Snippets from the hard copy Universal Reconciliation library of rodger

[dialoguewithus]

John317, how do you relate to the Bible's plain, clear testimony concerning the vessels of mercy and the vessels of indignation in Romans chapter 9? Do you accept these truths or do you prefer mythological ideas like "free will"?

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#97 - THE DEPTHS OF GOD WILL RETRIEVE ALL - ANTHONY J. BORRELLO

“Without God’s Spirit the ‘depths of God’ remain unknown. What an essential factor this is in the believer’s quest!

When God’s immense love evokes us to a higher plain, nothing will thwart our yielding to Him. Our past illusions must fade away with all of its façade in order that a more accurate realization of God and the depths of God can be grasped in prelude to the ultimate retrieving of all to God through Christ so He truly will be All in everyone. He shall be ‘All in all’ in the total kaleidoscope envelope of LOVE. This is the Spirit-Reality Whom we should unabatedly proclaim to those who have ears to hear.”

[dialoguewithus]

"Notice the text says nothing about the wicked being converted."

"Reconciliation" in Col. 1:20 and 21 must include conversion.

To be vivified (as contrasted with being made mortal in Adam) so that God may be "All in all" in 1 Cor. 15:20-28 must include conversion.

If you're speaking concerning Phil. 2, verse 9 mentions grace, not judgment. Every tongue will acclaim that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God the Father. I can't see any judgment scene here, John317. If you start reading from verse 5, you'll see the context, which is the exaltation of Christ stemming from His willing humiliation, to bring forth the restoration of the universe. They will bow IN His Name, as an interlinear Bible will show you. Check the other uses of what is done in His Name; judgment is not in view.

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#98 - NONE LOST, NONE ETERNALLY DESTROYED – ANTHONY J. BORRELLO

“It is not a matter of if, only a matter of when each individual will respond to the irresistible call of God’s love – a love filled with such peace and calmness that no one will be able to withstand its comfort indefinitely.

The power of God’s love will attract like a magnet EVERYONE to their safe consolation within the confines of reconciliation. This, my dear friends is what ‘God being All in all’ is all about. The happy tidings are that none will be eternally lost or destroyed.

When the Holy Spirit’s vision arrives within us, then and only then will we be able to grasp the fact that God’s love does not contain the words ‘eternally lost or destroyed’ in its vocabulary.”

[John317]

...The Bible teaches that all mankind will one day be reconciled and constituted just.

Please give your clearest evidence from the Bible that this is true. Don't negelect that texts in Scripture which say things such as,

But rebels and sinners shall be destroyed together,

and those who forsake the Lord shall come to an end. {Is. 1: 28}

Isaiah 66:24

"And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."

Obadiah 1:16

For as you have drunk on my holy mountain,

so all the nations shall drink continually;

they shall drink and swallow,

and shall be as though they had never been.

Malachi 4:1

For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall burn them up, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.

Malachi 4:3

And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.

Matthew 7:13-14

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Matthew 5:29-30

If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. [30] And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Matthew 13:40-42

Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. [41] The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, [42] and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:47-50

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered fish of every kind. [48] When it was full, men drew it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into containers but threw away the bad. [49] So it will be at the close of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous [50] and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 18:6-9

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

[7] "Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! [8] And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. [9] And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.

Romans 2:5-11

But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.

[6] He will render to each one according to his works: [7] to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; [8] but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. [9] There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, [10] but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. [11] For God shows no partiality.

[rodgertutt]

The sinner's destruction is eonian, not eternal.

We can be sure of that because God wants ALL men to be saved, and it is inconceivable that sooner or later God will not get what He wants.

#99 - SOONER OR LATER GOD ALL IN ALL - ANTHONY J. BORRELLO

“As hostile and objectionable our dear brethren may be, there are answers and explanations for every argument and/or insinuation presented against the undeniable fact, That God indeed is a God ‘Who will have all men to be saved, and come into a knowledge of the truth (1Tim. 2:4). As greatly as man and their religious attempt to fight this utterly dynamic evangel (good news), God shall eventually be All in all (1Cor. 15:28)."

EDITOR'S ADDITION:

BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html

"But God is in no hurry. He has specific eons, and administrations within the eons, to fulfill His universal purpose and intention of universal reconciliation. All came out of Christ, including Adam. Consequently all shall be restored by and through Christ, ‘yet each in his own class’ (1Cor. 15:23)."

