NEW PLAGUE?

[Guest]

Have you heard about this? I copied it from the British Newspaper called The Daily Express on Nov. 15, 2009:

A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.

A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.

President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko has called in the World Health Organisation and a team of nine specialists are carrying out tests in Kiev and Lviv to identify the virus. Samples have been sent to London for analysis.

President Yushchenko said: “People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely inconceivable in the 21st Century.”

In a TV interview, the President added: “Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three causes of serious viral infections came together simultaneously in Ukraine – two seasonal flus and the Californian flu “Virologists conclude that this combination of infections may produce an even more aggressive new virus as a result of mutation.”

What I would like to know is, had these people already received the swine flu vaccine? Were their bodies set up for this new pneumonia by vaccination?

[Guest]

Yep

[phkrause]

No had not heard or read this, but a very good thought at the end Richard.

pk

[Neil D]

From the WHO, a GAR notice

Global Alert and Response (GAR)

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine - update 1

3 November 2009 -- According to the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, the country has now recorded more than 250 000 cases of influenza-like illness, with 235 patients requiring intensive care. As of 2 November, 70 deaths from acute respiratory illness have been reported.

Regions in western Ukraine continue to show the highest rates of acute respiratory illness/influenza-like illness. The level of activity in the Kyiv area is also increasing rapidly.

Laboratory testing in Ukraine has confirmed pandemic H1N1 influenza virus in samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions. As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus.

As elsewhere, WHO strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection.

At the request of the government, a multi-disciplinary team of nine experts has been deployed by WHO and arrived in Kyiv yesterday evening. Discussions with the Minister of Health were held this morning to brief the team.

Team members will now begin field investigations to characterize the clinical and epidemiological features of the outbreak. Work will initially begin in Lviv region, where reported numbers of cases showing severe manifestations of acute respiratory illness have been especially high. Two virologists on the team have started working at the National Influenza Centre and the laboratories of the Central Sanitary and Epidemiological Station in Kyiv to provide diagnostic support.

Samples sent by the Ministry of Health were received today by the WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza, Mill Hill in London, UK. The laboratory will conduct confirmatory tests and further characterize the virus.

Many questions remain to be answered. The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe.

Given the potential significance of this outbreak as an early warning signal, WHO commends the government of Ukraine for its transparent reporting and open sharing of samples.

WHO continues to recommend no closing of borders and no restrictions on international travel, including to Ukraine. Experience shows that such measures will not stop further spread of the virus.

[Bravus]

Another report I read said the Ukraine government was being somewhat alarmist about what is basically an outbreak of the same H1N1 (swine flu) that is occurring elsewhere in the world, with about the same infection and fatality rates, in the lead-up to an election there. I couldn't find anything credible on the '3 flus' reporting...

[Gerr]

They get excited from 189 deaths? Well they should. But funny that there is not the same excitement about the over 7 million heart attack deaths world-wide every year! Or the half million yearly cancer deaths in the USA alone!

That's epidemic of gargantuan proportion!

[Fausto]

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What I would like to know is, had these people already received the swine flu vaccine? Were their bodies set up for this new pneumonia by vaccination?

NO, vaccinations are a prevention!!

I am afraid I disagree, you should get yourself a copy of the The Vaccination Crisis by Vance Ferrel, it is down-loadable here:

http://www.truthfree4u.co.za/

[Fausto]

Bump...I wanted to post some info here...but the linked sources are not working and that is not good! Let me get it right then I'll post it!

[BSW]

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Maybe if we make a conspiracy out of it.....!

Here's one for you!!

Population Reduction: Globalist Endgame Begins?

