow h4X0r!

Thanks, for the welcome --and the compliment; however, sad to say, 1m 2 unter eBOT5 2B 4 h4X0r [/sigh]

(8075 and BOTs were ‘married’)

My son owned a ‘puter shop and tried to teach me this and that --with a bit of elite in our email correspondence. He gave up. I am almost totally ‘puter illiterate, claiming to be hard of hearing and sight --rather than being simply eBOT5.

Bravus and Christine, together, Thanks…,

(it is good to strive for one’s ablest)

…and obliged.

Please advise, how does one employ code

/ for bold?

/ to edit?

/ to place a quote within another quote?

Undirected note: I hope it isn’t necessary to remind no one particularly that there is an inherent distinction, regards anyone’s observation, which exists --between CA per se and the random posts that may have been perceived as having initiated diminishments of another. That being said,

should I have given anyone cause for umbrage, let me suggest..., it is best that any opine addressing my post as issue, insofar as it may concern me, --that it be posted here on this board or upon this particular thread, as I cannot presently respond elsewhere. Otherwise,

I hope that all is --copacetic:-) …and no one is entertaining the thought that the issues I raised oughtn’t to have been addressed.

In all things be true.

February 2, 2005

Replace my curly brackets with square brackets:

{bold}{/bold}

use the buttons to edit

{quote}{quote}{/quote}{/quote}

February 2, 2005

Bravus<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

use the buttons to edit

‘edit buttons'? looking, looking, looking,…

If it isn’t the mentis, it’s gotta be the eyes --that’s shot.

Thanks, anyway.

jasd

February 2, 2005

These UBB code buttons are on every reply page but not on the instant reply box.

URL Email Image

List Start List Item List End

Bold Italics Underline

Quote Code

Also on every reply page is this link

UBBCode in your posts

February 2, 2005

HTML is now working on this....

February 2, 2005

February 3, 2005

Dear Anonymous,

I perceive a person who likes word play. I look forward to perusing your posts and puzzling them out.

LD

February 5, 2005

To those who took the time to become involved, --obliged, and thanks.

LynnDel

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I perceive a person…

…and I, a gentle and gracious person; such are blessed.

jasd

February 5, 2005

A deserved digression:

On the subject of Nicomedia::

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Sometimes I wish for TEN MINUTES, nay even but FIVE, some of you could come inside my mind and see where I live, see this cavern, this howling abyss where everything is flotsam upon jetsam, utter chaos, relentless disorder, without form and void. Then you would know. You would know how I feel, and what I feel. You would know how it is to have the virus eat you from the inside out, to want it out of your system so desperately and be unable to find relief. You would know madness, and multiplicity in everything, and what it means to be haunted by continual despair. You would be immersed in terrifying prophecies unfolding all around and through you, you would know what it is to starve in the midst of plenty, to be parched in the land of living water, to run to and fro seeking the Truth and not be able to know even if you have ever found or known it.

But you would also know what it means for those brief shining moments, so precious, so rare, when my mind is clear and the Spirit of the Living God is upon me. Those moments make it all worth while.

Umm, that, and yet to cogitate and to write so prismatically and wonderfully well…? Yikes! where was I on that fortuitous day when those gifts were parceled out? ah yes…, I recall.

February 5, 2005

Nicodema

Apologies, I was fixating on your communication skill.

jasd

February 6, 2005

One readily sees I mangle grammatical rules and linguistics, I ignore full stops, my form is exaggeratedly syncopic, I make up words, etc; but, some have told me that though having to labor through my posts, there sometimes is that to be gleaned.

At best it is idiosyncratic, at worst, ...it is idiosyncratic.

(I would have failed English except my professor stayed over several weeks into her vacation to assist making up my failures and to ensure I passed the course)

Admitting to the above, as it is hard to refute the obvious, there is yet the matter of my not being ritually either SDA or cognate Xtian…, presently speaking. That’s the stuff of privacy. As for a testimony,

let me be brief; when I volunteered for the war in Nam, the army refused me --on principle, mostly. [/oy vay!] That elicited a hoot at the Blarney Stone --where, of course, I had to stand everyone for drinks.