EDITOR'S ADDITION:

GOD'S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME

THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE

http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

"Annihilation is only one step from its false associate ‘eternal torment.’ When clouds of confusion gather regarding God’s plan for mankind, and despair comes showering down upon our studies, turn to God’s word originally rendered, then, like a searchlight in the darkness of night, His love, and His light of understanding will surely beam forth. God will not allow any to be eternally lost. He is a loving Creator, working out His purpose for the universe, Who will get love from all in return, so that He can and will be ‘ALL in all,’ to all, ‘later.’”

EDITOR'S ADDITION:

WILL UNBELIEVERS BE ANNIHILATED? - chapters three and four

(If necessary copy and paste the following url into your browser address bar)

http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/read.php?sel=2586&searchfor=||KNOCH, ADOLPH E||&type=&what=author

[John317]

#98 - NONE LOST, NONE ETERNALLY DESTROYED ANTHONY J. BORRELLO

Borrello is no authority.

[John317]

The sinner's destruction is eonian, not eternal.

We can be sure of that because God wants ALL men to be saved, and it is inconceivable that sooner or later God will not get what He wants.

Problem is, this is not according to divine revelation but is based on human reasoning.

God doesn't compel either Satan or his demons or followers to do what God wants.

The cross is proof that God repects the choices of human beings.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Many choose not to believe. The Scriptures teach that if people choose to reject the gospel, they will perish. If they choose to believe the gospel, they will not perish but will have everlasting life.

1 John 5:11-12

And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [12] Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

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John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not apollumi (be in a state of being lost), but have life eonian.

But at the end of the eons all will have life.

The age following The Great White Throne Judgment is sometimes called 'the age of consummation,' or 'the age of Jubilee,' or 'the age of the New Heaven and New Earth.'

By the time that age has ended, all fallen creatures will have been saved from everything

from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.

A snippet from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – LOYAL F. HURLEY

“Only as one sees God’s Plan of the Ages do they see the beauty of God’s Program for the redemption of the race.

Heb. 11:3 should read, “Through faith we understand that the ages were planned by the Word of God.” The ages will collectively end. A literal translation of Heb. 9:26 is, ‘But now, once for all, with a view to the end of the ages, has He been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.’

Throughout the eons there is sin and evil, condemnation and death. At the end of the eons all will be justified (Rom. 5:18,19), and all will be reconciled through Christ’s blood (Col. 1:20).

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME

THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE

http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted By: rodgertutt

The sinner's destruction is eonian, not eternal.

We can be sure of that because God wants ALL men to be saved, and it is inconceivable that sooner or later God will not get what He wants.

God doesn't compel either Satan or his demons or followers to do what God wants.

C.S. Lewis wrote, "The greatest surprise for Satan will occur when he learns that he has been perfectly doing the will of God all the time."

IMO the greatest of all manifestations of God's grace in action among the celestials will be when Satan bows in love and adoration in front of his Saviour Jesus Christ.

#109 - UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION – MINNIE ALBERTSON

Salvation is for angels also. ‘All things were created by Him, and for Him’ (Col. 1:16).

‘For Thy pleasure they are and were created (Rev. 4:11). So He ‘reconciles all things unto Himself, whether they be on earth, or things in the heavens (Col. 1:16-21).

Even the devil is not too evil to be corrected. Note who he belongs to, as well as those he deceives. ‘The deceived and the deceiver are His’ (Job 12:16).

“God delights to reconcile all, whether those on the earth, or those in the heavens (Col. 1:20). Therefore there is no more reason to suppose that Satan is not included therein than that any other certain creature is not included therein. Therefore it must be that that notable creature who had rightly long been termed “the Adversary,” is very much included in the reconciliation of the universe, at which time this title (“Adversary” or “Satan”) necessarily will no longer apply, since he will be reconciled and be at peace.”Jim Coram, UNSEARCHABLE RICHES, March 2005.

“Ah, I long intently for that day when even the devil himself shall put away his pitchfork, hang up his horns, and come humbly and brokenly to the Father's house! Does that startle you? How else could it be in that glad day when the Christ has finally RECONCILED ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH, including all the PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS OF THE HEAVENLY SPHERE!”

