Parade Orange Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Music: - Little Richard - pop singer - Prince - pop singer (former SDA; now JW) - Brian McKnight - R&B singer, songwriter (raised SDA) - Salt - from rap group "Salt N Pepa" (convert to SDA) - Charmaine - singer for Rebecca St James - Kirk Franklin - Gospel music musician (lapsed) - Joyce Bryant - jazz/blues singer famous during 1940s and 1950s - Hugh Martin - Oscar-nominated and Tony-nominated songwriter; MGM musical Meet Me In St. Louis (1944); Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas; etc. - Take 6 - Gospel music group comprised of SDAs (Alvin Chea, bass; Cedric Dent, baritone; Joey Kibble, second tenor; Mark Kibble, first tenor; Claude V. McKnight III, first tenor; David Thomas, second tenor) - Virtue - female Gospel music group comprised of SDAs (Karima Kibble, Ebony Trotter, Heather Trotter and previously Negelle Sumpter: all attende Oakwood College) - Jerome Fontamillas - guitarist, keyboard player for the popular rock band Switchfoot -Parade Orange- a.k.a Gay4Jesus ..plays the whistle (very well I might add) - Rickey Smith - singer; finalist on popular TV show American Idol (2nd season) - Joe Lutcher - band leader in 1940s and '50s; SDA convert; was major force in conversion of Little Richard to Seventh-day Adventism - Sovory - Allen Sovory is the singer/songwriter of many songs in movies, including The Fan; Jason's Lyric; Blue Crush; The Sixth Man; American Wedding; backup singer for Lenny Kravitz; solo CD released in 1996 (son of SDA minister) - Ivor Myers - rap singer who, with his groupm, the Boogiemonsters, converted to SDA; now SDA paster and religious TV show host - Mervyn Warren Jr. - a founding member Take 6; also a solo artist; scored several major motion picure soundtracks; has written/produced music for Bette Midler, Boys II Men, Chicago and other major artists - Jaci Velasquez - Christian contemporary singer; appeared in the movie Aye Papi - John Stoddart - successful composer, song writer who has worked with major popular music artist (this is not the similarly-named famous photographer) Film, Television, Radio: - Mark Brown - African-American screenwriter, director, and producer known for such films as Barbershop (2002), Two Can Play That Game, and How To Be A Player - Philip Michael Thomas - actor best for starring as "Rico Tubbs" on the 1980s TV series Miami Vice - Clifton Davis - actor; star of TV series "That's My Mama" (1984), "Amen" (1986); star of "The Painting" (2001), more; also an ordained SDA pastor - Darwood Kaye - actor, best known as "Waldo" in Little Rascals film serials and TV series (SDA convert and pastor, using birth name "Ken Smith") - Chi McBride - actor, Boston Public TV series, etc. (raised SDA) - Greg Mathis - famous no-nonsense TV judge, star of syndicated TV series "The Judge Greg Mathis Show" (lapsed) - Terry Benedict - filmmaker; second unit 1st A.D. for "Terminator"; producer/director of "The Conscientious Objector" (about fellow SDA Desmond Doss) - Paul Johnson - owner of a Christian music publishing company; first husband of TV personality Kathie Lee Gifford Journalism: - Joan Lunden - network broadcast journalist (raised SDA) - Paul Harvey - nationally famous radio broadcaster (convert) Sports: - Magic Johnson - professional basketball player - Archie Moore - heavy weight boxing champion (convert) Literature: - Art Buchwald - Pulitzer Prize-winning commentator and author (raised SDA) - Richard Wright - one of first African-American writers to achieve literary fame (raised SDA) - Arna Bontemps - important Harlem Renaissance writer, poet - Rene Noorbergen - author of religious books, books about prophecy, incl.: Secrets of the Lost Races: New Discoveries of Advanced Technology in Ancient Civilizations; Ellen G. White, Prophet of Destiny; Jeane Dixon: My Life and Prophecies; The Ark File; Charisma of the Spirit: In Search of a Supernatural Experience: A Journalist Looks at the Tongues Movement; Nostradamus Predicts the End of the World; The Soul Hustlers; The Death Cry of an Eagle: The Rise and Fall of Christian Values in the United States; A.D. 2000: A Book About the End of Time; Invitation to a Holocaust: Nostradamus Forecasts World War III; Shadow of Terror; Noah's Ark Found: The End of the Search; You Are Psychic: The Incredible Story of David N. Bubar Art: - Harry Anderson - American painter, illustrator. - Rachel Roy - fashion designer; married to hip hop Rocafella Records exec Damon Dash (raised SDA) Activism: - Sojourner Truth - abolitionist, black activist - Paul Rusesabagina - hotel manager who saved hundreds from genocide in Rwanda; portrayed by