bonnie Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 Quote: I work for a corporation, just like Bill Gates. I am the one that signs the contracts and change orders with the subcontractors. I am the one that authorizes book-keeping to pay them. I am the one the subcontractors take out to lunch, bring doughnuts and Christmas baskets too. There is little confusion who they work for. I am the boss's boss. Unless you started this company,have bought part of it, at the end of the day you are still playing with someone else's money.Being taken to lunch by a employee is not such abig thing. Especially when you pay for that lunch with someone elses money. Quote: I could easily become a subcontractor if that is what I wanted to do. I have more assets and a better credit rating than many of the subcontractors that work for me now. However that is not what I want. Many of the subcontractors I work with could not get my position if they applied for it. Many other subcontractors get tired of living from feast to famine and give up subcontracting for positions like mine. The American entrepreneur is a very special type of person. I have great respect for them but not envy. If I wanted to be one I would be. I am right where I want to be. That is great,uou still are not the owner no matter how well you like it. Having more assets than a successful sub contractor may be questionable.Credit rating?? If it isn't good you may well close the doors. Quote: Any employee of a corporation can get laid off. Lee Iaccoca was CEO of Ford Motor Company before the Board removed him from the position. Is someone going to say that Lee Iaccoca wasn't an employer? Of course he was. True,that is why I said employer not employee. Pretty tough to layoff the boss and owner of your company. Quote: Business cutting full-time jobs and creating more part-time jobs is a good reason to pass legislation favoring unions. If business start doing that on the massive scale the unions will make a come back. Just ask UPS. The unions are already making a comeback.Haven't you heard the footsie playing between our president and the unions? Time will tell if they can force companies or private businesses to have a work schedule of more than 28 hours a week. When the businesses that are now finding out what the "cost saving" measures of the president will really cost and dump insurance that will be better yet. Obama gets his single payer and the rest of the company gets the hand outs Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Unless you started this company,have bought part of it, at the end of the day you are still playing with someone else's money. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share Posted May 10, 2010 I have bought part of several companies but I am not an employer for them because I do not work for them. I own part of Wal-Mart and part of Microsoft but I do not employ anyone for Wal-Mart or Microsoft. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Is it you they are seeking to do business with or the company you work for? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted May 10, 2010 Author Share Posted May 10, 2010 They want a contract with my signature on it. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 You still have only a hourly wage or salary to lose if the company went bankrupt. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 By choice. I chose to go to college, get a degree and pursuit the position I now hold. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 If I go to MacDonald's and apply for a job it is not the responsibility of the employer to asses my needs and may accordingly. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 In your mind perhaps.It is a bit of a stretch to go from paying daily to providing health care The Bible tells us that we need to consider the needs of the poor worker. At that time in history it meant paying the worker daily. Today it means providing health-care insurance. Same God and same principle. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Quote: Deuteronomy 24:15 "You shall give him his wages on his day before the sun sets, for he is poor and sets his heart on it; so that he will not cry against you to the LORD and it become sin in you. In ancient times the poor cried to get paid daily. The Lord's command was to pay them daily so they would not cry out to Him. How is this applicable today? Should we still pay workers daily? That is what a literal application of this verse would have us do. Well, let's consider what workers cry for today. They cry for health-care coverage. The merciful President Obama has heard their cries. Does the Christian business owner hear those cries? I think so. As I stated, I haven't met Christian businessmen that have taken advantage of their workers. I am sure the only Christians businessmen that do not provide health-care coverage do not because the competitive nature of their business doesn't allow them to. But our compassionate and loving President has changed that. He has leveled the playing field so that Christian employers will not be punished for providing fair compensation to their employees. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karl Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 They cry for health-care coverage. The merciful President Obama has heard their cries. ...But our compassionate and loving President has changed that. All hail the power of Obama's name, let liberals prostrate fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 Quote: Deuteronomy 24:15 "You shall give him his wages on his day before the sun sets, for he is poor and sets his heart on it; so that he will not cry against you to the LORD and it become sin in you. In ancient times the poor cried to get paid daily. The Lord's command was to pay them daily so they would not cry out to Him. How is this applicable today? Should we still pay workers daily? That is what a literal application of this verse would have us do. Well, let's consider what workers cry for today. They cry for health-care coverage. The merciful President Obama has heard their cries. Does the Christian business owner hear those cries? I think so. As I stated, I haven't met Christian businessmen that have taken advantage of their workers. I am sure the only Christians businessmen that do not provide health-care coverage do not because the competitive nature of their business doesn't allow them to. But our compassionate and loving President has changed that. He has leveled the playing field so that Christian employers will not be punished for providing fair compensation to their employees. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 A fair wage has been determined by the government (not Shane) as three times the amount the cost of food to properly eat. Now, the government has also said fair compensation will include health-care insurance. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow. God placed Democrats in power for such a time as this. The do-nothing Republicans had their chance and squandered it. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 A fair wage has been determined by the government (not Shane) as three times the amount the cost of food to properly eat. Now, the government has also said fair compensation will include health-care insurance. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow. God placed Democrats in power for such a time as this. The do-nothing Republicans had their chance and squandered it. Some will always bow the knee to government(Obama).For the government to determine a socialist policy is part of a fair wage is not all that persuasive or impressive. You may feel qualified to speak for God as to placing democrats in power,I don't have that ability. So that leaves me with what I believe was the divine leading of the founding of this country,as well as the setting up of our government.I believe God gave us instruction and warning signs. If what Obama is doing with the path he is trying to take this country down is not a sign of end times it is a good practise run. I know where my allegiance lies and it is not at the feet of Obama.What others do is their decision Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Romans 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 Romans 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God My subjection is to God first,governing authorities only when it does not conflict with God. Supporting, and in Obama's case, adoration, a authority that goes against everything this country was founded on is not something I feel compelled to do. If we were still in business and in view of what Obama wishes to shove down our throat,I would do exactly what my brother did. Shut the doors rather than bow to Obama. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 To understand this verse one must place it in context by remember who was in power when Paul wrote it - pagan Rome. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 To understand this verse one must place it in context by remember who was in power when Paul wrote it - pagan Rome. Sorry Shane,my allegiance is to God first no matter how or what context you believe this verse to be. You obey civil governing authorities until it conflicts with God's law and his instruction. This post does shed some light on our disagreement concerning Obama. Each to their own. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 This verse address the employer's obligation to meet the needs of his poor employees. That establishes a principle. Just like the Bible teaching that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit establishes a principle. Jesus teaching against lust establishes a principle. We can draw from these principles to make a present-day application. Employers should pay fair wages and see that their employees have health-care coverage. We should eat healthy, exercise and get proper sleep. We should avoid pornography and sexually provocative television programs. Actually, the principle is "agreed upon wages" - the basic contract of trust between parties engaged to provide work for pay. There is nothing about "fairness" written into that text except that of what was agreed upon not being given as trusted. This principle was exemplified by Christ in His parable of the landowner with the vineyard (Matthew 20:1-15), where the landowner contracted with the laborers at the beginning of the day for a denarius; each advancing group contracted for "whatever is right". At the end of the day, the last hired were paid first - a full denarius. Those hired at the beginning thought they were going to get more - and thought it unfair that their wages were the same as the last hired. Today's messed-up values would side with the workers, saying the landowner exploited these workers, but Jesus exonerates the landowner: "We made a contract for a denarius. These other, "what is right". In my generosity, I wish to pay these poor men the same contract wage I paid you. It is completely lawful for me to do with my own as I wish" Verse 15 serves up the real root of the issue: covetousness for the landowner's riches God had prospered him with. They were greedy, wanting more than contracted for, and despised the landowner for being generous to the other laborers. There is nothing in the verse that says an employer has to provide everything of life's needs for the employee - especially our notion of healthcare. It simply states the principle that the employer cannot withhold agreed upon wages, for whatever reason - the basic contract for doing business in the role of laborer/employer. It was as common a practice then for employers to try to cheat laborers out of wages as it was for employers to hire knowing they had no funds to pay with. The verse speaks against both, and sets value on the basic agreement of trust. No one is forced to accept terms of hiring; if what is offered is not acceptable, then continue until acceptable terms are found. Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Today's messed-up values would side with the workers, saying the landowner exploited these workers, but Jesus exonerates the landowner: "We made a contract for a denarius. These other, "what is right". In my generosity, I wish to pay these poor men the same contract wage I paid you. It is completely lawful for me to do with my own as I wish" One denarius for a day's work was a fair wage. The vineyard owner was not underpaying the original workers, He was overpaying the other workers. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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