RECONCILIATION IN THE HEAVENS – J. Preston Eby

http://www.godfire.net/eby/reconcilehvns.html

[dialoguewithus]

Again, I ask the reader to study these two words "apollumi" and "apolleia" in a concordance that lists all of the occurrences of these words. This is the only method to know the true primary meaning of these words. The argument that "destroy" in Matthew 2:13 means "deprive of live" is an unfounded inference. "Deprive of life" would partially define the following Greek words. I quote the Greek word first followed with a literal English translation. "Apokteino" (kill), "sphatto" (slay), "onireko" (dispatch, assassinate, massacre), "phoneuo" (murder). Every occurrence of these words actually mean "to deprive of life."

"Destroy, perish, (apollumi) are used of things which have no life. "Wine runneth out and the bottles perish (apollumi)." (Matt. 9:17, see also Mark 2:22, Luke 5:37) Skinned bottles do not die when they perish. "Verily I say unto you he shall in no wise lose (apollumi) his reward." Matt. 10:42 (Compare Mark 9:41) A reward is not mortal. "That the trial of your faith being much more precious than of gold that perish (apollumi)" (1 Peter 1:7, compare Luke 15:8) Gold and money may perish and be lost but they are not deprived of life. The words which actually do mean "to deprive of life" could not be used in these verses. Neither the primary nor secondary nor any other meaning of "destroy" demands that life be taken. This is entirely a matter of the context. It is not included in the meaning of the words "apollumi" and "apolleia."

"Apollumi" is used of that which is alive. "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he lose (apollumi) one of them, does not leave the 99 in the wilderness and go after that which is lost (apollumi) until he find it. And when he has found it he layeth it on his shoulders rejoicing. And when he commeth home he calls together his friends and neighbors saying unto them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost (apollumi).'" (Luke 15:4-6) If the lost (apollumi) sheep had been deprived of life, would the shepherd have rejoiced when he found the carcass? The word "apollumi" occurs 8 times in Luke chapter 15. See verses 4, 6,8,9,17,24, and 32. Not one of these occurrences means to deprive of life. Our Lord directed His disciples "Go rather to the lost (apollumi) sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt. 10:6) The lost" sheep of Israel were no more dead than the "lost" destroyed sheep which the shepherd sought and found.

A word, whose primary meaning is to deprive of life cannot have a secondary meaning of a state of life. Life is not a secondary meaning of death. Our Lord said to His disciples, "He that findeth his life (psuche, soul) shall lose it, and he that loses (apollumi) his life (psuche, soul) shall find it." (Matt. 10:39, compare Mark 8:35, Luke 9:24, and 17:33) Is our Lord urging them to commit suicide? The text refers to the destruction of the soul. Please note the Greek text reads "psuche" soul, not "zoe" life, as the King's translators translated this passage. The destruction of the soul does not mean death, it means to forgo the pleasure of life and endure the suffering due to faithfulness to Christ. Surely, no one will argue that "He that loses (apollumi) his soul" for Christ will be destroyed without hope of life later. Many Christians martyrs were destroyed by burning at the stake. Their souls were destroyed but who will argue that they will not be resurrected in the future and enjoy immortality.

I believe there is one paramount scripture that should teach us what the word "apollumi" means. "For the Son of Man is come to seek and to save that which is lost (apollumi)." (Luke 19:10) This passage refers specifically to Zacchaeus; he was lost, destroyed. Because he was lost, he was ready to be found and saved. The theory of most false definitions of "apollumi" is to prove that the word means "death" from which there is no resurrection, practical annihilation, a state from which salvation is impossible. This passage directly destroys this theory. Instead of the lost being beyond salvation, they alone are eligible for salvation. You cannot rescue a man who is safe and sound. It is only when a man is in the state denoted by "apollumi" that salvation can operate in his behalf. Antithetical statements such as this are of great value in the study of words. The terms "seek" and "save," are accurate indications of the opposite of destroy. One who is "destroyed" must be lost or no one would seek him. He must be in a state which calls for salvation or Christ would not have come for him. This proves that destruction is a salvable condition, not a state beyond the reach of deliverance. Add to this the fact only the "lost" are "saved" and it reverses the usual theory of "destruction." God seeks what he has "lost." It is a sad fact that most Christians believe that Jesus is seeking to save the "lost" yet on the other hand they do not believe that He will save the "lost." They do not believe that Jesus will save "lost" mankind. Thus Jesus will not be successful in seeking and saving the lost.

