Can we pursue capitalism____

[Robert]

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"Laissez-faire Capitalism" is evil....It's unregulated greed. Those who are power (the rich) screw the little guy over....And when the little guy can't buy his goods then the rich man takes his money in the form of taxes.....Capitalism apparently needs socialism to survive (i.e., Corporate welfare)....Ain't it ironic!?!

Rich men do not set and take taxes. The government does.

And then when they [the rich/Corporate America] get deregulation ("Laissez-faire Capitalism") by buying folks in Washington with Lobbyist, and it all fails they ask for corporate welfare....

[Robert]

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Funny, everyday I go to work I see folks riding the social highway...

And some people see aliens or a man in the moon.

Okay...you can't be intelligent about this....Next!

[bonnie]

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Funny, everyday I go to work I see folks riding the social highway...

And some people see aliens or a man in the moon.

There are some that don't understand the difference between a limited role by government and government control.

Those quite frequently are the ones that want government to provide for their needs.

[Robert]

This makes no sense whatsoever.What is it the little guy can't buy in this country?

When the corporations and Wall-street get deregulation and through greed lose it all they layoff workers.....Laid off workers can't buy things besides the basics....When sales go down the corporations layoff.....But there's hope because they get corporate welfare from the government....

The little guy is getting screwed....

[Robert]

There are some that don't understand the difference between a limited role by government and government control.

When you deregulate (less government control) banking & wall street take big risks with your money because if they lose it all government will help them with socialism (corporate welfare).

Less government ain't necessarily good....How about not paying the police or ambulances....? Not paving the interstates....And on and on....

What about all those who, no fault of their own, can't pay for medical treatment....So they go to the emergency rooms.....Guess who pays? The government....Or do you want these folks to die?

Rob

[bonnie]

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When the corporations and Wall-street get deregulation and through greed lose it all they layoff workers.....Laid off workers can't buy things besides the basics....When sales go down the corporations layoff.....But there's hope because they get corporate welfare from the government....

The little guy is getting screwed....

How interesting. Small businesses employ the greater share of "the little guy" I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% or used to be.

Where is it written that Robert is to determine what is greed and what isn't? Layoffs generally happen as a result of no work.If it is because the "evil rich" have priced themselves out of the market,you should be happy as they won't be around long.

Oh yes,we must always beat on wal-mart. Have you worked for wal-mart? Did they lay you off because of their own greed.

I have never worked for them but have come to know many that do in our area.Within a radius of 25 miles we have 3 wal-mart supercenters,three targets and one k-mart.

Those that I do know that work for them are mighty grateful for the wal-mart stores.Target and K-mart are not the stores people flock to for employment.

Our neighbor works a full time job and weekends at wal-mart.

His only regret is he cannot give up his full time and go to wal-mart instead.

I am sure others could look at the Robert's of this world and resent what they see.

That old green eyed monster is always well and thriving

[Guest]

Amen Bonnie!!

[bonnie]

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When you deregulate (less government control) banking & wall street take big risks with your money because if they lose it all government will help them with socialism (corporate welfare)

Depends on what you mean by corporate welfare.Those that risk it all and employ others,pay more in income tax etc is not corporate welfare.

They are responsible for a large part of the tax burden.Do go the bailout route no,they should have let them fail.

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Less government ain't necessarily good....How about not paying the police or ambulances....? Not paving the interstates....And on and on....

The governments role is protecting citizens from harm. Not directing every avenue of their lives.The infrastructure is another area that government should take care of,WITH OUR MONEY,so I guess we have a right to drive on the roads.

Ambulances are great and those that use them pay for them. I had a very expensive ambulance ride and you Robert did not pay one dime.I know you have tried to equate insurance with socialism but not many would go down that road

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What about all those who, no fault of their own, can't pay for medical treatment....So they go to the emergency rooms.....Guess who pays? The government....Or do you want these folks to die?

Actually that number doesn't have to be that large,but no I am not anxious to have people die.

There aren't to many people I know that would have any objection to a safety net of sorts for those that truly cannot pay.

I would like to see many of them pay,even if it is five dollars a month.

Many people go to the emergency room for reasons that don't even warrant a Dr visit. They should be stopped

[Robert]

Originally Posted By: Robert

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When the corporations and Wall-street get deregulation and through greed lose it all they layoff workers.....Laid off workers can't buy things besides the basics....When sales go down the corporations layoff.....But there's hope because they get corporate welfare from the government....

The little guy is getting screwed....

How interesting. Small businesses ....

Did I mention small businesses? No! They get screwed too....

[Robert]

Layoffs generally happen as a result of no work.

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

Did I mention small businesses? No! They get screwed too....

Small businesses make up the larger portion of the work force.

