Stan Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Why is it, if you have compassion for people, and do things to help them, the 'Religious Right' call you a socialist or a communist? Just sayin' Quote: 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’ 41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” http://bible.cc/matthew/25-35.htm Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 AND why were they called righteous? >>>Then the righteous will answer him Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 http://bible.cc/isaiah/5-20.htm Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Why is it, if you have compassion for people, and do things to help them, the 'Religious Right' call you a socialist or a communist? The focus of the "Religious Right" tends to be on moral issues like abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, educational vouchers, relations with Israel and other such things. While there is definitely an overlap between fiscal conservatives and the "Religious Right", economic issues tend to fall more into the fiscal column of issues than the social column of issues. The terms communist and socialist are not interchangeable. While it is true that communists are socialists, it does not hold true to say all socialists are communists. Communism is anti-freedom. Many socialist nations have democratically-elected governments and their citizens are free to move around or even leave the country. What rubs many fiscal conservatives the wrong way isn't being compassionate for people but rather the redistribution of wealth being done by the government. Many fiscal conservatives would like to see tax credits given to tax payers donating money to approved charities that do humanitarian work. Instead of the government handing out food stamps and cash assistance, these conservatives would like to see such work done by private charities. I disagree with that perspective but do understand it. These conservatives are not against being compassionate for people. They are against the government doing what they believe to be the exclusive role of charities. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Sands Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 2 Timothy 3:12 lets us know that this type of finger-pointing should be expected. We must follow our duty to God no matter what others may say or think about us! Quote www.youtube.com/AskTJSands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzarkWoman Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Why is it when people want others to follow the rule of law and such we are called the religious right? Stupid question in the OP. Sorry but wanting to help people is not wrong. What is wrong for you and the rest of the country to take from others to give to others. That is what charity is for, or did you not understand what the word charity means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzarkWoman Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Originally Posted By: Stanta Why is it, if you have compassion for people, and do things to help them, the 'Religious Right' call you a socialist or a communist? The focus of the "Religious Right" tends to be on moral issues like abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, educational vouchers, relations with Israel and other such things. While there is definitely an overlap between fiscal conservatives and the "Religious Right", economic issues tend to fall more into the fiscal column of issues than the social column of issues. The terms communist and socialist are not interchangeable. While it is true that communists are socialists, it does not hold true to say all socialists are communists. Communism is anti-freedom. Many socialist nations have democratically-elected governments and their citizens are free to move around or even leave the country. What rubs many fiscal conservatives the wrong way isn't being compassionate for people but rather the redistribution of wealth being done by the government. Many fiscal conservatives would like to see tax credits given to tax payers donating money to approved charities that do humanitarian work. Instead of the government handing out food stamps and cash assistance, these conservatives would like to see such work done by private charities. I disagree with that perspective but do understand it. These conservatives are not against being compassionate for people. They are against the government doing what they believe to be the exclusive role of charities. Yes, that is the way it is supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Quote: Instead of the government handing out food stamps and cash assistance, these conservatives would like to see such work done by private charities. I disagree with that perspective but do understand it. These conservatives are not against being compassionate for people. They are against the government doing what they believe to be the exclusive role of charities. Ah, yes...charities. Where do charities recives their monies, donations from the public. Private charities could not begin to recieve enough monies to address all the needs with out government programs. What I am curious about, speaking of conservative, usually associated with main line protestent church goers, etc, do they give tithes and offerings to the organizations they belong too? Due some of those monies go for charity support within the .org they belong to? I have a real problem when Bible believing, church going, family people of either political persuation say it's someone else who should be helping, not government, meaning not my taxes! Christs message to us all was to be our brothers keeper. It was all about others first. My understanding of Tithe and offering giving, was not that God 'needs' it, but about controlling our own natural selfishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted November 9, 2012 Administrators Share Posted November 9, 2012 Ah, yes...charities. Where do charities recives their monies, donations from the public. Private charities could not begin to recieve enough monies to address all the needs with out government programs. What I am curious about, speaking of conservative, usually associated with main line protestent church goers, etc, do they give tithes and offerings to the organizations they belong too? Due some of those monies go for charity support within the .org they belong to? I have a real problem when Bible believing, church going, family people of either political persuation say it's someone else who should be helping, not government, meaning not my taxes! Christs message to us all was to be our brothers keeper. It was all about others first. My understanding of Tithe and offering giving, was not that God 'needs' it, but about controlling our own natural selfishness. That is kinda how I think, living in Canada. Everyone gives a little and everyone benefits- even me, when the need arises. I have never heard anyone here complain about paying into medical insurance, even though it is compulsory. So in that respect it might even be better than charity, because charity is awarded according to who is accessible and according to how much is on hand. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted November 9, 2012 Members Share Posted November 9, 2012 Excellent post CoAspen Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest arnie Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Our friends in Canada(meaning some of my relatives) come to the States for surgeries, etc. because they have to wait so long in Canada. I know that for a fact. Socialism that is practiced in medicine doesn't offer optimum treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Our friends in Canada(meaning some of my relatives) come to the States for surgeries, etc. because they have to wait so long in Canada. I know that for a fact. Socialism that is practiced in medicine doesn't offer optimum treatment. My mother's family came from Scotland and some settled in Ca and have remained,others have moved there after marriage or for business.Often they will come to the US when a serious medical need arises. I spent several days waiting out medical tests with my husband with Canadians escaping their health care. Why do they need to come here? It is not only faster and better care but many countries that offer the "free health care" do not have the technology.Technology that in a large part has been invented and produced here.Maybe other countries should pay for the benefits they reap by the US having more expensive care and drugs Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The measured outcomes of healthcare for this country vs GB or Canada are not higher. Speed of access is not a measure of better nor is the availability of technology. I have been in the HC system for 34 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The measured outcomes of healthcare for this country vs GB or Canada are not higher. Speed of access is not a measure of better nor is the availability of technology. I have been in the HC system for 34 years. Really? Speed of access has counted many times with my family and myself. Without the technology that was available to my husband he would not be here. I am very happy we did not have to wait for Canada to provide that technology.Interestingly enough availability of that technology was very important to the Canadian citizens that were waiting with us on results.Technology that was either limited in access or unavailable to them in Canada. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The measured outcomes of healthcare for this country vs GB or Canada are not higher. Speed of access is not a measure of better nor is the availability of technology. I have been in the HC system for 34 years. I have a family member in Great Britian,a former US citizen that might disagree with you on that Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Speed of access is not a measure of better nor is the availability of technology. Ok, then what IS the measure? Please tell us how YOU measure better. If you don't have access or availability, then you are for all intents and purposes in the "0" column. And it doesn't take much to do better than the zero column. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Ok, then what IS the measure? Please tell us how YOU measure better. If you don't have access or availability, then you are for all intents and purposes in the "0" column. And it doesn't take much to do better than the zero column. Kind of a strange statement isn't it? When I had hip and knee replacement two things that counted more than anything else.How fast can I get this done and be over the intense pain and a hospital with the technology readily available,not weeks or months down the road. My orthopedic surgeon is an immigrant to this country and has practiced in places of "socialized medicine" His caution to me was any elective procedures you think you may be facing,let's pursue them and take care of it now rather than later.The later being a long waiting list if approved Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Google is your friend! Do the research! Anecdotal info is not proof of the pudding! Some of the measured outcomes would be, life expectancy, repeat admits, change in outcomes, etc, etc,etc. The dollars spent in this country vs others, does not guarantee a better life or longer life just a more expensive life. Technology can mean many things. I am involved in Radiology imaging, PET/CT for oncology. We have more scanners in Denver and the surrounding area than Canada. You will not die tomorrow with out a scan or the next day or the next, etc. It is a diagnostic tool for staging and follow up. In the Canadian system a patient will be prioritized, here it is just order and the next day or so you can get one. No change in outcome. This applies for many technologies. In the USA, Healthcare is a business not necessarily a process to health and happiness. We invest in Healthcare to make money. This in no way disparages any Healthcare professional, it is just the way of life. Government run Healthcare in other countries can provide a greater distribution of services with out changing the end results at a lower cost. By the way, horror stories are not the 'story' of just Government health systems. They exist today in the USA also, you have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Need new glasses? My words>>, Speed of access is not a measure of better nor is the availability of technology. Your words>>, If you don't have access or availability, then you are for all intents and purposes in the "0" column. Your comments do not relate to my statement...I said speed is not a measure!!! You have access and availability in both Government and private systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Google is your friend! Do the research! Anecdotal info is not proof of the pudding! Some of the measured outcomes would be, life expectancy, repeat admits, change in outcomes, etc, etc,etc. The dollars spent in this country vs others, does not guarantee a better life or longer life just a more expensive life. Technology can mean many things. I am involved in Radiology imaging, PET/CT for oncology. We have more scanners in Denver and the