Woody Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 There are far more of us here that are inspired of God than one would think or hear about. I have been inspired at times. Most of our authors in the church appear to me to have been inspired to share a message of Truth. I can name a few ... Ed Dickerson, Jon Paulien, Jack Sequeira, Edward Heppenstall, George Knight, Martin Weber, Morris Vendon and Alden Thompson. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 A Classical Liberal's View. The following is a sampling of Rudolf Bultmann's article in which he argued for the necessity of "demythologization": "Modern thought as we have inherited it provides us with a motive for criticizing the New Testament view of the world. "Man's knowledge and mastery of the world have advanced to such an extent through science and technology that it is no longer possible for anyone seriously to hold the New Testament view of the world--in fact, there is hardly anyone who does. . . . No one who is old enough to think for himself supposes that God lives in a local heaven. There is no longer any heaven in the traditional sense of the word. . . . We can no longer look for the return of the Son of Man on the clouds of heaven or hope that the faithful will meet him in the air (1 Thess. 4:15ff). "Now that the forces and laws of nature have been discovered, we can no longer believe in spirits, whether good or evil. . . . Sickness and the cure of disease are likewise attributable to natural causation; they are not the result of demonic activity or of evil spells. The miracles of the New Testament have ceased to be miraculous. . . . "It is impossible to use electric light and the wireless and to avail ourselves of modern medical and surgical discoveries, and at the same time to believe in the New Testament world of demons and spirits. . . ."The mythical eschatology [view of last day events] is untenable for the simple reason that the parousia [appearance] of Christ never took place as the New Testament expected. History did not come to an end, and, as every schoolboy knows, it will continue to run its course. Even if we believe that the world as we know it will come to an end in time, we expect the end to take the form of a natural catastrophe, not of a mythical event such as the New Testament expects. . . . "Again, the biblical doctrine that death is the punishment of sin is equally abhorrent to naturalism and idealism, since they both regard death as a simple and necessary process of nature. . . . Human beings are subject to death even before they have committed any sin. And to attribute human mortality to the fall of Adam is sheer nonsense, for guilt implies personal responsibility, and the idea of original sin as an inherited infection is sub-ethical, irrational, and absurd. "The same objections apply to the doctrine of the atonement. How can the guilt of one man be expiated by the death of another who is sinless--if indeed one may speak of a sinless man at all. What primitive notions of guilt and righteousness does this imply? And what primitive idea of God? The rationale of sacrifice in general may of course throw some light on the theory of the atonement, but even so, what a primitive mythology it is, that a divine Being should become incarnate, and atone for the sins of men through his own blood! "The resurrection of Jesus is just as difficult, if it means an event whereby a supernatural power is released which can henceforth be appropriated through the sacraments. To the biologist such language is meaningless, for he does not regard death as a problem at all. The idealist would not object to the idea of a life immune from death, but he could not believe that such of a life is made available by the resuscitation of a corpse. . . . "And as for the preexistence of Christ, with its corollary of man's translation into a celestial realm of light, and the clothing of the human personality in heavenly robes and a spiritual body--all this is not only irrational but utterly meaningless. Why should salvation take this particular form? Why should this be the fulfillment of human life and the realization of man's true being?"9 The reason why Bultmann rejects many biblical truths is that those truths are either not in harmony with today's scientific discoveries or they are offensive to the modern person's sensitivities. Because of this naturalistic, anti-supernatural assumption, when liberal scholars approach the Scriptures they adopt the historical-critical method of interpretation to explain away the supernatural activities recorded--the creation account, the worldwide flood, the crossing of the Red Sea by a large number of people, the shekinah that represented God's visible presence in the sanctuary, the fall of Jericho, prophecies about the future, the virgin birth, miracles of Jesus, Christ's bodily resurrection, a literal second coming, etc. Consequently, the various approaches of the historical-critical method assume that the Bible is not inspired, trustworthy, or authoritative. Classical liberalism's naturalistic assumption that denies supernatural occurrences became the basis of a plethora of methods to interpret the Bible. Collectively, these are called the historical-critical method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 10, 2009 Members Share Posted October 10, 2009 well, that was a big waste of my time to read Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Naturalistic Foundations of the Historical-Critical Method The various approaches included within contemporary higher criticism are all built on the following three naturalistic (anti-supernaturalistic) assumptions, all