Dr. Shane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 The problem with that statement is you have taken the role of Christ for yourself Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 No. I don't think so. Of course there are compassionate conservatives and then those that want to electrocute men on the border because their skin is a different color and they talk funny. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 show me where conservatives as a whole want and have said to electrocute and shoot people because they talk funny and their skin is different. Not all conservatives want to kill those God-fearing people coming here to harvest our fields and feed our children. Only the heartless conservatives want to do that. There are good conservatives and bad conservatives. Also good liberals and bad liberals. That is why I am so slow to jump on a bandwagon. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: bonnie show me where conservatives as a whole want and have said to electrocute and shoot people because they talk funny and their skin is different. Not all conservatives want to kill those God-fearing people coming here to harvest our fields and feed our children. Only the heartless conservatives want to do that. There are good conservatives and bad conservatives. Also good liberals and bad liberals. That is why I am so slow to jump on a bandwagon. You jump on a bandwagon and expect everyone to jump on the same bandwagon.If not then they of course must be racist. You still fail to show anything that backs up your accusations. You make ridiculous unfounded accusations and claims against those you don't know. Even determining those people coming here to harvest the fields are all God fearing people. Leaving out it is those same and others that create the illegal immigrant problem and when they come they put a strain that we cannot afford on or welfare system In the unlikely event there would ever be a electric border fence no one is going to drag them across and drape them over the top of the fence. It will be a choice someone made to ignore the clear warning that they are not to come illegally. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Actually, I haven't jumped on any political bandwagon. I have an open mind. I do have some pretty strong leanings - like domestic energy production - but every political belief I hold is subject to change. The only bandwagon I have jumped on is a religious bandwagon. That is the Sola Scriptura bandwagon and has little or nothing to do with politics. I know many good-natured, loving, self-sacrificing and honorable illegal aliens that come here. I actually speak their language. I have known many on both sides of the border. Of course there is a small percentage that come here with bad intentions. That is why we need to create a pathway for the good ones to come here so that we can concentrate on stopping the bad ones. Right now we use the same net to catch all of them and 90% of those we haul in are God-fearing folks trying to help their families and help America prosper at the same time. Those are keepers! I try not to label of attack any individual. I do label and attack certain ideologies. And if the shoe fits... some folks may be putting it on and feeling rather uncomfortable with my commentaries. But I don't make anyone put on any shoe. I address political ideologies - not individuals. Now the welfare that illegals collect we must be honest and admit that we are convincing them to take it. It is a lie that illegals come to America looking for welfare. They come here looking for work. When work runs out, our welfare offices hunt them down and convince them to take the assistance. The welfare offices funding is based on the amount of assistance they grant so they have a motive to give out assistance. The solution is to create a legal pathway for immigrants to come here and pass an e-verify program. A work visa program would address the welfare issue. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Actually, I haven't jumped on any political bandwagon. I have an open mind. I do have some pretty strong leanings - like domestic energy production - but every political belief I hold is subject to change. The only bandwagon I have jumped on is a religious bandwagon. That is the Sola Scriptura bandwagon and has little or nothing to do with politics. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Illegal is a relative term. Ever park on the wrong side of the street? Then you're an illegal parker. Ever go over the speed limit? Then you're an illegal speeder. Ever cross the street outside of the crosswalk? Then you are an illegal jay-walker. An illegal immigrant is first and foremost an immigrant. That means he or she is a person that moves from one country to another. Nothing wrong with that. People should be free to move about. What makes illegal immigrants illegal is that no pathway has been made for them to come illegally. It is kind of like a guy jay-walking because there is no crosswalk. Let's paint the crosswalk on the street before we try to prosecute jay-walkers for not using it. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Illegal is a relative term. Ever park on the wrong side of the street? Then you're an illegal parker. Ever go over the speed limit? Then you're an illegal speeder. Ever cross the street outside of the crosswalk? Then you are an illegal jay-walker. An illegal immigrant is first and foremost an immigrant. That means he or she is a person that moves from one country to another. Nothing wrong with that. People should be free to move about. What makes illegal immigrants illegal is that no pathway has been made for them to come illegally. It is kind of like a guy jay-walking because there is no crosswalk. Let's paint the crosswalk on the street before we try to prosecute jay-walkers for not using it. You are really stretching. Not sure of any country that agrees with you that everyone should be able to move freely across any border they choose. Those that have taken a hit at the hands of "these few illegals" that are not God-Fearing really don't agree with you. My nephew had to take a cut in pay and accept a job in a safer area.The job he held required him to go from site to site.Not safe in parts of AZ.He had to move his family as well because of these "harmless jaywalkers" A neighbor of mine is letting her house go for back taxes in AZ.She owns