Don Cheadle in Oscar-nominated role in movie "Hotel Rwanda" (2004) - Malcolm X - influential African-American leader; led Black Muslim movement and Nation of Islam (raised SDA) Health and Medicine: - John Harvey Kellogg - influential doctor who studied health, developed exercise machines, marketed granola; John Kellogg hired his younger brother W.K. Kellogg, who invented breakfast cereal based on John's ideas and founded cereal company (later excommunicated) - Desmond Doss - medic and conscientious objector who became a war hero; only Congressional Medal of Honor recipient who never used used weapons - Ben Carson - accomplished neurosurgeon; first to successfully separate Siamese twins joined at head - Dr. Leonard Bailey - pioneering surgeon - William S. Sadler - (1875-1969) prominent physician, surgeon, psychiatrist, professor, and author of 42 books; key Urantia figure (former SDA) - Milton Brown - Assistant Professor in Chemistry and Research Assistant Professor in Neurology, University of Virginia - Shirley Mason - most famous psychiatric patient in history (multiple-personality disorder); portrayed in 1973 best-selling book Sybil and a 1976 TV movie Politics: - Jerry Lyle Pettis - (1916-1975) U.S. Representative from California, 1967-1975 (33rd District 1967-1975, 37th District 1975) - Roscoe Gardner Bartlett - (1926- ) U.S. Representative from Maryland 6th District, 1993-. - Robert Lee 'Bob' Stump - (1927- ) U.S. Representative from Arizona 3rd District, 1977-. - Sheila Jackson Lee - controversial U.S. Representative from Houston's 18th District (Texas), Democrat (1995-) - John Street - mayor of Philadelphia - Don Chairez - district judge; unsuccessful Republican candidate for U.S. Representatve from Nevada in 1998 Religious Leaders: - Ellen White - co-founder and early prophetess of the Seventh-day Adventists - Joseph Bates - sailor, sea captain, and a co-founder of Seventh-day Adventist Church - Admiral Barry Black - became the Senate Chaplain for the U.S. Senate in August 2003; first African-American and first SDA to hold this position - Wintley Phipps - SDA pastor, singer; founder of the U.S. Dream Academy; multiple Grammy nominations; author of The Power of A Dream (1996) - John Osborne - controversial SDA minister, criminal, hate-monger, and eventually repentant televangelist and author - Victor Houteff - founder of the Davidian Seventh Day Adventists, an SDA splinter group (1942-1961) - David Koresh - former SDA who became Branch Davidian leader Controversy: - Elizaphan Ntakirutimana - chief SDA pastor of Rwanda who, along with his son Gerard, was one of the leaders of the genocide of Tutsis in Rwanda - Gerard Ntakirutimana - medical doctor and Seventh-day Adventist who was one of the leaders of the genocide of Tutsis in Rwanda - Lee Boyd Malvo - younger member of the "Beltway Sniper" duo that terrorized the Washington D.C. area in 2002 (former SDA; converted to Islam before he became a serial killer) - Marcus Wesson - mass murderer who killed 9 family members in Fresno, California in March 2004 - Robert L. Yates, Jr. - most prolific serial killer in Washington state history - Dayton Leroy Rogers - the "Molalla Forest Killer"; serial killer convicted of killing six women - George Speight - leader of an indigenous uprising and non-violent coup attempt in Fiji, year 2000 - Kenneth Bianchi - "Hillside Strangler" serial killer (converted to SDA while in prison after his crimes) Other: - Eva Dykes - pioneering African-American female scholar, who broke through barriers by earning a Doctorate degree - Michael Chamberlain and Lindy Chamberlain - SDA pastor and his devout SDA wife who were wrongly accused of murdering their baby Azaria after a dingo snatched and killed her. Strong religious prejudice in their community helped lead to a wrongful conviction in what became one of Australia's most famous crime cases: the Dingo Trial of 1981-82. Elaine Hudson and John Hamblin starred as the couple in the 1983 TV movie "Who Killed Baby Azaria?" Miranda Otto and Craig McLachlan played the couple in the 2004 miniseries "Through My Eyes." Meryl Streep and Sam Neill starred as the couple in the 1988 movie "A Cry in the Dark." In addition to the individuals listed above, some people who known within the SDA community, specifically because of their missionary efforts or other contributions to Seventh-day Adventism, include Hudson Taylor, John Tay (Pitcairn), Elsa Luukkanen (Finland), Luther Warren and Henry Fenner (SDA youth organization), Charles and Mary Andrews (student missionaries), -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other names that have been submitted by readers of this