A snippet from Eternal Death (Conditional Immortality, Annihilation):

One Step Out of Hell; One Step Short of Glory By Gary Amirault

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/EternalDeath.html

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#101 - 100 SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR OF ALL MANKIND – THOMAS WHITTEMORE

INTRODUCTION: “The Scriptures analyzed in this book declare that much more was accomplished by Christ than traditionally taught. May your eyes be enlightened to see the joy that Jesus saw as He hung on the tree of crucifixion. May the traditions of the elders fall as scales from your eyes to see the full magnitude of the victory of Jesus Christ! When they do, your Bible will appear to be a brand new book, full of the power of God’s love to be victorious over all things.”

[dialoguewithus]

Next I'm expecting something about the "mystery of iniquity" or something to that effect, as though God was surprised by Satan committing sin. As though God couldn't avoid the "fall" of Satan. I will declare with no doubt that God is never surprised, nor is anything a mystery to Him. Nor do I expect the theory of free will to easily free the minds of God's children; it's considered "self-evident" to many and scriptural evidence against it is simply not accepted as literal by many. Romans 9 is not a subject of many sermons, I'm afraid.

[dialoguewithus]

Here are some terms from the NT, which are haphazardly "translated" in most versions into an unintelligible mush.

the eons of the eons

eon of the eons

eon of the eon

conclusion of the eons

the on-coming eons

for the eons

from the eons

the eons

the consummations of the eons

eon

eonian

[rodgertutt]

Again, I ask the reader to study these two words "apollumi" and "apolleia" in a concordance that lists all of the occurrences of these words. This is the only method to know the true primary meaning of these words. The argument that "destroy" in Matthew 2:13 means "deprive of live" is an unfounded inference. "Deprive of life" would partially define the following Greek words. I quote the Greek word first followed with a literal English translation. "Apokteino" (kill), "sphatto" (slay), "onireko" (dispatch, assassinate, massacre), "phoneuo" (murder). Every occurrence of these words actually mean "to deprive of life."

"Destroy, perish, (apollumi) are used of things which have no life. "Wine runneth out and the bottles perish (apollumi)." (Matt. 9:17, see also Mark 2:22, Luke 5:37) Skinned bottles do not die when they perish. "Verily I say unto you he shall in no wise lose (apollumi) his reward." Matt. 10:42 (Compare Mark 9:41) A reward is not mortal. "That the trial of your faith being much more precious than of gold that perish (apollumi)" (1 Peter 1:7, compare Luke 15:8) Gold and money may perish and be lost but they are not deprived of life. The words which actually do mean "to deprive of life" could not be used in these verses. Neither the primary nor secondary nor any other meaning of "destroy" demands that life be taken. This is entirely a matter of the context. It is not included in the meaning of the words "apollumi" and "apolleia."

"Apollumi" is used of that which is alive. "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he lose (apollumi) one of them, does not leave the 99 in the wilderness and go after that which is lost (apollumi) until he find it. And when he has found it he layeth it on his shoulders rejoicing. And when he commeth home he calls together his friends and neighbors saying unto them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost (apollumi).'" (Luke 15:4-6) If the lost (apollumi) sheep had been deprived of life, would the shepherd have rejoiced when he found the carcass? The word "apollumi" occurs 8 times in Luke chapter 15. See verses 4, 6,8,9,17,24, and 32. Not one of these occurrences means to deprive of life. Our Lord directed His disciples "Go rather to the lost (apollumi) sheep of the house of Israel." (Matt. 10:6) The lost" sheep of Israel were no more dead than the "lost" destroyed sheep which the shepherd sought and found.

A word, whose primary meaning is to deprive of life cannot have a secondary meaning of a state of life. Life is not a secondary meaning of death. Our Lord said to His disciples, "He that findeth his life (psuche, soul) shall lose it, and he that loses (apollumi) his life (psuche, soul) shall find it." (Matt. 10:39, compare Mark 8:35, Luke 9:24, and 17:33) Is our Lord urging them to commit suicide? The text refers to the destruction of the soul. Please note the Greek text reads "psuche" soul, not "zoe" life, as the King's translators translated this passage. The destruction of the soul does not mean death, it means to forgo the pleasure of life and endure the suffering due to faithfulness to Christ. Surely, no one will argue that "He that loses (apollumi) his soul" for Christ will be destroyed without hope of life later. Many Christians martyrs were destroyed by burning at the stake. Their souls were destroyed but who will argue that they will not be resurrected in the future and enjoy immortality.