of which contribute to doubting the Word. These cardinal principles, without which there can be no historical-critical method, find classical expression in the works of the nineteenth-century German theologian and historian Ernst Troeltsch (1865-1923) The Principle of Correlation. Every Effect Has a Natural Cause. This principle states that every event must be explained solely by natural causes, that is, by cause and effect in the natural world. This means that there can be no miracles or supernatural occurrences; therefore, wherever miracles occur in the Bible, we must either reject those sections or give the miracles a naturalistic explanation. On the basis of this principle, such events as the six-day creation, the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt, the provision of manna in the wilderness, etc., are all rejected or considered as theological statements--not scientific or historically accurate accounts, but rather, history-like statements. How does this principle explain the miracle of Christ's resurrection, for example? Since classical liberals maintain that there cannot be miracles, if Jesus was really seen on Easter Sunday as the Bible says, then either Jesus never really died on Friday (He may have been unconscious or in a coma), or those who claimed to have seen Him may have been hallucinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 well, that was a big waste of my time to read Then it was also a waste of your precious time to post a response to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 The Principle of Analogy. The Present is the Key to the Past. This principle holds that past events must be explained on the basis of present occurrences. For instance, to the question: "Could Jesus have been resurrected bodily from the grave?" classical liberalism replies that the key to this past event is found in the present. Therefore, a person must go to the cemetery and find out how many dead people are currently rising from the grave. If one does not find dead people rising out of their graves, it means the Gospels' accounts of Jesus' resurrection could not have been true. Consequently, the doctrine of a future resurrection of believers at the second coming must be rejected or re-interpreted (as, perhaps, a coming of Jesus in your heart). The Principle of Criticism. Don't Believe Everything You Hear or Read. According to this principle, whenever you read any account in the Bible, instead of accepting it as truth, treat it with a level of skepticism or accept it only tentatively, with the possibility of revision. In today's terms, it's cool to be skeptical, naive to be trusting. After all, the Watergate and the Iran-Contra cover-ups by past presidents of the United States have taught us that one should not trust something until it can be fully checked out with scientific or investigative scrutiny. Skepticism is the key to establishing truth. Therefore, as one approaches the Bible, one must begin with suspicion rather than trust. How does this principle relate to the account of Christ's resurrection found in the New Testament? For classical liberals, it means being suspicious of the intentions of the Bible writers who recorded this event. They argue, among other things, that the resurrection accounts could have been designed to explain away the fact that the followers of Christ were misguided in the first place in believing that He was the Messiah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 10, 2009 Members Share Posted October 10, 2009 this is a FORUM. Your sarcasm is noted. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Method Denies Full Inspiration and Trustworthiness. The above three naturalistic assumptions became the basis of the classical formulation of the historical-critical method. If the Bible accounts cannot be accepted as trustworthy until they have been "checked out" by the critic, one must determine how to arrive at "the truth" about what is recorded in the Bible. Therefore, using the above three naturalistic assumptions, classical liberalism came up with various, often inconsistent and conflicting, methods of interpreting the Bible, all of which are bracketed together under the label "historical-critical method." The method is based on the above presuppositions. There cannot be a historical-critical method without an a priori denial of the full inspiration, trustworthiness, and authority of Scripture. Take away the naturalistic assumptions, and the historical-critical method ceases to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 this is a FORUM. Your sarcasm is noted. I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being straight forward. No one is forcing you to waste your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Liberalism's Methods of Biblical Interpretation Since liberal scholars hold that the Bible is essentially a human document and that the reports recorded in the Bible may not be reliable or accurate accounts of what actually happened, liberals have put forward several approaches (they term these methods "scientific," "historic," or "objective" paradigms) of Bible interpretation. Examples of contemporary higher-critical methods include: (1) literary-source criticism, which attempts to determine the various literary sources presumed to lie behind the present record in the Bible; (2) form or tradition criticism, which seeks to get behind the written sources of the Bible to the period of oral tradition and isolate the oral forms and traditions alleged to have gone into the written sources; (3) redaction criticism, which tries to study the activity of