Not sure what you have been deprived of because of the "evil rich". I have not been.If I cannot afford it,that is my problem.If I can afford it but choose not to pay the highest price,again that is my choice.

I don't have a right to determine what someone feels he needs for a product. I can only decide if I really need it or want to pay the price.

Some do feel they have a right to set standards for others,but often if you look closely enough you find those very same lacking tremendously in their own personal standards

[Robert]

Do [you] go the bailout route no,they should have let them fail.

And we would have had a depression....So socialism came to rescue Capitalism...

[Robert]

WITH OUR MONEY,so I guess we have a right to drive on the roads.

And the guy that can't afford medical insurance...or has been denied...he goes to the emergency room....He has a right too because he paid some taxes also....It's socialism...face it!

[bonnie]

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Why? Why this recession? Corporate America...not the little guy...or the little businesses...it was the banks and wall street due to deregulation that Bush pushed for years....

Are you referring to the 17 times in one year Bush pushed for change. Funny little Barney said "No way,no problem here.

Kind of interesting to hear Clinton say that he and the republicans pushed for change but the democrats would have none of it.

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They get a handout if they fail...listen....They get corporate welfare paid for by the tax payers....If it wasn't for socialistic fundamentals this country would be in a depression....Think it out...careful now, don't hurt yourself...

Not sure what handouts they get if they fail.I am sure most would file bankruptcy.

While it may be true,it would have to come from someone other than yourself.

Those that do not care for a socialist government have usually thought it out quite carefully.

This country was not founded on socialist principals. It is true we are on a not so slow slide towards it but not there yet.

[Robert]

I had a very expensive ambulance ride and you Robert did not pay one dime.

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

I had a very expensive ambulance ride and you Robert did not pay one dime.

I guess you paid totally out of pocket? Well, sorry, everyone doesn't have the same opportunity as you....Let's think Christian and not selfishness for a moment...

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I know you have tried to equate insurance with socialism but not many would go down that road

But it's accurate....Think it out!

I don't have to think out your convoluted ideas of capitalism.

Insurance is not socialism no matter how you want to bend it and twist it.

Unfortunately medicare is.We are not given a choice if we want insurance.

I know you may think it is your duty to determine who is christian and who is selfish but you don't have the God given right to make those decisions

[Robert]

This country was not founded on socialist principals.

Before "Social security" old folks were dying from starvation....That's capitalism....It's based on lucifer's principle of self-seeking and self-love....Pure capitalism has no safety nets...no social programs....

[Robert]

Insurance is not socialism no matter how you want to bend it and twist it.

[Guest]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

Do [you] go the bailout route no,they should have let them fail.

And we would have had a depression....So socialism came to rescue Capitalism...

How would that have caused a depression?

[Guest]

Originally Posted By: Robert

I guess you paid totally out of pocket? Well' date=' sorry, everyone doesn't have the same opportunity as you....Let's think Christian and not selfishness for a moment...

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I know you have tried to equate insurance with socialism but not many would go down that road

But it's accurate....Think it out!

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I don't have to think out your convoluted ideas of capitalism.

Insurance is not socialism no matter how you want to bend it and twist it.

Unfortunately medicare is.We are not given a choice if we want insurance.

I know you may think it is your duty to determine who is christian and who is selfish but you don't have the God given right to make those decisions

I agree...

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

WITH OUR MONEY,so I guess we have a right to drive on the roads.

And the guy that can't afford medical insurance...or has been denied...he goes to the emergency room....He has a right too because he paid some taxes also....It's socialism...face it!

There are not that many that cannot afford insurance. Some can and spend on other non-essentials.

Paying a pittance because of sales tax or whatever does not qualify them as taxpayers.

Yes, I think it is socialism to take my money and give it to you.

There are many of you that want to see that idea expand and then expand some more

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

This country was not founded on socialist principals.

Before "Social security" old folks were dying from starvation....That's capitalism....It's based on lucifer's principle of self-seeking and self-love....Pure capitalism has no safety nets...no social programs....

Again I would like to see the proof of all these old folks dying of starvation before SS.

Maybe you are ignorant of the fact prior to SS common practise was for the old folks to stay with and be cared for by family.

[bonnie]

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I didn't say you weren't Christian, I said you were selfish....I am too, but at least I see Capitalism without restraints as pure iniquity....

Robert has spoken and it has become fact.

You can see capitalism in anyway you choose. I see socialism as

people wanting others to care for them,after all that is their right.Especially if they have more money than some.How dare they and call themselves christian?

[Dr. Shane]

No Shane...way off! Very few actually worship Satan.

When we sin we are worshiping Satan. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All have worshiped Satan.

[there buster]

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Okay...you can't be intelligent about this....Next!

LOL!