wicklunds Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Quote: Quote: If we were to take God at His word and truly, from our heart, keep His Sabbath, I believe there would be not a feeble one amongst us, just as it is written about the Israelites in the wilderness. But we love our mega hospitals and centers for disease and expensive treatments and pharmeceuticals that keep us on the tether to hell. Ah, just keep the sabbath and you will alsays be 'well'. And just where does God promise us this will happen? Keep the sabbath and you will suffer no results of this sinful world? Next time you know someone who is saved by a medicine, tell them they are 'tethered to hell'! Sorry man, but I see you as one unhappy person, so mired in conservatism that you are haveing trouble with reality! Adios, amigo Dont get me wrong now Co, God blesses the medical field too. But does the medical field bless God? Maybe you should not be so quick to condemn me. Quote It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Amnsn Posted April 25, 2005 Author Share Posted April 25, 2005 Robert, I don't see that your response makes any difference. What you call "giving OC demands to an OC person" sounds equivalent to what you call "Judaizing". If Jesus did the one, he did the other. Weren't the majority of the people that Jesus talked to living under the Mosaic covenant? Wasn't Jesus living under the Mosaic covenant? Quote: Note that Jesus gives the last 6, but He replaces "you shall not covet" with, "you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself." [see Matt 19:18,19] In other words Christ proved that "coveting" is the opposite of loving your neighbor as you naturally love yourself. Jesus didn't "replace" any of the commandments with anything. All of the commands that Jesus quoted are from the Mosaic Law. Some of them were from the "10 Commandments" and one was from the rest of the Mosaic Law: [:"blue"]but you shall love your neighbor as yourself[/] (Leviticus 19:18) Quote: Just think if there was no coveting and self-seeking we would be in paradise. The "paradise" that you say Jesus was describing was based entirely on the precepts of the Mosaic Law. That's why the Psalmist extolled the virtues of the Old Testament law. Quote: Those who see the impossibility of gaining heaven by anything other than faith are ready to disregard the OC....They have left Babylon. Are you saying that the Old Covenant is something bad that should be discarded? Are you saying that if we treat the Old Covenant with the same respect that Jesus and King David treated it, that we are in "Babylon"? Or have you merely made up your own definition for "Old Covenant" as you have for "Judaize"? How do you reconcile your theology regarding "faith" with the linguistic reality that in both the Old Testament and in the New Testament the word translated as "faith" also means "faithfulness" and "faithful" ? Neither the Greek (pistis) nor the Hebrew (emunah) separates the concept of "faith" (believing) from "faithfulness" (doing)-- both meanings are present in the word "faith". In some instances the Greek word has the specific meaning of being faithful to carry out a contract. So when Paul says "The righteous shall live by faith" (Romans 1:17 quoted from Habakkuk 2:4), he is also saying, "The righteous shall live by faithfulness." (The Hebrew word in that verse is translated only that one time as "faith"; elsewhere in the KJV the word is translated 26 times as "faithfulness", "faithfully", and "faithful", and as "office" [responsibility] 5 times.) If you went through all your favourite Bible passages about "faith" and restored the concept of "faithfulness" into each passage, would you still be able to find your theology in the Bible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicklunds Posted April 25, 2005 Share Posted April 25, 2005 Good points Ron. Thank you for posting them. Quote It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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