the "editors" of the Bible as they allegedly shaped, modified and even created the final product; (4) comparative-religion criticism, which assumes that the Bible writers borrowed from the neighboring polytheistic cultures and which seeks to study the evolutionary development of the biblical faith from its assumed polytheistic or primitive forms to its present monotheistic or matured form; (5) historical criticism, which employs all of the above and, in addition, draws upon archeology and secular historical sources; it seeks to determine authorship, date of writing, and what actually led to the writing of the biblical books; and (6) structural criticism, which attempts to investigate the relationship between the surface structure of the writing and the deeper implicit structures that belong to literature as such.11 Theology as taught in most seminaries and universities today is based on liberalism's historical-critical method. This method forms the basis of many scholarly commentaries, articles, and books and also filters down to the pulpits. Unfortunately, those who are most affected by it are not acutely conscious of it. And herein lies the danger. Scholars belonging to Bible-believing conservative churches and seeking to be considered "scholars" by the liberal academic community may think that they can successfully use liberalism's methods--literary-source criticism, form or tradition criticism, redaction criticism, comparative-religion criticism, historical criticism, etc.--without adopting the naturalistic foundation upon which old-fashioned classical liberalism established the methods! This theological experiment has given birth to "accommodationism" or "moderate liberalism" in conservative churches. Scholars give the appearance of being Bible-believing conservatives, but because they accept the use of the historical-critical method they are actually neo-liberals. For in order to use the methods of the historical-critical approach, a scholar belonging to a Bible-believing church such as our own would ultimately be forced by the liberal methodology to teach that inspired writings (the Bible and Ellen White) are not fully inspired, trustworthy, authoritative. In other words, the use of the historical-critical method leads to doubting the Word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Moderate Liberalism's View of the Bible Anglican scholar David L. Edwards, provost of Southwark Cathedral in London, is an articulate moderate liberal. He stated his views regarding the nature and purpose of the Bible in a dialogue with John Stott, an internationally respected Bible-believing evangelical scholar.12 Although Edwards identifies himself as liberal, he is a church-oriented liberal. His position therefore is a true reflection of the "accommodationist" viewpoint--the kind gaining currency in the Seventh-day Adventist church. A Moderate Liberal's View. For now, however, we wish only to acquaint readers with moderate liberalism's subtle skepticism towards the Bible's inspiration and reliability. In the paragraphs that follow, Edwards states briefly what he understands to be the saving truth which the Bible affirms. He also mentions a few things which, though found in the Bible, he considers not inspired. He writes: "God's purpose in inspiring the composition of the Bible which Christians hold in their hands today was 'severely practical.' . . . It was to tell us that we and the rest of the universe are wonderfully his creation--not to propose that science is corrected by either Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 (the myths in these two chapters, which come from different sources and dates, contradict each other in some details). It was to tell us that we are sinners--not to instruct us how the serpent who was already wicked could speak to Eve or how the murderous Cain, so primitive that he was Adam's firstborn son, found a woman to be a farmer's wife or how a flood covered the earth (including the mountains) without leaving any worldwide traces. It was to assure us that, although we are sinners, we are loved and delivered by God--not to inform us that the children of Israel included no fewer that 603,550 adult males plus families during the journey to Canaan (Numbers 1:46). It was to command us to live as God's children--not to persuade us that he dictated the law of Moses 430 years after his promise to Abraham (Galatians 3:17) although the time spent by the people of Israel in Egypt before the exodus had also been 430 years (Exodus 12:40). It was to tell us how he used a unique people, Israel, 'people who live apart and do not consider themselves one of the nations'--not to inform us that Balaam prophesied this having held conversations with a donkey and an angel (Numbers 22:21-35). It was to teach us, through his self revelation to the Israelites, that we must worship God alone--not to complain that the genocide of the Canaanite was incomplete. . . . It was to show that the holy God demands holiness--not to tell us that the number of wicked Israelites killed off by the plague in Shittim was twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:9) or twenty-three thousand (1 Cor. 10:8). It was to reveal his holy love through Israel's great prophets--not to provide fully accurate predictions of coming events. It was to proclaim his demand for justice--not to give us a completely coherent account of the origins of the Israelite monarchy. It was to reveal himself in the whole bitter-sweet history of Israel--not to recount that history with complete accuracy (somehow reconciling the books of Samuel and the Kings with the later Chronicles). It was