I believe there is one paramount scripture that should teach us what the word "apollumi" means. "For the Son of Man is come to seek and to save that which is lost (apollumi)." (Luke 19:10) This passage refers specifically to Zacchaeus; he was lost, destroyed. Because he was lost, he was ready to be found and saved. The theory of most false definitions of "apollumi" is to prove that the word means "death" from which there is no resurrection, practical annihilation, a state from which salvation is impossible. This passage directly destroys this theory. Instead of the lost being beyond salvation, they alone are eligible for salvation. You cannot rescue a man who is safe and sound. It is only when a man is in the state denoted by "apollumi" that salvation can operate in his behalf. Antithetical statements such as this are of great value in the study of words. The terms "seek" and "save," are accurate indications of the opposite of destroy. One who is "destroyed" must be lost or no one would seek him. He must be in a state which calls for salvation or Christ would not have come for him. This proves that destruction is a salvable condition, not a state beyond the reach of deliverance. Add to this the fact only the "lost" are "saved" and it reverses the usual theory of "destruction." God seeks what he has "lost." It is a sad fact that most Christians believe that Jesus is seeking to save the "lost" yet on the other hand they do not believe that He will save the "lost." They do not believe that Jesus will save "lost" mankind. Thus Jesus will not be successful in seeking and saving the lost.

A snippet from Eternal Death (Conditional Immortality, Annihilation):

One Step Out of Hell; One Step Short of Glory By Gary Amirault

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/EternalDeath.html

CONCLUSION: The concept of finality is by no means inherent in apollumi. Luke 19:10: “For the Son of Mankind came to seek and to save the apollumi”.

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#103 - THE CHRIST OF GLORY – MARVIN W. RICE

“May we get a glimpse of Christ’s wondrous Person as we peer into Sacred Writ. As we go back before the ages of time, through the eons of the Scriptures, forward to the grand finale, to the consummation of the ages, to that day when total reconciliation is completed and eternity continues.

‘every knee bowing, celestial

and terrestrial and subterranean,

and every tongue acclaiming that

Jesus Christ is Lord, for the

glory of the Father’

God would receive no glory merely to see the unbelievers agree that Jesus is Lord, but too late, thus going off to destruction. Nay! The blood of the cross will prevail in every situation, eliminating all sins. What august glory this will bring to the Father as every last one of His creatures acclaim His beloved Son as their Lord!”

[John317]

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not apollumi (be in a state of being lost), but have life eonian.

But at the end of the eons all will have life.

Where does the Bible teach this-- that after the Great White Throne Judgment, and after the fire comes down from God out of heaven and consumes the wicked, all people who have ever existed will have life?

Doesn't the Bible teach that only those who have Christ have life?

[John317]

#103 - THE CHRIST OF GLORY MARVIN W. RICE

Rice is not an authority, is he?

Why should anyone accept what he says about the topic? The Bible is the only real authority on what happens to the wicked, right?

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#104 - JUSTIFICATION – DONALD G. HAYTER

“Although God introduced sin through the agency of His creatures, yet He did not sin in so doing. For it was no mistake, no failure of His. It was in accord with His intention, and it will be justified by the beneficial results obtained through its agency. In the brilliant glory of His ultimate the most somber and gloomy features of earth’s history are transformed into a brilliant display of His power and wisdom and love.

During the final eons every creature in the heavens and on the earth and under the earth will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Father’s love revealed in them, and every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Thus will all ultimately be justified.”

[John317]

- JUSTIFICATION DONALD G. HAYTER

You keep quoting these different people, but I don't see them as authorities on the topic. They aren't discussing the Bible's teachings or citing texts to support their views but are merely telling us their philosophy and opinions, which have no real bearing on the subject as far as I'm concerned.

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted By: rodgertutt

#104 - JUSTIFICATION – DONALD G. HAYTER

You keep quoting these different people, but I don't see them as authorities on the topic. They aren't discussing the Bible's teachings but are telling us their philosophy and opinions, which have no real bearing on the subject as far as I'm concerned.

#105 - THE “EVIL” FROM THE LORD – MICHAEL KILLIAN

“All men will be saved. But God isn’t trying to redeem everyone in this age, only that chosen generation that Paul spoke of.