surrounding area than Canada. You will not die tomorrow with out a scan or the next day or the next, etc. It is a diagnostic tool for staging and follow up. In the Canadian system a patient will be prioritized, here it is just order and the next day or so you can get one. No change in outcome. This applies for many technologies. In the USA, Healthcare is a business not necessarily a process to health and happiness. We invest in Healthcare to make money. This in no way disparages any Healthcare professional, it is just the way of life. Government run Healthcare in other countries can provide a greater distribution of services with out changing the end results at a lower cost. By the way, horror stories are not the 'story' of just Government health systems. They exist today in the USA also, you have no idea. Yup,you are right,there are horror stories any time you deal with human beings. What you consider anecdotal,those that are having problems don't. My husband was not critically ill at the time of three days testing,but his DR wanted it immediately if not sooner.Nothing was showing but with his previous unaccounted for strokes beginning at 58 the DR was worried. He told him he had the test results of a athletic 30 year old male but whatever was wrong it would kill him if they didn't find it and thankfully they had the immediate use of technology even tho my husband was not showing a life threatening illness. Two families from Canada went thru the same tests for the same thing,the waiting list was far to long in Canada. There are many that go thru the same thing. Life doesn't even have to be at risk to appreciate prompt hip/knee/cataract surgery. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I was very happy to be able to drive three miles back and forth for my husband's hospitalization and my own surgeries instead of a round trip of 1 hour and 15 minutes each time. Small town hospital with all we needed Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Maybe this email I received might answer some of the reason for that attitude. This is unedited and I haven't looked it up on "Snopes" Quote: At a Tennessee Football Game---not a jokeChristianity is now the target of persecution... THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS! GOD BLESS EVERYONE WHO READS THIS AND PASSES IT ON. I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT A HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL CAN SEE THE PROBLEM, BUT OUR SOCIETY CANNOT. Tennessee Football This is a statement that was read over the PA system at the football game at Roane County High School , Kingston , Tennessee by school Principal, Jody McLeod "It has always been the custom at Roane County High School football games, to say a prayer and play the National Anthem, to honor God and Country." Due to a recent ruling by the Supreme Court, I am told that saying a Prayer is a violation of Federal Case Law. As I understand the law at this time, I can use this public facility to approve of sexual perversion and call it "an alternate life style," and if someone is offended, that's OK. I can use it to condone sexual promiscuity, by dispensing condoms and calling it, "safe sex." If someone is offended, that's OK. I can even use this public facility to present the merits of killing an unborn baby as a "viable" Means of birth control." If someone is offended, no problem... I can designate a school day as "Earth Day" and involve students in activities to worship religiously and praise the goddess "Mother Earth" and call it "ecology.." I can use literature, videos and presentations in the classroom that depicts people with strong, traditional Christian convictions as "simple minded" and "ignorant" and call it "enlightenment.." However, if anyone uses this facility to honor GOD and to ask HIM to Bless this event with safety and good sportsmanship, then Federal Case Law is violated. This appears to be inconsistent at best, and at worst, diabolical. Apparently, we are to be tolerant of everything and anyone, except GOD and HIS Commandments. Nevertheless , as a school principal, I frequently ask staff and students to abide by rules with which they do not necessarily agree. For me to do otherwise would be inconsistent at best, and at worst, hypocritical. I suffer from that affliction enough unintentionally. I certainly do not need to add an intentional transgression. For this reason, I shall "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's," and refrain from praying at this time. " However, if you feel inspired to honor, praise and thank GOD and ask HIM, in the name of JESUS, to Bless this event, please feel free to do so.. As far as I know, that's not against the law--yet." One by one, the people in the stands bowed their heads, held hands with one another and began to pray. They prayed in the stands. They prayed in the team huddles. They prayed at the concession stand and they prayed in the Announcer's Box! The only place they didn't pray was in the Supreme Court of the United States of America- the Seat of "Justice" in the "one nation, under GOD." Somehow, Kingston , Tennessee Remembered what so many have forgotten. We are given the Freedom OF Religion, not the Freedom FROM Religion Praise GOD that HIS remnant remains! JESUS said, "If you are ashamed of ME before men, then I will be ashamed of you before MY FATHER.." If you are not ashamed, pass this on .. I'm not one bit ashamed to pass this on, Are you? THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS! GOD BLESS EVERYONE WHO READS THIS AND PASSES IT ON. God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Quote: Why is it when people want others to follow the rule of law and such we are called the religious right? Stupid question in the OP. Sorry but wanting to help people is not wrong. What is wrong for you and the rest of the country to take from others to give to others. That is what charity is for, or did you not understand what the word charity means? Sounds pretty snippy and "know it all" attitude to me. God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Quote: The dollars spent in this country vs others, does not guarantee a better life or longer life just a more expensive life. underlined mine LHC No, but a healthy lifestyle is guaranteed to make it less expensive, though one might still give their life to a drunk driver, no matter how healthy a lifestyle. God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 http://bible.cc/isaiah/5-20.htm Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Amen - and amen!! in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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