…‘nuff said on the bio. Let dissolution find its own repose.

The foregoing being said, the numen illume behind my posts should be easily apprehended.

So, with Sturm und Drang I venture forth with hardly a nevermind…, and with scarcely a pause for an oops!

Lastly,

2Co 4:2 …nor handling the word of God deceitfully;

however, as y’all admit error, I will also, --by same measure.

Where I offend, jes’ slap me ‘longside mah haid. When I refocus, I’m okay.

Can we get along? We shall see, won’t we?

jasd

February 6, 2005

(What I will post following, will be in the manner of potpourri. Whether post alone, or no, --it’ll still be me, jes’ doing my thing)

Okay, shazam!

Potpourri:

Inasmuch, as I don’t think the others registered, as Anonymous, would be comfortable too closely associated with _this_ Anonymous, namely, moi! I will, as jasd, temporarily utilize only this thread.

The fact that I’ll be ‘off topic’ a bit should not cause too great a consternation among others, n’cest pas?

Re: Hermeneutics, Biblical Literalism or Biblical Literacy, Ed Dickerson

No offense nor disrespect intended, as I can readily see the value of Ed’s observations, and should I possess those references recommended, my small contributions would immeasurably --be enhanced; I’m certain of it. But, let’s come at _this_ from another angle, a more acute angle to be sure, --nevertheless,

to the point.

By which rule, what rote,

Whose imagined pattern

Structures the cloistered reign

Of illusions and spectre-stuff. --Goethe

Wherewith are shackles slacked

And whereupon foundations laid --

Within a recess beside a brook?

A landslip of crumbs and feathers?

Or past veils of vesicular windows

To the sanctum of the soul?

In quiet expectation awaiting

Gdspeak and His anointing. [/Anonymous]

Between the conception,

And the creation,

Between the emotion,

And the response,

Falls the Shadow. --T. S. Eliot

Example:

I’ve followed the 2 Corinthians 3 thread on the other board and have surmised that the participants exhibit remarkable use of texts and have an appreciable understanding of the subject; yet, inferences drawn are separate, signal, and divergent.

Might one suppose that a prescribed methodology would bring the parties to a more convergent state?

Moreover, what if, texts attesting to Gd’s Old Testamental withdrawal of the Sabbath from the COI, or its calendrical historicity containing a degree of anomalousness --were to be introduced? the loss of one or more interstices, for example…? How much and how many more would diverge upon matrices of scientific methodology?

Or, example:

Uriah Smith is responsible for most of the foundational principles of the .Org; yet, today his views are being revisited…, to what purpose? Did he fail to avail himself of hermeneutical principles? Have they evolved since the 19th century? Q’est?

jasd

February 6, 2005

Quote:

Nicodema

Apologies, I was fixating on your communication skill.

jasd

Not a prob, Bob. It's in the tooth. But I fooled 'em, old buddy ... see?

February 6, 2005

Quote:

I’ve followed the 2 Corinthians 3 thread on the other board and have surmised that the participants exhibit remarkable use of texts and have an appreciable understanding of the subject; yet, inferences drawn are separate, signal, and divergent.

Might one suppose that a prescribed methodology would bring the parties to a more convergent state?

Several of us on here are convinced that Rob and Gerry are saying the exact same thing and their entire battle is one of semantics only.

Quote:

Uriah Smith is responsible for most of the foundational principles of the .Org; yet, today his views are being revisited…, to what purpose? Did he fail to avail himself of hermeneutical principles? Have they evolved since the 19th century? Q’est?

I think it's because as far as historical facts go, he was flat out wrong or incomplete in some areas, and it would not do to have the grand Great Controversy theme suffer from a bad retelling of history any public high school student with access to a textbook could easily, with a salient fact or two, seem to topple the whole of the prophetic good wrung from Daniel and Revelation by the man.

That's what I've heard on the grapevine -- I don't have sufficient knowledge of history to attest to or deny it myself.

-Nico

p.s. well met, whom art thou?

February 8, 2005

...string.