On October 30th,”2009 editors of local papers in Kyiv, Ukraine received a flood of phone calls from citizens reporting low flying aircraft spraying an unknown aerosolized substance over L’viv, Ternopil and other cities. On October 27th”the Ukrainian media broke the story that on October 26th”in Ternopil an unknown flu had killed seven people , and that over the past few days about 6 thousand people had sought out medical attention in regards to flu like symptoms. From this first report through to the 9th”of November over 1 million people inside the Ukraine people have contracted some form of flu like illness. This is almost double the number of ‘confirmed’ H1N1 cases worldwide in all other countries. There have also been over 155 deaths reported due to influenza during this time. This outbreak is unprecedented yet it has received minimal coverage in the western media. It just seemed to get lost amidst all of the swine flu coverage, and written off as just more cases of H1N1 before any lab samples had been processed. In the Ukrainian and”Russian media however the outbreak has been treated more seriously and has been referred to as ‘pneumonic plague’. On October 29th”a report came out of Ukraine describing the deaths of 6 young people in the Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast. After the autopsies were performed it was recorded that the cause of death in these individuals was “severe hemorrhagic pneumonia”. Also unconfirmed reports from bloggers in the Western Ukraine that doctors were seeing that this was a new form a flu that killed much faster than the regular H1N1 virus. “Soon Ukrainians started to panic, and the stores emptied of masks and all forms of flu medication. Even onions, garlic, and lemons became scarce in so me cities. As a countermeasure to this outbreak 9 Oblasts (cities) were placed under quarantine by the government. The WHO sent a team of experts to take samples of this new flu and send them back to the Mill Hill lab in London to determine the gene sequences of this flu, and to discover if this was in fact the same Californian/Mexican A/H1N1 virus. “On November 3rd”the WHO announced that the samples had been received at Mill Hill, yet almost a week later there have been no reports issued and no gene sequence data released. If these were typical samples it seems that an announcement would have been made already. “The silence is deafening. It should also be noted that rumors of the doctors being told not to disseminate any information about the new flu cases that would incite any panic, were later confirmed by statements made by the Ukrainian government that police have been told to confiscate hospital reports on patients who have recently contracted the flu.” All things considered, it would not be a surprise if this unidentified virus turned out to be far more serious than the mild A/H1N1 circulating the globe.

Two unconfirmed reports, one in 2002 and one in 2009 by alleged government insiders revealed that at some point that live 1918 Spanish flu would be released on a large scale in the form of a vaccine, for the purpose of mass genocide. The August 2009 report by Joseph Moshe revealed that he was involved with Baxter in a plan to release the 1918 virus in the Ukraine. Not only was it confirmed that he was a microbiologist, his claim was also substantiated by the current Ukrainian outbreak. After a number of deaths in September the Ukrainian government”banned the use of the H1N1 vaccine. This would make it quite difficult to release the 1918 virus as described by Joseph Moshe.” It now seems as though the vaccine ban will be lifted and h1n1 vaccines will be forced on the people of Ukraine. “On November 9th”the”Globe and Mail“published a story that revealed, despite”previous claims“by the Ukrainian Government that they had not authorized the use of aerosolized medication on the public as a response to the outbreak, that they in fact “sprayed the city with the necessary products”.” Was this in fact medication or disinfectant? If so why would the government deny this? “Was the spraying in fact a release of the mystery flu? Was the original intention to release it via the vaccine? Was the aerosol release the plan B after the Ukrainian government banned the use of the vaccine? A blog post from a Lviv resident claimed that his mother who works for the city council received a text message the night of Oct 29th from a colleague warning her to keep her windows closed as something was to be sprayed. The context wasn’t crystal clear. It could have been a warning regarding a street disinfecting procedure as is often done during typhoid outbreaks. The government’s denial is not irrefutable proof of a bio-attack, but it is suspicious.

As reported by SkyWatch Canada on September 15th, the frequency of low flying aircraft with unusual flight patterns have caught the attention of Canadians living in the Nation’s Capital. Is there a chance that Canadians are being acclimated to these types of flight patterns for a future bio-release? In 1994 such an event took place in the town of Oakville, Washington where there were confirmed reports of a clear gel like substance raining form the sky and making residents horribly ill. Readers should also be reminded of the report given on the Power Hour radio show in March 2009, about truckloads of “bird flu” being delivered throughout America to underground missile silos orchestrated by the department of homeland security. Several of those loads were delivered into the back of a military C-130 (an aircraft often equipped with an aerosol dispersal system). Was this multi-million dollar operation conducted for the purpose of spreading the mild and basically insignificant H1N1 demi-flu ? Or has the final phase of the operation yet to occur? Has the event to justify the recent American National Emergency yet to occur? Will the CDC finally make use of their scores of mass graves and plastic caskets? Will the military be deployed to put the country under pandemic lockdown, as we have seen in the Ukraine? Far too much has been put into the H1N1 fiasco for it to amount to a mere outbreak of the common cold. It seems like many pieces of a plan have been put in place. Will the NWO put the people in check? Will the virus ‘Mutate’? Is this the beginning of the Globalist Endgame of population reduction ?

There are reports now coming from Romania, India, Bulgaria, Belarus, Turkey, Norway that the rate on increase of flu is increasing rapidly. In Norway foe example 300,000 residents contacted the flu in a single week. Whatever disease has been released is moving across Europe fast. This bug has spread too widely to be a Ukrainian election scam. Readers should note that just before the outbreak in Ukraine, the government was running pneumonic plague drills. In early November, there were also pneumonic plague drills being run in Illinois. Connect the dots. Notable there have also been reports of heavy supply and personnel movement in and out of known D.U.M.B.s (Deep Underground Military Bases) very recently. According to an unconfirmed report the parking lots of these bases are full and haven’t been this full since just after 911. What is going on? Will this fast moving disease be released in America? Listen for low flying aircraft. Shut your windows at night. Stock up on colloidal silver, antibiotics and high quality vitamins. Please watch the skies!

