Guest Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo That means then that EVERYONE who dies never having heard of the gospel is saved? YES or NO? Those who haven't reach the age that maturity....I believe that.... Quote: "IF you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Yes, for those who hear the gospel a direct response is needed.... Quote: yet you fail to realize how far you have wandered away from the truth! I have wandered away form a bunch of self-deceived, self-righteous legalists who think that they have heaven and no one else does.... What are you trying to say Robert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnattmbtc Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 That he likes you. Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 That's what I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teresaq Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Humanity [plural] died...." [5BC 1113] hmmm, interesting perspective. Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teresaq Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Originally Posted By: pnattmbtc Not everyone who dies before having an opportunity to receive Christ will be saved. If this were the case, it would seem to follow that one should go around killing infants to make sure they'd all be saved. That's stupid! Kill the kids....If that's the case, why have them in the first place....After all you are bringing them into a lost, sinful world....The way I see things now I wouldn't bring a child into the world.... i cant speak for many here but im fairly positive phattmbtc is not your enemy. you two may have quite a bit, belief-wise, in common. perhaps with just a few others here also? as has been pointed out its hard to always know a persons heart on paper. Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnattmbtc Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Originally Posted By: pnattmbtc Not everyone who dies before having an opportunity to receive Christ will be saved. If this were the case, it would seem to follow that one should go around killing infants to make sure they'd all be saved. That's stupid! Kill the kids....If that's the case, why have them in the first place....After all you are bringing them into a lost, sinful world....The way I see things now I wouldn't bring a child into the world.... Why do you think this is stupid? You yourself said (or quote) not long ago, "What does it gain a man to win the whole world and lose his soul"? What greater thing could you do for any person, whether your child or not, than guarantee them eternal life? Quote Christ exalted the character of God, attributing to him the praise, and giving to him the credit, of the whole purpose of his own mission on earth,--to set men right through the revelation of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Originally Posted By: Twilight The point I am making Robert' date=' is that you have enough faith it seems, to accept justification, but not enough to accept the gift of sanctification? Is your God not powerful enough to keep you from sinning? [/quote'] You are not answering my question.... And you did not answer mine... Quote The best wisdom is always second hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted December 31, 2009 Moderators Share Posted December 31, 2009 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo That means then that EVERYONE who dies never having heard of the gospel is saved? YES or NO? Those who haven't reach the age that maturity....I believe that.... If their salvation is assured before maturity, but then becomes uncertain at the age of accountability because they might refuse it, why then do you call Pnat's conclusion stupid to terminate the children to assure them of eternal life since it is a logical extension of your theology? Quote: Quote: "IF you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Yes, for those who hear the gospel a direct response is needed.... The logical conclusion then is NOT to spread the gospel lest someone responds negatively to it!!! Quote: Quote: yet you fail to realize how far you have wandered away from the truth! I have wandered away form a bunch of self-deceived, self-righteous legalists who think that they have heaven and no one else does.... It is a truism that people who take an extreme position will often swing to the opposite extreme when they abandon that error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teresaq Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Originally Posted By: Robert Quote: yet you fail to realize how far you have wandered away from the truth! I have wandered away form a bunch of self-deceived, self-righteous legalists who think that they have heaven and no one else does.... It is a truism that people who take an extreme position will often swing to the opposite extreme when they abandon that error. or, a novel idea, we could accept and deal with the fact that robert has been the victim of extreme spiritual/emotional abuse from the church and this is his way of dealing with it. just a thought. but, robert, it is difficult to know how to respond to some of your posts!! :) Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 What greater thing could you do for any person, whether your child or not, than guarantee them eternal life? By killing them? Again, just don't have them.... Then again women do kill their babies...along with the Doctors....I'm talking about abortion as birth control. I'm glad Christ's doing and dying legally justified them before God's law....They never had a chance to say "yes" because they never could reason....I believe all babies will be in heaven....EGW said she didn't know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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