Stan Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 -- Supreme Court upholds Westboro Baptist Church's right to stage anti-gay protests at funerals of U.S. troops. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted March 2, 2011 Moderators Share Posted March 2, 2011 Yes. It's a strong support of the First Amendment. Even though the "speech" which is being protected here is offensive to many people, the Supremes still ruled [8-1 I think] in favor of their First Amendment rights. Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Yes Jeannie. And as much as we would dislike it ... it was the right thing to do. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dottie Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I had always thought if a group was to have a demonstration, that they first had to procure a permit. Guess I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug yowell Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Yes Jeannie. And as much as we would dislike it ... it was the right thing to do.I'm not totally convinced. Judge Alito asserts that the court has just extended the right of freedom of speech to include the right to intentionally inflict pain and suffering on another human being. This Westboro group is perhaps the most despicable group of people in the country. They invite the judgments of God on themselves rather than on their intended victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Woody Yes Jeannie. And as much as we would dislike it ... it was the right thing to do. I'm not totally convinced. Judge Alito asserts that the court has just extended the right of freedom of speech to include the right to intentionally inflict pain and suffering on another human being. This Westboro group is perhaps the most despicable group of people in the country. They invite the judgments of God on themselves rather than on their intended victims. I agree with you. But I would not want you or any of your friends to decide what speech is inflicting pain and what speech is not. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Westboro is a dweeb. g Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 I think it was a good decision for freedom of speech. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted March 3, 2011 Administrators Share Posted March 3, 2011 I had always thought if a group was to have a demonstration, that they first had to procure a permit. Guess I am wrong. It is my understanding that the Westboro bunch do carefully comply with any local regulations placed on demonstrations, including obtaining permits. In the instant case local law enforcement restricting how close they could be to the actual funeral. They remained at that distance on public property, which was at least 1000 feet. Mr. Snyder (the father of the dead soldier) said he could only see the tops of the signs while driving to the funeral and really did not know what it was all about until he saw it on the news later. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted March 3, 2011 Administrators Share Posted March 3, 2011 Yes. It's a strong support of the First Amendment. Even though the "speech" which is being protected here is offensive to many people, the Supremes still ruled [8-1 I think] in favor of their First Amendment rights. An 8-1 decision on this helps restore my confidence in the Supreme Court. If our right to free speech is erroded, all of our freedoms begin to crumble. It is the foundation of a free press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, political freedom, etc. The irony is that soldier died in defense of our freedoms, including the right of the Westboro Baptist bunch to freely express their views without govermental interference. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug yowell Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Dottie I had always thought if a group was to have a demonstration, that they first had to procure a permit. Guess I am wrong. It is my understanding that the Westboro bunch do carefully comply with any local regulations placed on demonstrations, including obtaining permits. In the instant case local law enforcement restricting how close they could be to the actual funeral. They remained at that distance on public property, which was at least 1000 feet. Mr. Snyder (the father of the dead soldier) said he could only see the tops of the signs while driving to the funeral and really did not know what it was all about until he saw it on the news later. If these are the accurate facts then I concur with the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted March 3, 2011 Moderators Share Posted March 3, 2011 Here's a good article about the ruling in this case. It's obvious from this article that the demonstrators did obtain a permit and did comply with all local laws before they marched. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...titution/71949/ Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators james423 Posted March 5, 2011 Moderators Share Posted March 5, 2011 Very good article. Quote James Brenneman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug yowell Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Here's a good article about the ruling in this case. It's obvious from this article that the demonstrators did obtain a permit and did comply with all local laws before they marched. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...titution/71949/ Thanks Jeannie, very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 8, 2011 Moderators Share Posted March 8, 2011 Tom, Do you think they would have made the same decision if it were members of the Westboro Mosque who were having these demonstrations? I tend to doubt it. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 interesting thought Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted March 8, 2011 Members Share Posted March 8, 2011 Here's a link to what Shawn Boonstra had to say on this subject http://www.adventistreview.org/article.php?id=4217 Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 9, 2011 Moderators Share Posted March 9, 2011 interesting thought It seems to me that its the speaker rather than the speech that determines how free the speech is allowed to be. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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