May Christ have mercy if this is true...

[BSW]

In regards to vaccinations, I would recommend drtenpenny.com and research for yourself whether it is as safe to believe those that tell us we need to believe them to be safe.

[Bravus]

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_16/en/

[BSW]

Soft kills have been around for ever. Eugenicists have and always will be with us. It's up to us to make sure those with this power to destroy our species are not in that position, like Adolf. Since we had, as a species, lived here for minilla we have not had to be forced to take vaccinations. It is right around the corner though, I fear. So it's not a matter of sky of falling, it's more like our liberty falling.

Imagine a world where we no longer have to be vaccinated to go to school. Someone thinks something is fallin'. In power.

[jasd]

>>Stock up on colloidal silver,<<

Indeed, we allocate large amounts of our diminishing assets to insure against this and that... It may behoove us to divert, as well, a small portion to issues that may prove more relative to our future well-being.

H1N1 is proving to be very versatile/adaptable – in that it mutates – rapidly. One might be wise to take preventative measures now, should it prove necessary in the sometime future.

To the above one ought consider purchasing Wild Greek Oregano oil. I’ve used it and found it so efficacious that I recommended it to friends – who were so delighted with its use that they now keep xtra supplies of it on hand. (it is reported to be the Biblically-referenced - hyssop) Further, one might want

to put aside the foodstuff they normally use within a specific period of time – avoiding the necessity of

venturing on errands when self-quarantine may, instead, be advisable. (should that prove unavoidable, a box of N95 face masks from Home Depot might be worthwhile having)

>>antibiotics<<

Purchased from (whilst bearing in mind that antibiotics are efficacious for the prevention or treatment of bacterial infection(s) – rather than viruses) the local Farmer’s Co-op or from a Tropical Fish store, as Doctors are very chary with dispensing prescriptions re antibiotics and such.

>>and high quality vitamins.<<

Especially for the B-complex vites (your Big Box store will have Brewer’s yeast in bulk), concentrated protein powder, and lots of C. It’s been found that under stressful living conditions, a man will need approximately 3500-4000 calories a day. One's diet will require supplementation with large amounts of - fats/oils.

>>Please watch the skies!<<

...am keeping my peepers peeled for the [pseudo] “chariots of the Lord” - appearing in the sky. In the meantime, it may be desirable to keep our peripheral vision acutely aware, as well.

[jasd]

>>sky is falling...sky is falling!<<

Mebbe, however, it is certain that the dollar is falling/failing – a thing Biblically prophesied as in “when your money fails”.

Separate from and regardless of plague - that, of itself, may not be a good thing... [/understatement]

[Guest]

Words of wisdom I think...jasd.

[jasd]

>>I would recommend drtenpenny.com and research for yourself whether it is as safe to believe those that tell us we need to believe them to be safe.<<

I thought I thaw a puddy that...! --Tweety Bird

Wasn’t it a news alert today that 800,000 units of H1N1 vaccinations were ordered recalled – as being umm... defectively “weak”? [/euphemism]

Unfortunately, most of it has already been... injected!

[Fausto]

H1N1 is proving to be very versatile/adaptable – in that it mutates – rapidly. One might be wise to take preventative measures now, should it prove necessary in the sometime future.

[LifeHiscost]

NO, vaccinations are a prevention!!

Trust in God first and then keep your immune system at it's peak is better than vaccinations. I've heard the death rate linked to

vaccinations can be sometimes as much a threat to life as living clean and healthy. (not to mention God's care)

" A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee." Psalm 91:7 KJV

Regards!

[Guest]

Amen Life.

[BSW]

CoAspen

Me thinks you blew gasket...We are not talking about the past, but the present. Vaccinations can be made without heavy metals, but they don't anymore because we "need" so much made. Here is a long but interesting article about the swine flu joke...

http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-scare-its-all-about-the-adjuvant/

Oh and incidentally, it is all about the brain. How to control it, not liberate it.

[Fausto]

CoAspen

Me thinks you blew gasket...We are not talking about the past, but the present. Vaccinations can be made without heavy metals, but they don't anymore because we "need" so much made. Here is a long but interesting article about the swine flu joke...

http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-scare-its-all-about-the-adjuvant/

[Guest]

Amen!!

[LifeHiscost]

Last I checked we were created with a brain and I suppose we can ignore the facts. Each person has that choice...but it doesn't change the facts. You wish to rebut and others, talk to me about polio and small pox to begin with and show proof they did not save more lives than you can count. In case no one has noticed, it's been several thousand years since we had perfect bodies. You may choose to believe living a perfect life will save you from sickness and disease, but it is a false belief.