it free and clear. Her health is failing and she cannot go between any longer.Even if she could she is to afraid to live there.Renting to any reputable family is a no go,selling at half what she paid for it didn't even get a look.She offered it to her kids if they wanted to take it over,They don't want in that mess. So she stopped paying taxes a couple of years ago.She keeps it insured as she knows these "God Fearing Jaywalkers" would sue her if they were hurt while vandalizing her property. The cost and damage is not all told in the walk across the border or even the welfare benefits.Which by the way a "jaywalker" does not demand. Thankfully more of our truck farmers are eliminating migrant workers.The related costs are not worth it. One truck farmer provided housing.He owned a private trailer park.Not the Hilton,but well maintained and reasonably decent. During the harvest,garbage would pile up even tho garbage service was available. Windows broke,doors hanging by one hinge. After harvest,the mess that was left was even worse.He could no longer afford the "savings of the migrant workers" His produce stands that were manned by those that could speak english lost more money than they took in,until he hired retirees to work as a team with "these jaywalkers" He now only uses retiree's for the produce stands and seems to be doing alright getting rid of the migrant workers altogether. After harvest theft in area towns is at a all time high. It does appear that all the "God Fearing illegals" hang out around you and the rest disperse thru the US. Friends and family in Texas have failed to find your utopian version of illegals as well. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 You are really stretching. Illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. Don't listen to those radical right-wingers that want to trick us into jumping on their bandwagon. If you have parked your car on the wrong side of the street, violated the speed limit or stepped outside of the crosswalk while crossing the street - you're right there with them. My Bible says something about taking the log out of my own eye before worrying about the spec in my brother's eye. I think that is good advice we can all use. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. Don't listen to those radical right-wingers that want to trick us into jumping on their bandwagon. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 If you enter illegally you need stolen or phony documents If they get false documents, they pay taxes. A lot of immigrant haters forget that. A worker visa program and e-verify solve the problem. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: bonnie If you enter illegally you need stolen or phony documents If they get false documents, they pay taxes. A lot of immigrant haters forget that. A worker visa program and e-verify solve the problem. Doesn't do much for those crossing illegally. No,people that are against illegal immigration are only immigrant haters in the mind of petty minded people that hate others themselves.Their personal hatred of those that dare to disagree with them causes them to believe others do the same. About an hour ago the woman that does respite care took "her eight children" for a walk.Third time since the first week of Oct she has had these same children.Some are the children of illegals,two anchor babies. She has had them since Thursday and will until Tues.This time cost to taxpayers is 2800.00. One of the mother's according to her two children is at the casino. Taxes paid by illegals does not exceed the total overall cost to taxpayer. False documents go far beyond your example of parking on the wrong side of the street. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 A work visa would provide American companies a way to get the workers they need. E-verify would close the door to all those that do not use the work visa pathway. That would mean the only ones coming into the country illegally would be criminals and... tourists. Those that get fake papers pay taxes, including Social Security taxes, taken out of their pay checks. Since their papers are illegal, they never file for a tax return. Since they are using someone eles's Social Security number, they never collect money out of that account. They just pay in and never take out. This is the case for thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants. Right-wing immigrant haters like to talk about the cost of illegal immigrants to tax-payers but they ignore the amount of revenue paid in by these same immigrants. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Shane is mistaken on that. It's true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 A work visa would provide American companies a way to get the workers they need. E-verify would close the door to all those that do not use the work visa pathway. That would mean the only ones coming into the country illegally would be criminals and... tourists. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 And suddenly the US would decide to follow their own laws. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: bonnie And suddenly the US would decide to follow their own laws. E-verify gives employers the means to comply with the law. Under the current system, employers cannot tell which papers are false and which are not. Originally Posted By: bonnie to some politicians it is a pathway to votes and power. This simply reflects right-wing paranoia. Latinos are coming to the US - Legal or illegal. It is only a matter of time before they become the strongest voting block in the nation. The good news is that they don't all vote the same. Many Republicans understand that. The rest of them need to wake up and stop making latino immigrants into some kind of enemy. Every post you make reflects your own personal hatred and contempt for those that do not agree with you on this and any related welfare issue. I really don't think the rest of the world or conservatives give two hoots and a holler about what you demand or insist is the one righteous way. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I am glad I don't know to many "loving christians" that routinely ask "what Jesus would do" as they sling the word hate around at others. Somehow I think those two comments are at odds with each other. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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