to show how when swallowed up into victorious empires amid the storms of history, when exiled and deprived of all political identity, the Jews reached a better understanding of God's holiness and mercy--not to tell us how a whale could swallow and regurgitate Dove (in Hebrew Jonah). . . . It was to give us spiritual light--not to affirm that the sun once halted its journey across the sky for 'about a full day' (Joshua 10:13) or went backwards (Isaiah 38:8). "God's purpose was to proclaim that Jesus is 'a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel'--not to tell us whether Joseph's father was called Jacob (Matthew 1:16) or Eli (Luke 3:23). It was to say that the love of God was embodied in the carpenter of Nazareth--not to argue with the historians about the dates when Quirinius took a census in Judea (Luke 2:2) and when Judas and Theudas led their rebellions (Acts 5:36-37). . . . It was to tell us that Jesus died for us (whether he died on the day of the Passover feast, as in three of the gospels, or on the day before as related by John) and was raised from the dead (whatever may have been the details of his resurrection, which the gospels report differently). . . . It was to speak with converting and sustaining power about ourselves and our salvation. 'For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart' (Hebrews 4:12)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 "Magnificent Demolition Job." Edwards' assertions may sound familiar to you; his address is the kind heard from many pulpits and in many seminary lecture rooms today. Not a few Bible-believers sense that something is wrong with this view of Scripture, and yet they do not know what it is. They could readily discount the outright denials of miracles by radical (old-fashioned) liberals like Bultmann; but they cannot do so as easily with this "fascinating" view of Scripture--even though, ultimately, radical liberals and moderate liberals say the same things. Others, after reading this "magnificent demolition job" on the Bible by Edwards, feel like John Stott, who pictured himself as a peanut, lying "bruised, battered and broken beneath the Mighty Liberal Steamroller!" Readers who closely follow developments among Seventh-day Adventists will notice that the view of biblical inspiration presented above has been popularized in the church. Regrettably, some have hailed this kind of doubt regarding Scripture's inspiration and trustworthiness as "provocative, challenging, and extremely helpful in answering questions on inspiration"; others think it is "faith-building." In subsequent chapters of Receiving the Word we shall highlight the implications of such a view of Scripture for Adventist doctrine and mission, and we shall also address some of the questions the "magnificent demolition job" raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted October 10, 2009 Members Share Posted October 10, 2009 Why would you say that Rudywoofs? I'm just curious. And you don't need to answer if you don't want to. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted October 10, 2009 Originally Posted By: rudywoofs this is a FORUM. Your sarcasm is noted. I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being straight forward. No one is forcing you to waste your time. Moderator hat on - I am inclined to agree with Rudywoofs. If not sarcastic, you were clearly rude - not straight forward. And your sarcastically rude last sentence of your follow-up post noted above renders your erstwhile denial the more disingenuous. As I said before, your approach discourages an open and honest exchange of ideas, which should be basic to a forum. Learn some tact and courtesy - and use it liberally. And to Rudy's main point and legitimate observation - I agree. Reading Pipim's material is a waste of time. I do not see how it helpfully answers the question concerning what inspiration is. And it doesn't really do more than create a straw-man for your topic to set up and cut down. It still does not do anything to help answer your rhetorical bait question with which you started this thread. And posting reams of so-called experts also doesn't do much for encouraging discussion. What was your point and reason for posting Pipim's material? Tom Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 1. A Human Face on the Liberal Approach. Historical-critical scholars put a human face on their method by giving the impression that they alone are the champions of human "liberation." Here the agenda of the historical-critical method has intersected with the goals of the different forms of liberation theology--a theological orientation which seeks to "liberate" the poor, the oppressed, the underclass, the marginalized, women, ethnic minorities, and "sexual minorities." While the cause of human liberation is legitimate biblically, any agenda that leads to narrowing the Bible's scope of authority to a few sections that support the causes being promoted deserves rejection by Bible-believing Christians. And yet, some proponents of the different liberal theologies (liberation theology, feminist theology, cultural theologies, social gospel, etc.) have attempted to win Adventist support to their causes in this way, as we shall show in Chapter Eleven. It is no passing coincidence that since the 1970s, when an increasing number of the church's Bible scholars began adopting the higher critical methods of liberal theology, the Adventist church has also been thrown into much turmoil over such "hot" issues of social ethics as abortion, polygamy, divorce and remarriage, women's ordination, homosexuality, and racism. In the debate over these