I've heard lots of things...what in the world would ever make me think its the truth? Your text has nothing to do with subject...oh, wait, lets not confuse reality with 'texting'!

I'm out of here, since I deal with reality everyday and not conjecture...just deeply disappointed that a tiny few keep trying to disparage our wonderful brains and the great advances those brains have been able to discover.

Have some more cancer pts to do exams on tomorrow!

I'm surprise you surrendered, CoAspen. Listening to a program

last night, I heard a former addict to porn say he came from a family which believed the one who won the argument was the one who spoke the loudest.

And from the gist of your post I'm led to believe that he who uses his brain, puts it in gear before trusting in God, then he'll come out with a better, more successful plan. Seems to me the world in general is a result of brainwork without trust in God. And that includes the reason why disease is rampant.

" Unless the LORD builds the house,They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman stays awake in vain. "Psalm 127:2 NKJV

"The wise woman builds her house,But the foolish pulls it down with her hands."Prov 14:2 NKJV

Joy!

And in case you believe I'm just texting, may I hold up Jesus' power to deliver in spite of my imperfect life and body. Seventy five years of life with negligible pain. No chronic pain. Have I used my brain? Yes! It's the reason I still have in my body a healthy appendices. And why I believed the problem of stones that developed in my kidneys was properly taken care of with a $40 natural cure instead of a (not sure of the true figure) a $2000 dollar hospital visit.

Trust in Jesus is why, when my wife and I were in an auto accident, that was potentially fatal as attested by the volunteer firemen and CHP at the scene, we had negligible injuries that would have allowed us to walk home if we hadn't been escorted to the ambulance, just in case we weren't OK.

The caution, great. For it gave a powerful witness to all those who were involved in the 5 vehicle accident, that Jesus saves in the worst of circumstances. My prayer just before the collision that struck 4 of the 5 vehicles was short and sweet, and went like this____"Oh, no Lord."

If I'd have used my brains to a greater degree that particular day, we would have stayed at home because we in the valley saw the snowflakes and knew it would be covered in snow on the ridge above. The still small voice that warned us went unheeded, because we were attempting to keep an appointment for a mammogram.

Do I have a good answer for all those who do suffer many more severe problems than I, or even my wife? Yes!! Trust in God anyway. My wife is one who suffers more severely than I. One day, maybe even before Jesus arrives the second time, she will be delivered from the pain she experiences. In the meantime she trusts in Him first. Then makes effort to endure what she has been unable to change, all the while recognizing that it was by God's grace that she has a faithful husband, who leads her to the throne of grace every day, lest she lose the deep love she has for Him.

All of your brainwork will not deliver those who continue to trust in what man can do. Your battle is not against cancer. It's against the enemy of souls, and whatever your brain develops for deliverance successfully, the prince of darkness has another waiting in the wings to defeat all your well intended efforts.

When you at last look back upon all those you've sacrificed time and effort to save, and you measure the few years of time you've given them as a result of your effort and brainpower, in short, a few more temporary moments of struggle against the powers of darkness, then you'll understand how feeble our best efforts are to deliver from evil, including the cancer that evil brought.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."Ephesians 6:12 KJV

" Praise the LORD!Oh, give thanks to the LORD, for He is good! For His mercy endures forever."

Psalm 106:1 NKJV

Joy!

[Guest]

Thanks for that great testimony Life!

[LifeHiscost]

Thanks for that great testimony Life!

Thank you for the acknowlgement, Richard. As my son would say, it was a God thing.

It is also the work of God that used my brain to place works as a vehicle for Him to grant His grace. By His grace my brain figured out many years ago that pharmaceutical pills are poison and that poison pills used for medical purposes have extremely limited, if any, good long term benefits, and often develop long term adverse side affects. Take it from one who has watched for over 30 years while the one closest to me , suffers from the best intentions of the finest brains humans have to offer.

P.S. The amount of all the pills, other than food supplements,

that I've taken in the last 55 years, would fit into a thimble.

Praise God!!!

I don't want to discount the wonderful services given by dedicated doctors, who have sacrificed even their own families, while giving someone else opportunity for life. Even my own wife's life was saved from death not too many months ago, by a surgeons skillful hands. It's highly ironic that it was a previous doctor who was responsible for placing her life in jeopardy because of a mistake made and an effort to cover the fact.

Life is not always fair. But Jesus is always willing to bring out of unfairness, a more than fair conclusion if we subsequently place our life in His hands.

"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose."Romans 8:28 NKJV

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Romans 5:8 KJV

Joy!