olger Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 a poor woman that they have already beaten severely. This whole story just makes my blood boil. Good thing I don't live over there, I would probably lead a rescue effort and that would be the end of olger. May God intervene and judge these brutal animals and bid the woman "Neither do I condemn you". Serious olger Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted July 9, 2010 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2010 Uhuh. But all those people who received exactly the same treatment, at God's direct command, in OT times, that was not only OK but morally good and right and divine, yeah? Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SivartM Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 That's awful! :( Quote "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde�Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." - Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Uhuh. But all those people who received exactly the same treatment, at God's direct command, in OT times, that was not only OK but morally good and right and divine, yeah? Big difference,they are not God Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted July 9, 2010 Author Share Posted July 9, 2010 Yeah, nice attempt of his to bind our Creator God with Islamic hatred. og out Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 If the Muslims have their way they will bring sharia law to every nation on the planet. Them are not tolerant people like us Adventists. Of course, the wicked papacy has been guilty as just as much evil. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted July 9, 2010 Author Share Posted July 9, 2010 True, Shane. I believe that Islam is a consequence (result) of the Papal power. A daughter, if you will... Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted July 9, 2010 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2010 They fully believe they are doing it in God's name, just like the Israelites. Unbelievable moral relativism from the guardians of absolute morality. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 They fully believe they are doing it in God's name, just like the Israelites. More like the papacy than the Israelites. The Israelites were actually following God around in a pillar of fire. The Muslims are acting just like the papacy did during the Dark Ages. Now that's scary!!! Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted July 9, 2010 Author Share Posted July 9, 2010 They fully believe they are doing it in God's name, just like the Israelites. Unbelievable moral relativism from the guardians of absolute morality. Ehm, David. Moral relativism lies at your door not mine. Let's be clear on that. God is the AUTHOR of morality, man is the author of Auschwitz. g Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted July 9, 2010 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2010 If the exact same action is moral if one person does it and immoral if another person does it, how is that not moral relativism? That's kind of the definition... Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Uhuh. But all those people who received exactly the same treatment, at God's direct command, in OT times, that was not only OK but morally good and right and divine, yeah? In the Dark ages - the argument was of the form -- God will torment the people in hell forever - so the torture we inflict on the heretics trying to get them to turn from error is really "a good thing" since God is so much worse than we are... Turns out that trying to "be God" when it comes to killing others, is not a good thing at all - unless you actually ARE God. in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted July 9, 2010 Author Share Posted July 9, 2010 Your analogy fails to define the authority for the action, thus it becomes mere superficial parallelism. og Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted July 9, 2010 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2010 Nope. The authority for the action is exactly the same: 'God told us to do it'. You are making the (unsupported) assumption that the Muslims of today are delusional in making that statement while the ancient Israelites were correct. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 The ancient Isralites had God dwelling with them in the form of a pillar of fire. God spoke directly to Moses. Muslims do not even make such a similar claim today. Muslims are acting on the same authority as the papacy - tradition and their sacred writings. Muslims are not claiming to have a living prophet communicating directly with the living God. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 That's true.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted July 9, 2010 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2010 So then their authority is merely at exactly the same level as we have for every Christian rule of faith and practice? Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Can we assume then that you have done all those things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted July 9, 2010 Members Share Posted July 9, 2010 I guess the Muslims are just doing what their beliefs dictate they need to do. I wonder if they enjoy it or if anyone feels badly about *having* to do it... I would think there would be *someone* who didn't like it. Quote Pam      Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted July 9, 2010 Moderators Share Posted July 9, 2010 Looks like you can save your incense: http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/po...rerapos/3703682 (via Alyssa Milano (!) on Twitter) Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted July 9, 2010 Author Share Posted July 9, 2010 Excellent !! g (PS. Jeremy McGrath told me that Alyssa is a chain smoking diva ;) ) Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 So then their authority is merely at exactly the same level as we have for every Christian rule of faith and practice? Yes, that is exactly right. That is also what our concept of religious liberty is all about. As Christians we believe in the Bible. As Protestants, we believe in Sola Scriptura. We have the right to share our religion with others in an attempt to win their hearts but we have no right to force our religion on others in a way that would compel compliance. Are there exceptions? A civil government is established to protect the rights of all. Some may say that passing a law that bans murder is a religious law since it is making one of the Ten Commandments civil law. However the ban on murder is simply protecting the civil rights of potential murder victims and falls into the realm of the civil government. Does a ban on adultery fall into the realm of the civil government? I suppose it could fall under the protection of public health. Is the death decree the correct punishment for it? If that penalty is arrived at by a democratic process so that it reflects the will of the majority of the population, I guess it would be appropriate. However that is not what we see happening in Iran. We see the church controlling the state and dictating what crimes and punishments are to be. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I wonder if they enjoy it or if anyone feels badly about *having* to do it... Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronicle Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Crazy how all muslims are judged on the actions of a very small minority. Just imagine what the world would be like if just 1% of all muslims engaged in some violent act. Life would have been a lot more intolerable. Considering that there are one billion muslims in the world it is obvious that the overwhelming majority of muslims are peace loving so I don't know what this angled slap against muslims is all about ? As an Adventist Christian I have no issue with the muslim and consider them as fellow human beings loved by God and in need of grace just like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators antcreations Posted July 10, 2010 Moderators Share Posted July 10, 2010 AMEN! The most healing healing words I have read in this thread. Thank you. Allahu A'alam. Crazy how all muslims are judged on the actions of a very small minority. Just imagine what the world would be like if just 1% of all muslims engaged in some violent act. Life would have been a lot more intolerable. Considering that there are one billion muslims in the world it is obvious that the overwhelming majority of muslims are peace loving so I don't know what this angled slap against muslims is all about ? As an Adventist Christian I have no issue with the muslim and consider them as fellow human beings loved by God and in need of grace just like me. Quote http://antcreations.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/antcreations/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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