issues, advocates of the higher-critical method have harnessed the ethical sensitivities and sympathies of many good-willed Christians who are concerned about issues of injustice (whether of race, gender, or class) into supporting the liberal agenda. Thus, those in the church who are justifiably standing up against any form of injustice, unfairness, and discrimination are led to believe that in order to fight racism, gender injustice, oppression of minorities, etc., one must don the robes of liberalism. However, one can address such issues without resorting to the use of the historical-critical method--an approach that leads to diminishing the Bible's authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 2. Confusing an Illegitimate Method with an Inconsistent One. As noted earlier, two major kinds of defects in Bible interpretation affect many scholarly attempts to explain the meaning of Scriptures: (1) the use of a wrong methodology, and (2) inconsistency with a right methodology. Unfortunately, because these two defects are often confused, the misunderstanding has furthered the aims of those who espouse the liberal approach to interpreting Scripture. Thus, the current quarrel between conservatives and liberals is made to appear as a debate among fellow conservatives. Those who employ liberalism's higher criticism give the impression that they are also Bible-believing conservatives who happen to hold different views on some subjects. To give legitimacy to their claim, proponents of higher criticism point to disagreements among the Bible-believing Adventist pioneers, and also differences of opinion among today's Bible-believing conservatives, as no different from their own cases. However, the truth is that while the Adventist pioneers and today's conservatives are united in accepting the Bible's full inspiration, trustworthiness, and sole authority, higher-critical scholars do not accept this position. This point will become clearer in the next chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 3. Discrediting the Traditional Adventist Approach. A third strategy is to discredit traditional Adventism's method by insinuating that it is defective. Sometimes the impression is given that until the scholars of contemporary higher criticism came on the scene in the mid-twentieth century, Adventists did not have sound hermeneutics. Proponents imply that because our pioneers had not formally studied Hebrew, Greek, philosophy, and theology from established seminaries, they could not have done serious biblical interpretation or exegesis. Historical-critical advocates express this unjustified disdain for the Seventh-day Adventist pioneers in several ways. In the past some have commented that "the pioneers did theology, not exegesis"; "they employed allegorical (Alexandrian) method, not historical-grammatical (Antiochian) method"; "they did practical or devotional theology, not a seriously thought-out system of beliefs." Thus, one group of authors writing as "evangelical Adventists" maintains: "While early Adventists were clearly committed to scripture they did not understand how to interpret it. They often used a proof-text method of biblical interpretation to defend their distinctive beliefs and consequently missed the overall, uniting purpose of scripture as a revelation of God's salvation."40 Another author writes that "the Seventh-day Adventist church has never fully outgrown the Fundamentalist view of Inspiration that it grew up with in the nineteenth century"--a view of inspiration he characterizes as "a literal, rigid, propositional, or 'proof text' interpretation of Scripture."41 A more nuanced, subtle discrediting of the works of those following the footsteps of the pioneers characterizes their position as the "key-text" method, over against the "contextual method."42 Some dismiss anyone who does not operate on historical-critical assumptions as employing an obscurantist "proof-text" method. We have already noted how one author describes the well-crafted 1986 "Methods of Bible Study" document's stance as a "myopic position,"43 symptomatic of a "proof-text method." "In essence, the historical-grammatical method does scholarly investigation of the Bible under the control of fundamentalist proof-text principles and presuppositions, and appears to confirm proof-text conclusions by scholarly procedures."44 Those who are familiar with the key issues of hermeneutics reject such an assessment as a misunderstanding of the Adventist approach. In fact, a quick reference to the "Methods of Bible Study" document, reproduced in Appendix C of this book, will challenge the contention that the historic Adventist approach is a "proof-text" method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I'm getting really bored. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted October 10, 2009 Members Share Posted October 10, 2009 So than Redwood go watch a game of golf. Not that's boring! pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Hey. I like watching Tiger play golf. But it IS Sabbath. I don't do such things on Sabbath. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 4. Point to the "Clear Majority" of Historical-Critical Scholars. A fourth strategy for domesticating the historical-critical method in the Adventist church is to suggest that since many Adventist scholars in the industrialized world are traveling the "wide and broad way" of liberal scholarship, the path being trodden by the "majority" must be right. This strategy can be very tempting to those who crave the applause of "progressive," "open-minded" and "enlightened" scholarship. Statements like, "virtually all Adventist exegetes of Scripture do use historical critical methodology"45 and "the clear majority of Adventist biblical scholars . . . favor the use of such descriptive [historical-critical] methodologies"46 can have a powerful psychological impact. Who wants to go against a position that is backed by an "overwhelming majority of our Bible teachers and theologians"? Which church member, student, administrator, even Bible teacher would want to be scorned as belonging to an uneducated, uninformed, "out-of-touch," "ultra-conservative," "extremist," or "fundamentalist" group of Adventist scholars? Notice how the alleged "clear majority" often dismisses scholars who are traveling "the strait and narrow way" of traditional Seventh-day Adventism. Even though the approach of mainstream Adventism is consistent with the sola scriptura of the sixteenth-century Reformers, William Miller, and Ellen G. White, and even though their plain reading of Scripture (the historical-grammatical method) is shared by a majority of church members around the world, observe how a historical-critical author refers to the traditional Adventist approach: "the historical-grammatical method has gained [should have read "has retained"] only limited acceptance among Adventist scholars."47 The subtle implication is that the historic Adventist approach is defective because it is not embraced by historical critical scholars! Some have wondered how Joshua and Caleb would vie this approach (Num 13 & 14). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted October 10, 2009 Members Share Posted October 10, 2009 OK Redwood. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 The Crucial Issues in the Debate No matter how one defines "growth," "progress," "maturity," "sensitive," "infantile," "principle," "literal," and "proof-text" in the above statements, there is no doubt that, indeed, "the method that rules in the coming years will determine whether the Adventist church will continue to grow and mature or whether it will always remain in an infantile state."54 What is really at stake in this crisis over biblical interpretation is the identity, message, and mission of the Seventh-day Adventist movement. The crucial issues are these: Is the Bible fully inspired, trustworthy, and the sole authority for the Christian believer? Are the new approaches viable alternatives to the historic Adventist method? The questions, then, have to do with the inspiration and interpretation of Scripture. What the Church Did. In addressing these crucial issues, we need to be reminded again of key events in our recent history. Since the 1950s, as more of the church's scholars began using the higher critical approaches of liberal theology, the church has seen increasing challenges to its distinctive truths--the prophetic significance of 1844, the necessity and relevance of the Sanctuary doctrine, the inspiration of Ellen G. White, etc. And beginning in the 1970s, the church has experienced turmoil over such contemporary issues as abortion, polygamy, divorce and remarriage, women's ordination, homosexuality, etc. What did the church do when it discovered that its theological house was crumbling? Rather than simply offering some cosmetic changes to embellish the crumbling walls, the church chose to identify the cause of the problem and attempted to repair the theological damage. Thus in 1974, the church leaders and scholars--the key players in the quarrel over the Word--traced the problem to the church's theological foundation: the inspiration, trustworthiness, and sole authority of the Bible. At the Bible Conferences that year, they took an uncompromising stand against the historical-critical method. Given the influence of the historical-critical scholars, this decision required the courage of biblical convictions. But they rose to the occasion, publishing a book, A Symposium on Biblical Hermeneutics, which laid the groundwork for the 1986 Annual Council document, "Methods of Bible Study." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 It is now definately time for golf. Actually ... I'm watching my favorite team ... the Dodgers finsh off the Cardinals. Go Dodgers. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 The Result of an Unwavering Decision. As a result of the church's unwavering decision, some individuals who had earlier believed in the higher critical methodology experienced conversion and abandoned it. One such scholar is the current chairman of the Old Testament department of the Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary. He recounted something of his pilgrimage from using the historical-critical method to giving it up as a result of the 1974 Bible Conference: "While attending that conference, I awoke as from a dream. I came to realize that my approach to the Scriptures had been much like Eve's approach to God's spoken word. She was exhilarated by the experience of exercising autonomy over the word of God, deciding what to believe and what to discard. She exalted her human reason over divine revelation. When she did so, she opened the floodgates of woe upon the world. Like Eve, I had felt the heady ecstasy of setting myself up as the final norm, as one who could judge the divine Word by my rational criteria. Instead of the Word judging me, I judged the Word." He concluded: "I am now convinced that the issue of the authority of Scripture is basic to all other issues in the church. The destiny of our church depends on how its members regard the authority of the Bible." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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