website, but which we have not finished doing additional research and verification for: Dawnn Lewis - actress Malik Taylor ("Phife") - rap singer; group: Tribe Called Quest (lapsed) John Davis - rap singer; group: Tribe Called Quest (converted to Islam) Kim Fields - actress, "Facts of Life", "Living Single" (lapsed) John Leguizamo - actor Chilli - from pop group A.C. Green - former Phoenix Suns basketball player Clarence Thomas - U.S. Supreme Court justice Bernie Casey - professional football player who became a film actor Jonathan Slocumb - comedian best known for his frequent appearances on The Steve Harvey Show Fred Hammond - musician Lola Falana - singer, dancer, actress Fred "Rerun" Berry - actor Al Jarreau - singer Busta Rhymes - rapper Dick Rutan - pilot Muhammad Ali (when he was still Cassius Clay) - boxer Roy Rogers - actor Dale Evans - actress Alan Wiggins - noted Major League Baseball Player with the San Diego Padres and Baltimore Orioles. Was a member of the Padres 1984 World Series Team. Still holds Padre's single-season stolen base record with 70 steals (reportedly raised SDA) Gene Conley - dual-sports figure of the 1950s. Played simultaneously with both the Boston Red Soxs as a Pitcher, and Basketball for the Boston Celtics Oliver Nelson - noted African-American Jazz, Film, and TV composer. Wrote theme for TV's Six Million Dollar Man Dr. Frank Jobe - acclaimed sports surgeon with the Los Angeles Dodgers, and most noted for his "Tommy John Surgery" which has saved the careers of numerous athletes Rod Perry - actor best known for his major supporting role as "Sergeant David 'Deacon' Kay" on the TV series "S.W.A.T." (1975-1976) Jonathan Jackson - actor, singer with band Enation Musical Groups: Isley Brothers, and Black Sabbath -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interviews with Seventh-day Adventists, published in Dialogue College and University Dialogue is a publication of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. According to the publication's official webpage, it is "an international journal of faith, thought, and action published by the Committee on Adventist Ministry to College and University Students (AMiCUS) in cooperation with the 13 world divisions of the Seventh-day Adventist Church." This journal regularly publishes brief interviews with Seventh-day Adventists. An index to these interviews, ranging in time from 1994 through 2003, can be found here: http://dialogue.adventist.org/indexes/profiles.htm The individuals interviewed in this Dialogue series are listed below, along with descriptions of who they are as taken from the article title. Although none of these individuals are "famous" in the sense that they are well known by the general public, they are all accomplished Seventh-day Adventists. Milton S. Afonso: Philanthropist in Brazil Verna Alva: Psychiatrist in Peru Mario H. Ochoa: Executive Vice President of ADRA International Nathan Greene: Illustrator Ljiljana (Lilo) Ljubisic: world-class athlete Sir James Carlisle: Governor General of Antigua and Barbuda Barry C. Black: chaplain in the U.S. Navy Leona Glidden Running: linguist and scholar Eardell Jenner Rashford: judge in New York City Carlos Puyol Buil: Spanish pastor, scholar, and administrator Ruy Vieira: creationist in Brazil Grace Adeoye: university lecturer and researcher from Nigeria Manuel Escorcio: South African international singer Jon Johanson: record-breaking aviator from Australia Linda Hyder Ferry: physician Barbara Reynolds: Education Program Officer at UNICEF Ben Carson: pediatric neurosurgeon Grace Emori: Epidemiologist Birgid Faber: Orthodontist in Germany Raymond Romand: neurobiologist in France Harrington Fitz Henry: engineer-evangelist in Jamaica Ethel Nelson: pathologist and writer Lars Justinen: illustrator and artist Ghanem Fargo: businessman in Iraq Beverly Wesner-Hoehn: musician Gloria Diokno: university lecturer and researcher from the Philippines Floyd Murdoch: birdwatcher Phil MacKay: painter of wildlife in Australia Sientje Mewengkang: congresswoman in Indonesia Michael A. Comberiate: rocket scientist Mary Grace Gellekanao: unique concert pianist Alois Kinder: businessman in Austria John Ap: urban and tourism planner Gwendolyn Winston Foster: Philadelphia's Health and Fitness Czar David Pendleton: in the Hawaii House of Representatives Kay Kuzma: an Adventist with a passion for family values Ebenezer Chambi: physician, health educator, and community leader Phetsile Kholekile Dlamini: Swaziland Minister for Health and Social Welfare Elfred Lee: Artist in Mexico Alexei Sergeev: Art Historian in Russia Mario Veloso: poet from Chile Heber Pintos: illustrator from Uruguay Marilyn C. Savedra: nurse educator and researcher Nery Cruz: artist in Puerto Rico Mary Atieno Ang'awa: judge in Kenya's High Court Elizabeth Ostring: family physician in New Zealand Rachel Nyirabu: Wife of Tanzania's Ambassador to the U.S.A Marilyn Fargo: specialist in conciliation Bertha Saveniers: sculptor in Belgium Francisco de Araujo: conductor, producer, and artistic director Virginia-Gene Rittenhouse: musician with an up-tempo vision for Adventist education Victor Issa: sculptor James Graves: Supreme Court judge in Mississippi Ingrid Klamberg: Sex Counselor in Sweden Siriporn Tantipoonwinai: educational leader in Thailand Kim Gangte: member of parliament in India Joan Coggin: international health-care ambassador Pik-Yee Kan: family physician in Singapore Yoshinori Namihira: optical fiber research engineer in Japan Maria Lee: hotel manager in China See also: - Mark Wahlberg - despite rumors, apparently he is not a Seventh-day Adventist Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted October 22, 2011 Members Share Posted October 22, 2011 PO, my brother has met Dr. Carson. They met at a High School concert in Maryland. I think it was a state wide orchesta(sp). One of his children and one of my brothers were in it. So during the break my brother introdused himself. I believe he also met Dr. Carson wife. Also I had not heard that Magic Johnson was a SDA, but that his grandmother that raised him was or is. Not sure if she's still alive or not. Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 22, 2011 Administrators Share Posted October 22, 2011 Ben is a member of my home church. His wife, Candy, and their sons are accomplished musicians. Wonderful family! He and Candy and I are long time members of the same Sabbath School class and he and I have been teachers of that class. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted October 22, 2011 Members Share Posted October 22, 2011 Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockey Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 That is pretty cool. I was just about to ask if he's come out with a new book since "Think Big", and just checked Amazon and there is one called "Take The Risk". Apparently he asks four questions regarding risk: "What's the best thing that can happen if I do this? What's the worst thing that can happen if I do this? What's the best thing that can happen if I don't do it? What's the worst thing that can happen if I don't do it?" Going to check it out. Interesting list PO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 - Richard Wright - one of first African-American writers to achieve literary fame (raised SDA) He lived with his SDA grandparents for a time. It was a terrible experience for him because his grandmother in particular was a stict SDA, and by this time Richard Wright was a teenager. His online biography puts it this way: Quote: Around 1920 Ella Wright became a paralytic, and the family moved from Natchez to Jackson, then to Elaine, Arkansas, and back to Jackson to live with Wright's maternal grandparents, who were restrictive Seventh-day Adventists. He incorporates this aspect of his life in his autobiographical novel, Black Boy. At the time he wrote the book, Wright was an atheist and communist. He became a French citizen and anti-American. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 - Malcolm X - influential African-American leader; led Black Muslim movement and Nation of Islam (raised SDA) I would like to see the evidence for this. Did Malcolm X ever write about it or say anything about it in public or in private? Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 - Sojourner Truth - abolitionist, black activist As far as I've been able to determine, Sojourner Truth was never a member of the SDA church, although she did occasionally attend an SDA church. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 - Michael Chamberlain and Lindy Chamberlain - SDA pastor and his devout SDA wife who were wrongly accused of murdering their baby Azaria after a dingo snatched and killed her. Strong religious prejudice in their community helped lead to a wrongful conviction in what became one of Australia's most famous crime cases: the Dingo Trial of 1981-82. ....Meryl Streep and Sam Neill starred as the couple in the 1988 movie "A Cry in the Dark." Meryl Streep said in an interview that her favorite role was in "A Cry in the Dark." Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Also I had not heard that Magic Johnson was a SDA, but that his grandmother that raised him was or is. Not sure if she's still alive or not. Magic Johnson's Mom is an Adventist. His Dad belongs to the Church of Christ church denomination. Magic had an autobiography published in the 90s, just after the Waco/David Koresh tragedy. As a result, it seemed to me that he specifically disassociated himself with the Adventist church, in the book. He wrote that he belongs to his Dad's church denomination. One of his sisters is adventist also. She attended Oakwood. One of the Elders at a local church here in Houston became friends with the sister, and as a result got to know the family. As a result of this connection the Elder persuaded Magic Johnson's Mom and her sister, his Aunt to come to our church. Ms Johnson, the Mom, brought the 11 o clock sermon one sabbath. The sermon was her testimony about the ups and downs of raising her 10 children, which included her famous son Magic Johnson. The Aunt graduated from Loma Linda Medial School and is, or was a missionary Doctor for the church. Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: Parade Orange - Richard Wright - one of first African-American writers to achieve literary fame (raised SDA) He lived with his SDA grandparents for a time. It was a terrible experience for him because his grandmother in particular was a stict SDA, and by this time Richard Wright was a teenager. His online biography puts it this way: Quote: Around 1920 Ella Wright became a paralytic, and the family moved from Natchez to Jackson, then to Elaine, Arkansas, and back to Jackson to live with Wright's maternal grandparents, who were restrictive Seventh-day Adventists. He incorporates this aspect of his life in his autobiographical novel, Black Boy. At the time he wrote the book, Wright was an atheist and communist. He became a French citizen and anti-American. I read Black Boy. What you say is true. I need to read it again. The adventist church treated him a lot better than the communist party. Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 - Robert Lee 'Bob' Stump - (1927- ) U.S. Representative from Arizona 3rd District, 1977-. The brother of my uncle, Bob Stump died from cancer about 6 years ago. He was the longest serving congressman in Arizona history. He very rarely had an opponent. Both parties liked him, something that almost never happens. He began as a Democrat but changed to Republican. During President Clinton's trial in Congress, Bob Stump announced the death of Bob Hope, but it turned out it was the wrong Bob Hope. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted October 22, 2011 Members Share Posted October 22, 2011 Magic Johnson's Mom is an Adventist. His Dad belongs to the Church of Christ church denomination. Magic had an autobiography published in the 90s, just after the Waco/David Koresh tragedy. As a result, it seemed to me that he specifically disassociated himself with the Adventist church, in the book. He wrote that he belongs to his Dad's church denomination. One of his sisters is adventist also. She attended Oakwood. One of the Elders at a local church here in Houston became friends with the sister, and as a result got to know the family. As a result of this connection the Elder persuaded Magic Johnson's Mom and her sister, his Aunt to come to our church. Ms Johnson, the Mom, brought the 11 o clock sermon one sabbath. The sermon was her testimony about the ups and downs of raising her 10 children, which included her famous son Magic Johnson. The Aunt graduated from Loma Linda Medial School and is, or was a missionary Doctor for the church. Thanks for that info Kountzer. That makes sense. We hear all this other info, some here and some there and try to put it all together. Its good to get a big piece to connect things. Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Originally Posted By: Parade Orange - Malcolm X - influential African-American leader; led Black Muslim movement and Nation of Islam (raised SDA) I would like to see the evidence for this. Did Malcolm X ever write about it or say anything about it in public or in private? In the well known Autobiography of Malcolm X, Malcom talks about his Mom becoming a seventh day adventist. It has been noted by others who have read the book that the sda church is the only institution that Malcolm spoke positively about. Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 The adventist church treated him a lot better than the communist party. You're right. His experience with the communists led to his writing of the book, The god that Failed. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 In the well known Autobiography of Malcolm X, Malcom talks about his Mom becoming a seventh day adventist. It has been noted by others who have read the book that the sda church is the only institution that Malcolm spoke positively about. Thanks for that. Does he say how old he was at the time his mother became SDA? I wonder if she was SDA the rest of her life. I have the Autobiography but haven't read all of it yet. I would be curious to know how well he knew SDA beliefs and the history of the church. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 Music: - Little Richard - pop singer He studied at Oakwood (SDA) College for the ministry. Lives in Riverside, CA, with his mother. A friend of mine who teaches at an SDA school in Riverside invited Little Richard to give a talk to the students in Chapel. My friend said that Little Richard was completely different from the persona he projects in public. He refused to sing and wouldn't talk about his life in rock 'n' roll. Little Richard often gives out the book, Steps To Christ, to the young people who come to hear him sing. During the late 1950s and again in the early 1990s, Little Richard gave up Rock n Roll and spoke out against it during evangelistic campaigns and in visits to Adventist schools. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 22, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2011 Clarence Thomas - U.S. Supreme Court justice He testified before the Senate that he was brought up and educated as a Roman Catholic. The wikipedia confirms this: Quote: He was raised Roman Catholic. (He later attended an Episcopal church with his first wife but returned to the Catholic Church in the late 1990s.) He considered entering the priesthood at the age of 16, and became the first black student to attend St. John Vianney's Minor Seminary (Savannah) on the Isle of Hope. He also briefly attended Conception Seminary College, a Roman Catholic seminary in Missouri. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 23, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2011 Muhammad Ali (when he was still Cassius Clay) - boxer Wikipedia: Quote: Although Cassius Sr. was a Methodist, he allowed Odessa to bring up both Cassius and his elder brother Rudolph "Rudy" Clay (later renamed Rahman Ali) as Baptists. See page 14 of biography of Muhammad Ali by Hauser (2004). Hauser, Thomas (2004-10-21). Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times. Robson Books. ISBN 978-1-86105-738-9. OCLC 56645513. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 23, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2011 - Robert L. Yates, Jr. - most prolific serial killer in Washington state history Yates' background and confession to the jury: Quote: A middle-aged father of 5, Robert L. Yates Jr., a decorated military helicopter pilot, and National Guardsman was convicted of 15 murders but suspected of as many as 18. The most prolific serial killer ever sentenced in Washington state, he now sits on death row. He came from a solid, loving home with encouraging Support, a moral upbringing and Christian teaching from the time he could walk. He was an obedient child, a dedicated student, and a team player on the Oak Harbor High School football team... Washington state prosecutors suspect Yates is responsible for the slayings of as many as 18 women, many with a history of drug abuse and prostitution. Victims were shot in the head. The first body was found Feb. 22, 1990, and the killings continued for a decade... Recently, Yates Sr. said, his son has returned to his Seventh-day Adventist faith. "He fell away from God," the father said. "He went to the depths. But he's come back, and I really feel it's sincere." Crying, he continued, "I love him so much, and I've told him a good many times. I abhor what he's done, but I love him just the same." ..."I do believe you have remorse and a sense of sorrow and loss," [Judge] McCarthy quietly told Yates [after Yates read his statement of contrition]. "I hope your conversion to religion is indeed sincere. Only you and God can confirm the validity of that." Yates' family says he is at peace with the decision, his attorney, Roger Hunko, said Yates will fight execution. Not doing so would be akin to suicide, which under Yates' Christian faith would be an unforgivable sin, Hunko said. The full text of Robert Yates' statement to jury, from: Kari Sable Burns, "Serial Killer Robert L. Yates, Jr.: Spokane, Washington" on KariSable.com (http://www.karisable.com/skazyates.htm; viewed 20 July 2005): I prepared this statement so that I might leave nothing in my heart that needs to be said. To all my victims' families, to my family and to the people in the community, to the families of Melinda Mercer and Connie LaFontanie Ellis, I know you are suffering