Believing that the evil in this world has its purpose for good will bring much peace to your heart. And then to realize that God in someway, somehow, will eventually use evil to bring about good for everyone, will further add to your peace. As this revelation of the Prince of Peace is unfolded to your turbulent, battle-weary heart, you will start to more continuously abide in His love.

God not only ‘allows’ evil in this present world, but rather ordains it. No more, and no less evil than God Himself determines, will happen to anyone during any certain day.”

[John317]

During the final eons every creature in the heavens and on the earth and under the earth will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Fathers love revealed in them, and every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Thus will all ultimately be justified.

The Bible doesn't teach that "all ultimately [will] be justified," or saved.

You're assuming, wrongly, that just because the wicked bow the knee to Christ and acknowledge Him as Lord, it means they will be saved.

The Bible plainly teaches that the wicked will be destroyed.

[rodgertutt]

Originally Posted By: rodgertutt

During the final eons every creature in the heavens and on the earth and under the earth will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Fathers love revealed in them, and every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Thus will all ultimately be justified.

The Bible doesn't teach that "all ultimately [will] be justified," or saved.

You're assuming, wrongly, that just because the wicked bow the knee to Christ and acknowledge Him as Lord, it means they will be saved.

The Bible plainly teaches that the wicked will be destroyed.

#106 - THE FEET MINISTRY – DON BRUCE

“The mission of Christ was to destroy the enemy and to set the prisoners free. Now this word ‘destroy’ does not mean to annihilate. In the Greek it means to make of no effect. When Christ took the keys from the prison keeper he, Satan, lost all power and authority. Christ made his office of no effect (Heb. 2:14&15).

While prophets of doom forecast calamity and destruction, the mind of Christ speaks and lights our world with the vision of universal restoration and reconciliation.

Paul told of a great victory where every knee would bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Paul did not say that only a small number will bow and confess, but he said every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess. And no man can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit. What a glorious day that will be when every foot steps forth in the river of life up to the ankle, and from the ankle up to the knee. Every knee shall bow!

We are not an accident! We are not a mistake! No one has been overlooked by the Creator. All of us are His jewels, the apple of His eye, His purpose, reason and will.

When we see God in all things, and realize that all things are in His hands for the eventual good of everyone, then our lives will flow as peacefully as a river.”

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Sequential Logic

Does anyone seek God on his own? No. Romans 3:11, 12. Jesus said, “No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him” Jn. 6:44. Therefore, salvation “is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.” Ro. 9:16. Got prefers some to be saved now for a demonstration of His grace during the oncoming eons. Eph. 1:5, 6: “in love designating us beforehand for the place of a son for Him through Christ Jesus; in accord with the delight of His will, for the laud of the glory of His grace, which graces us in the Beloved”. 2 Thes. 2:13: “Now we ought to be thanking God always concerning you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, seeing that God prefers you from the beginning for salvation, in holiness of the spirit and faith in the truth”. We who believe are “the vessels of mercy, which He makes ready before for glory” Ro. 9:23. Paul says, “Consequently, then, to whom He will, He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening…Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor?” Ro. 9:18, 21. See Ro. 8:28-30.

Can God do anything He wishes? Yes. “All that Yahweh delights He does, In the heavens and on earth, In the seas and every abyss” Ps. 135:6. See Matt. 19:25, 26.

Does God wish all to be saved? Yes. “who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth” 1 Tim. 2:4. See Acts 4:12. These verses prove that God’s designation of some as vessels for dishonor is temporary, not permanent.

Therefore, it is apparent that God is able to save what was lost, and since He desires to save all that was lost, He has promised to do just that. Phil. 2:9-11; Col. 1:20; 1 Cor. 15:20-28; Ro. 5:18, 19.

Faith in God’s promises, an acquaintance with His character and power, sequential logic, and the history of the early church all support universal reconciliation.

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Can God do anything He wishes? Yes. All that Yahweh delights He does, In the heavens and on earth, In the seas and every abyss Ps. 135:6. See Matt. 19:25, 26.

But one thing God won't do is force people to choose to accept Him. God makes it possible for everyone to accept Him, but not all choose to allow God into their lives.

It's true that none of us would have a desire for God without the Holy Spirit, but again, God doesn't force anyone to surrender themselves to Him. God gets pleasure only out of worship and obedience that is freely, willingly and intelligently given.