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…what if, texts attesting to Gd’s Old Testamental withdrawal of the Sabbath from the COI,…

Hos 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

jasd

February 8, 2005

(sorry for the Re: Nics...

I'm using the Quick Reply: window. There seems to be an automatic default.)

Nicodema

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... see?

…hope your smile is better than Louie’s.

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That's what I've heard on the grapevine –

There does seem to be a bit of a buzz. Unfortunate. Nevertheless,

if there is anything within any .Org needing revisiting, perhaps, it ought to be done before its foundations are severely tested, --to its detriment or, more importantly, to the detriment of those relying upon the expected and solid exposition of Gd’s word --by those who’ve accepted the mantle of responsibility to provide the flock --that solid exposition.

I think Dr Ben, is on track to advise personal study of Gd’s word.

February 8, 2005

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...well met, whom art thou?

Pray pardon, M’Lady of the Faire! ‘Tis I, your servant, t'is well met indeed.

‘Neath a summer sky with winter moon was I christened Penult, born of the Skyors borne of the east wind, --and am, these past few season’s turning, called Penult of the Shield, the Dream Shield. Its herald a red-barked cypress unknown, an eagle stayed, --vigilant upon the dexter searching the enemies of milord; on the sinister rest, or abode --of the field is the large white owl, its eyes sinister-wards. An eaglet not shed its down lies, shorn of life, --‘neath the tree.

We are arrived at this faire for quest --the lèvre fleure of thrice count of hand and one, which sealed the fabled eastern gate. Mayhap, Your Ladyship, that thine is the telling of it?

jasd [/gaming, sorta] ;-)

February 8, 2005

Re: … zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, JimBob7

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WHAT WORK.???.SPECIFICALLY!!!

and

WHAT IS ACCOMPLISHED WITH THAT WORK???

also..

OPENS TO VIEW THE PLAN OF SALVATION...

IN WHAT WAY?

SPECIFICALLY

Good.

He who would do good … must do it in

Minute Particulars:

…

For Art and Science (let me add, Theology)

cannot exist but in minutely

organized Particulars. --William Blake

[ed.ellipses and paraphrase:mine]

I can appreciate the postings of JimBob7 to the Z thread, as a psychological ploy. Sometimes, one ascertains, rightly or wrongly, that such a ploy might be used to good effect. I also, have often used such a device, the latest utilization being in my introductory post, ie, …flat earth theology… My purpose serves me, as I am certain JimBob7 feels, likewise, served.

Let me comment --that perhaps, Zs obtain because the message suffers from an incorrect mix, that is, an insufficient crispness a sounding truth ought to have. I mean

the argument exists that inasmuch, as the message --as presently constructed, was developed too precipitously, that is, --before the injunctions by Gd to ‘shut up and seal’ the BOOK of Daniel had found its eventuation. Following…

KJV Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

YLT Dan 12:4 …hide the things, and seal the book till the time of the end, many do go to and fro, and knowledge is multiplied.

or paraphrastically,

Living Bible Dan 12:4 “…keep this prophecy a secret; seal it up so that it will not be understood until the end times, when travel and education shall be vastly increased!”

Does(n’t) the Living Bible offer a spot-on paraphrase?

As pertains: ‘many shall run to and fro’…

Crozier would have gone to church either upon mare’s shank, horse, horse and buggy, or some other equally quaint means… Comparatively, by what means do we use to get to church?

As pertains: ‘knowledge shall be increased’…

Notwithstanding, Geronimo Fracastorio’s (1483 – 1553) ‘germ’ theory or Antonius van Leeuwenhoek’s (1632-1723) observation of infusorians, germs-as-causa for disease was, for the first time, only provisionally proven in 1868 when Davaine injected infected blood into a healthy animal. It was Robert Koch (1878) who actually ‘discovered’ germs, and it was post that that he first ‘proved’ germs to the scientific community by photographing the septicaemia germ by using methyl violet dye.

The above begs the question, was it Crozier’s prerogative to ‘open’ that, which was shut by Gd? or to ‘unseal’ what was sealed by Gd? --arbitrarily and prematurely?

jasd

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