Guest Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH Planned Parenthood's abortion quotas exposed Ex-director: We'd have client goal every month Posted: November 04, 2009 10:05 pm Eastern By Chelsea Schilling © 2009 WorldNetDaily A former director of a Texas Planned Parenthood branch who resigned after she watched an ultrasound-guided abortion told WND the clinic was pushing employees to strive for abortion quotas to boost profits. "There are definitely client goals," former clinic director Abby Johnson said. "We'd have a goal every month for abortion clients and for family planning clients." Johnson, 29, said the Bryan, Texas, Planned Parenthood clinic performed surgical abortions every other Saturday, but it began expanding access to abortion to increase earnings. "One of the ways they were able to up the number of patients that they saw was they started doing the RU-486 chemical abortions all throughout the week," she said. RU-486 chemical abortions kill the lining of the uterus, cutting off oxygen and nutrients, resulting in the death of an unborn baby. Johnson said the chemical abortion costs the same as an early first-trimester abortion: between $505 and $695 for each procedure. She told WND the clinic was experiencing financial difficulties due to the economic downturn. "Abortion is the most lucrative part of Planned Parenthood's operations," she said. "Even though they're two separate corporations, all of the money goes into one pot. With the family planning corporation really suffering, they depend on the abortion corporation to balance their budget, help get them out of the hole and help make income for the company." She continued, "They really wanted to increase the number of abortions so that they could increase their income." Now Planned Parenthood has retaliated against Johnson, filing a restraining order against her because the clinic fears she may leak confidential information. The Brazos Valley Coalition for Life, a pro-life group that recently moved its headquarters several hundred feet away from the clinic, is named on the temporary restraining order as well. The injunction temporarily prevents her from releasing information until after a hearing scheduled for Nov. 10 in the 85th District Court. Planned Parenthood claimed in court documents that Johnson copied private personnel files and other documents before she quit her position Oct. 6. The abortion provider's lawyers expressed concern that Johnson would disclose client medical records, doctor information and clinic security procedures. The restraining order contends Planned Parenthood would be irreparably harmed by an information leak. However, Johnson told WND, "I don't have any confidential documents, so I'm not sharing anything because I don't have anything. I have no patient information. I'd never do anything to compromise patient safety or confidentiality. For them to even make that type of statement is so offensive." Former Planned Parenthood director Abby Johnson with Coalition for Life Director Shawn Carney (photo: Coalition for Life) Planned Parenthood of Southeast Houston released the following statement Oct. 30: "We regret being forced to turn to the courts to protect the safety and confidentiality of our clients and staff, however, in this instance, it is absolutely necessary." Johnson said she's not sure why Planned Parenthood is so concerned. "Planned Parenthood is an organization that really runs on fear. If somebody crosses them, they are quick to threaten that person. I've worked for them for a long time and seen them threaten lawsuits multiple times," she said. "I'm not sure what they're scared of. When I first got the restraining order, I was so surprised. My initial response was, what do they think I know? What are they feeling guilty about?" Asked whether she believes Planned Parenthood is concerned that information about its quotas will become public, Johnson responded, "Probably, yeah. I think they're just scared of the whole thing." She said she believes the injunction is simply a scare tactic meant to keep her quiet. "Clearly, that kind of backfired," she said. Johnson explained that she resigned after she saw an ultrasound-guided abortion in which an unborn baby was vacuumed out of a woman's uterus. "Ultrasound-guided abortions are not typically done in Planned Parenthood abortion centers because they're more time-consuming, and that's just not something that centers like that do," she said. "I'd never seen one of those done before. For whatever reason, the physician had called me back to assist with the procedure. When I saw that, that was really when my heart was changed." Johnson, who was employed at the clinic for eight years and served as a director for two years, said the issue of abortion was "unsettling" for her the whole time she worked with Planned Parenthood. She said she kept "pushing down the guilt" and felt spiritually unsettled. "There's no religion and there's no spirituality in an abortion clinic. There can't be," she said. "Whatever side you are on, pro-life or pro-choice, it is what it is – and that's taking a human life." Coalition for Life photo illustrates how close pro-life group's building is to Planned Parenthood clinic. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted November 7, 2009 Members Share Posted November 7, 2009 Well that rots Richard. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 This really isn't new information. Pro-life groups have been pointing out for years that abortion is all about the money. They have even shown how the number of abortions increases when Planned Parenthood is allowed to come into local high schools in the name of sex education. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 This really isn't new information. Pro-life groups have been pointing out for years that abortion is all about the money. They have even shown how the number of abortions increases when Planned Parenthood is allowed to come into local high schools in the name of sex education. It may be new to some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Samojluk Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Richard, Thanks for posting this story. I had read this report from another source and was planning to post it on my own web site. I believe that Planned Parenthood should be renamed as "Planned Killing." The bad part is that you and I are taxed by the government for this planned extermination of innocent babies who did not ask to be conceived. Currently PP is receiving approximately $400 million dollars a year for what they do, and if Obama and Pelosi get their way, this yearly contribution will probably double. Unfortunately, some of our own Adventist hospitals are performing a similar service for women who are faced with unwanted pregnancies. One of our own well known hospitals was described by a General Conference leader as an "abortion mill." For more information about the Adventist position on abortion and how we departed from the noble example of our Adventist pioneers, read my doctoral dissertation on this precise topic at http://sdaforum.ipower.com/page13.html . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I've been thinking about posting parts of your Doctoral Dissertation here at Club A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldog Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 It's unbelievable that this church supports the pro-abortion stance. They accept the abortion- mill hospital into their "religion" and even let the adminstrators hold high-level offices in their church. I had a conversation just last week on Facebook with a prominent SDA who was militantly defending the "right" to kill innocent babies. Even the founders of our great country recognized that ALL rights come from God. God never gave the SDA church the right to kill His precious children. There is a coming judgement for anyone who knowingly supports the SDA church and/or hospitals in this evil act, either in deed or financial support. If the members would refuse to pay tithe until the SDA church stopped supporting the killing of babies it would likely stop quickly, but since the majority don't believe in Jesus they won't. Quote "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 It saddens me and sickens me that we could have such a state of affairs. I would personally advocate that any leading member of the Church who is not pro-life should be removed from office and from membership whilst retaining fellowship. Mark Quote The best wisdom is always second hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 And this info comes from "WDN"....world daily net....surely as 'unbiased' news source as one could want....NOT.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Like I said earlier, this is nothing new. All this information was already known. Planned Parenthood is in the abortion business and makes a lot of money from it. The Seventh-day Adventist church is not pro-choice. The church does not take a political position. There are many in the church that are pro-choice because they are so paranoid of the Sunday laws. They think if the government has the right to stop a pregnant woman from murdering her child, that same government can enforce a Sunday law. I think that is quite a leap but paranoia knows no bounds. I am pro-choice because studies have shown less abortions are performed per capita in countries where abortion is legal but restricted than in countries where it is banned. My goal is to reduce the number of abortions. I was very happy to see an anti-abortion amendment added the House's version of health-care reform last night. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 These policies might work to reduce the number of abortions, but wouldn't be legal, today: Any woman requesting an abortion will be required by law to watch a video of an actual abortion. Any woman requesting an abortion will be required by law to have her tubes tied following the procedure. ... What happens to all of those unwanted babies that haven't been aborted? What happens to the little bodies of all those unborn babies that have been killed? Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 These policies might work to reduce the number of abortions, but wouldn't be legal, today: Any woman requesting an abortion will be required by law to watch a video of an actual abortion. Any woman requesting an abortion will be required by law to have her tubes tied following the procedure. ... What happens to all of those unwanted babies that haven't been aborted? What happens to the little bodies of all those unborn babies that have been killed? My understanding is that the little ones are burned in the incinerator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Here's a rap song I started to write a few years ago...Maybe someday I'll finish it. Don't Let that Baby Die © Copyright 2006 by Aliensanctuary Go ahead lady, Get rid of that baby. Sure it's alive, But it's gonna die. One less mouth to feed, One less kid to beat, One less prison cell, One less...place in hell. Go ahead lady, Keep that baby. Give it what it needs, Plant the seeds Of love for its mother And love for its brothers... Keep that baby alive. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted November 9, 2009 Members Share Posted November 9, 2009 I'm definitely against abortion, but you know exactly what will happen if this is cut out. Woman will than go to butcher shops to have this procedure. This is the reason why they have abortion clinics now. I believe that they get counciling there and if not they should be. They need to know how that decision will affect the rest of there life's. But to say that this should not be part of HC is wrong, because one way or the other they will have it done and we will have many deaths to contend with as before. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Samojluk Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I've been thinking about posting parts of your Doctoral Dissertation here at Club A. Richard, You have my permission to post any material I have published in the http://sdaforum.ipower.com I am greatly concerned about the church which nourished my spiritual life from childhood and I am praying for it on a daily basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks Nic, I'm concerned for the church also. They are heading down a bad road in more ways than one. I will probably start posting some of it tomorrow. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks Nic, I'm concerned for the church also. They are heading down a bad road in more ways than one. I will probably start posting some of it tomorrow. Thanks again. Is knocking down our church allowed on this forum. I think it might be against the rules. At least I hope so. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I didn't knock down the church, I just stated a fact. Pull your head out of the sand and look around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Samojluk Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 If the members would refuse to pay tithe until the SDA church stopped supporting the killing of babies it would likely stop quickly, but since the majority don't believe in Jesus they won't. Haldog, Yes! Actually I have been doing exactly that for some years now. Nevertheless, I have not withdrawn all financial contribution from my local church; I have rather been splitting my tithes and offerings as follows: Half of it goes to my local church while the other half goes partly to a country where our Adventist Church leadership do not believe and do not practice abortion, and part of it goes to pro-life organizations engaged in the saving of babies from this atrocious genocide. The reason is very simple. I do not want the Adventist Church to go into extinction. The church is a witness to the Sabbath truth, and this has to be acknowledged. If I didn’t believe in the Sabbath, I would have left the Adventist Church by now. Some years ago, I wrote an allegory describing my spiritual struggle and pilgrimage in this respect. I had a hard time reconciling the notion that by supporting the church I might have the blood of innocent babies on my hands by association. You can read this by clicking on the following Internet link: A Stigmata Case in Loma Linda http://sdaforum.ipower.com/page38.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 This is just too WAY out for me. No thanks. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Samojluk Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 It saddens me and sickens me that we could have such a state of affairs. I would personally advocate that any leading member of the Church who is not pro-life should be removed from office and from membership whilst retaining fellowship. Mark Twilight, How do you remove “pro-choice/pro-abortion” individuals from their position when the church did officially adopt the “Guidelines on Abortion” nearly two decades ago which justify the killing of the unborn under a variety of circumstances including rape, incest, when the pregnant female is a minor, and even when the unwanted pregnancy is affecting the “mental health’ of the woman? Besides, every Adventist medical institution is free to implement its own guidelines on abortion, which means that the church guidelines are not prescriptive, but rather suggestive. This is why a few years ago our “Ministry” magazine reported that five of our hospitals were offering elective abortions to their patients. Elective abortions, of course, means that there is nothing wrong with the unborn baby and the reason for killing it is that the woman doesn’t want the baby. This is also the reason why a large chain of abortion clinics are owned by Adventists in good standing with the church. Some of them are quite rich, and they see nothing wrong with what they are doing. Since the church justifies the killing of the innocents, they believe that they are providing a valuable service for humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I for one am glad of the direction the church is going in...pointing to God as our leader, taking away the dogma of fear, admitting that God gave us the H*S to lead and guide on an individual basis, that the death of Christ finalized the plan of salvation, ie, that we have been saved, we can look to future with assurance, the days of nit-picking are over, human invention, that we have much more to learn and well, most of all "we are free"! Sorry folks, ain't no one gona' drag me into the past, the present and the future are looking mighty good!! Excellent Bravo Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haldog Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Jesus said He came to bring us Life! I decided a couple years ago to choose jesus' Life over the dogmatic teachings of a pro-baby-killer church. I'm not willing to risk the salvation of myself or my family on a church that is blatantly laughing at my God and His innocent unborn children. Quote "You may not agree with everyone. But if you are an honest man, when someone says something you disagree with it’ll drive you to the Word. If you find out that you were wrong and change your thinking then you are the better for it. If you go to the Word and find out that you were right then you have been strengthened. But either way always go to the Word!!” Billye Brim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I'm definitely against abortion, but you know exactly what will happen if this is cut out. Woman will than go to butcher shops to have this procedure. This is the reason why they have abortion clinics now. I believe that they get counciling there and if not they should be.pk Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight It saddens me and sickens me that we could have such a state of affairs. I would personally advocate that any leading member of the Church who is not pro-life should be removed from office and from membership whilst retaining fellowship. Mark Twilight, How do you remove “pro-choice/pro-abortion” individuals from their position when the church did officially adopt the “Guidelines on Abortion” nearly two decades ago which justify the killing of the unborn under a variety of circumstances including rape, incest, when the pregnant female is a minor, and even when the unwanted pregnancy is affecting the “mental health’ of the woman? Besides, every Adventist medical institution is free to implement its own guidelines on abortion, which means that the church guidelines are not prescriptive, but rather suggestive. This is why a few years ago our “Ministry” magazine reported that five of our hospitals were offering elective abortions to their patients. Elective abortions, of course, means that there is nothing wrong with the unborn baby and the reason for killing it is that the woman doesn’t want the baby. This is also the reason why a large chain of abortion clinics are owned by Adventists in good standing with the church. Some of them are quite rich, and they see nothing wrong with what they are doing. Since the church justifies the killing of the innocents, they believe that they are providing a valuable service for humanity. Thank you for clarifying that, was that a "world wide" church decision? Mark Quote The best wisdom is always second hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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