great anguish. I find no words to comfort you, to explain, justify or soften all the evil, pain, separation and death that I've caused. Some things are inexpressible and inexplicable in terms of human language. The world is a frightening place, and I've made it more so for many. I've caused so much pain and devastation. Hundreds of people are hurting and grieving because of my acts. I let sin enter my life. I let it grow and mature until it wrought its direct consequence: death. The wages of sin bring death. Sin and wrongdoing may start small but if left unchecked, they grow into something ugly. I believe that (unintelligible), in and of itself, sin blinds us. It blinded me. Within myself I've had no power to defeat this full-blown sinful nature. There were times -- long periods -- when in between my horrific crimes, there were periods of relative calm. Nothing evil happened. But that sinful nature, which wrought so much recent violence, never really left. Scripture says the heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure; who can understand? Our hearts can be deceitful beyond our own understanding, and surely mine was. I couldn't rid myself of this sinful nature. Somewhere, through all this devastation, God was knocking on the door of my heart, but I wouldn't let him in. I thought to myself, how could a God love or hear anything that was not clean. I thought I wasn't good enough to even speak to God, and if He wouldn't listen to me, then who would? My guilt was like a disease eating away at my soul. I couldn't share that with anyone else. Sin and guilt gnaws at our mind and causes acid to build up in our stomachs. We've all had guilt at some times in our lives. My sin and my guilt was overwhelming. It became hard to live with myself. Few men have ever felt the guilt I have from all the horror I've brought into your lives. I tried to cleanse myself from that guilt through denial. That only resulted in making things worse. I lived a double life. I stayed in denial -- denial of my needs, denial that someone, somewhere could help me. Through my denial, because I couldn't face the truth, I thought I could be self-correcting, that if I kept it all to myself, someday it would all go away. That's denial. By my denial, I blinded myself to the truth -- the truth that no one is so alone in this world as a denier of God. But that was me, alone and in denial. Even after my arrest in Spokane in April of 2000, for a couple of weeks I persisted. I remained in denial. In May of 2000, as I started to read the word of God for the first time in over 25 years, I began to understand that someone had seen all the hideous crimes I've committed. Someone else had been there the whole time, watching each of my victims die. God had seen it all. That realization was like slamming into a brick wall at 100 miles an hour. It was like standing naked and ugly before the whole world. It was looking at all the ugliness inside me and exposing it for what it really was. So the best thing that could ever have happened that April was for me to be arrested and brought to account for my actions. God had seen it all. The public and the families had seen and felt the loss and the death and the hurt caused by my actions. Now it was time for Robert Yates to open his eyes and see all that, too. It was impossible to be in denial any longer. It was time to face the truth. When sin has deadened moral perception, the wrongdoer does not discern the defects of his character or realize the enormity of the evil he has committed. For once I listened when God spoke. Until God's spirit working through the human agencies of law enforcement and our justice system woke me out of my spiritual blindness, I couldn't see the enormous devastation I had created, the tremendous pain and suffering I had caused. Until I came back to the love of God in Jesus Christ, I could not turn aside from my sinful nature, for the mind of the sinful man -- and that was me -- brings death. The mind of the man controlled by the Spirit brings life and peace. Someone needed to open my eyes. So I turned to God. Until I turned to faith, though before in death, I saw I couldn't face the truth that finally God was bringing me to account. It was me. I hadn't felt some of that out in Riverside. God already did it. I had to confess to him so I could admit to myself the enormity of my evil, that I needed to tell someone else who would listen and not condemn. After that I stopped the denial, stopped trying to hide the truth from my attorneys in Spokane. I told them all about my crimes stretching back all the way to 1975. That was the right way -- the only way back to God. It's been a long road back. One doesn't fall into such a deep morass of evil and climb back out in one day. Hearing the heartbreaking testimonies of all the mothers, wives, sisters, brothers and children of the lost family members I've taken from them burdens me with the incalculable loss of the unending grief and the harm that I've brought to hundreds of people. I'm so very, very sorry. If God is the creator of this universe, then there are no unimportant people, and I took the lives of these loving, wonderful, important people from you. I feel your hurt every day and it won't go away. It never will. I've devastated your hopes and dreams. I've left you with only photographs and memories instead of warm family gatherings, cherished hugs and future happiness. The opportunity to say farewell or clear up misunderstandings was not afforded you. Please don't squeeze back tears. Tears are part of the adjustments. Tears are jewels of remembrance, painful but glistening with the beauty of your children -- children God loved so much. Children that are, as the Bible says, asleep, waiting the day when they will be called forth to be reunited with you. Please trust in that blessed hope. God is not so far from you that he is not touched by your tears. All of heaven shares your sorrow. I believe with all my heart that there is a huge battle being waged between good and evil in this world, a spiritual battle that has allowed tragedy in this case, unexplainable evil to step forward. Why has all this evil been allowed to exist in the world? Some day God will show us. So that's why we have to trust that some day our God, who's absolutely pure, will end this struggle. When He does, the Bible promises that the old order of things will have passed away. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, only the happiness and joy you long for so much this day. That's a promise from God. Nothing I have said here today will justify or excuse my wrongs or even make sense of them. My compassion goes out to all I've hurt. There's absolutely no excuse that anyone could ever offer for the depths of pain in this room and in the lives of every person I've touched and all the tragedy I've wrought. There are so many innocent victims in all of this -- families, friends and communities, my family, who had nothing to do with any of this. I'm so very, very sorry for what has happened. I and they can offer no justification for any of it. We do offer you all our sympathies and our prayers. There are inadequate words for me to express my guilt, my shame and my sorrow for having devastated you in taking away the wonderful people, the wonderful, loving people, the warm human beings you cared for so much. It's my prayer that you will look to God to help fill the hollow I've left in your hearts. My future is in His hands. I share your grief and always will. I'm sorry beyond what words can say. I apologize to all of you, and I thank the court for allowing me to speak. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kevin H Posted October 23, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2011 Nice to see the names of my cousin Dr. Linda Ferry and my first boss after college and boss of my favorite job, Francisco DeArajo, and the professor who recommended me to him and who was an outstanding person, Virginia Gene Rittenhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kevin H Posted October 23, 2011 Moderators Share Posted October 23, 2011 Don't know anything about Muhammad Ali being an Adventist, only that he lived in Berrien Springs near Andrews, had Adventist friends and would encourage Adventists (as well as other Christians) to stay faithful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parade Orange Posted October 23, 2011 Author Share Posted October 23, 2011 im glad to be getting feedback from all of u! did u folks go over the list line by line! i dont think so!!!!!!!! Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 23, 2011 Members Share Posted October 23, 2011 im glad to be getting feedback from all of u! did u folks go over the list line by line! i dont think so!!!!!!!! Did you get that list from here Adventist adherents ? It's not an accurate list. But yes, PO, I saw the most important person on that list!!! He apparently has a mean whistle (in a good way!)!!!!! Quote Pam      Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted October 23, 2011 Administrators Share Posted October 23, 2011 Pam's correct when she says it's not accurate. I don't think Jaci Velasquez should be on there. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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