Guest Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Capping what CEOs can be paid isn't quite the same as capping what individuals can earn. Yes it is. How is it any different? All you're saying is "we can't restrict the freedom of the poor man, but we sure can restrict the freedom of the rich man." Are you too blind to see that it's the same road, either way you go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 It is not restricting the freedom of the "rich man". Becoming a CEO isn't the only way to become rich. Furthermore, CEOs would be free to invest in other companies (that they don't work for) and earn all the money they want from those investments. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 When the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, True, because we are by nature self-centered. We are bent to self. We can't love with agape...we love with self-love.... Human love, at its very best (heavenly eros) is self-seeking. We are by nature egocentric and therefore everything we do and think, in and of ourselves, is polluted with self-love or selfishness. Hence man’s love is always trying to ascend, whether it be socially, politically, academically, materially, economically, or even religiously; we are all slaves to our “own way” [isaiah 53:6; Philippians 2:21]. As we saw in our last study, we are all shaped in “iniquity” (bent to self). Consequently all of us, without exception, are coming short of God’s glory or agape love [Romans 3:23]. [JS] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 How much socialism would you advise Obama to put into law? Bonnie, if you don't like the concepts of socialism then give up your medical insurance. After all, if you get sick everyone else is helping to pay for your medical expenses. That's a form of socialism. Also, don't drive on the socialistic highway. You have a highway to drive on because of redistribution of the wealth. It's called taxes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 You and bonnie are like children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 You and bonnie are like children. And you're like the crazy uncle that they try to keep locked in the cellar, so nobody will know. But he keeps finding a way to get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Bonnie, if you don't like the concepts of socialism then give up your medical insurance. After all, if you get sick everyone else is helping to pay for your medical expenses. That's a form of socialism. Also, don't drive on the socialistic highway. You have a highway to drive on because of redistribution of the wealth. It's called taxes.... Little problem with that idea.I tried to opt out of medicare and pay my own. Even after paying in for others to use it. No can do.It is impossible for me to purchase private insurance that will cover over and above 20%.My options were taken away from me because of socialism.There are a few circumstances where insurance may cover you for awhile. By brother opted out of medicare as he was covered thru his company.When he closed up his business he maintained that till the day he got a letter from the insurance company canceling his policy in thirty days.He did opt back into medicare and from now on will pay a additional penalty every month for his audacity in thinking he should take care of his own Taxes were not designed to be redistribution of wealth.The government has certain roles to play in the country.Infrastructure,defense and to keep one from harming others. The taxes my husband and I have paid and continue to pay,provide for my use of the highways. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 For the lovers of more and more taxes to redistribute that social programs,more regulation and social programs is in itself big business. More goes to government employees and the act of redistributing the increase than actually lands in the hands of those they claim to be championing. Not that long ago when we cared for foster children,76 cents of every dollar received for social programs went to salaries,pensions and benefits and the remaining 24 cents went to actual care of the children. The more regulations passed ,the more employee's,the more money denied the children. For every 1.00 of increased revenue thru taxes 1.56 is spent. As long as there lacks accountability and people keep saying,tax those evil rich it keeps up. Problem is,it only annoys the evil rich and harms everyone else. Perhaps starting with the fraud,which is enormous,the unnecessary,the cushy pensions and benefits paid for by taxpayers would be more effective. That idea is usually branded cold hearted conservatism. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Originally Posted By: Robert You and bonnie are like children. And you're like the crazy uncle that they try to keep locked in the cellar, so nobody will know. But he keeps finding a way to get out. Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The taxes my husband and I have paid and continue to pay,provide for my use of the highways. Again, that's everyone paying in....This redistribution of the wealth means you can ride on the paved roads. Otherwise you couldn't afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 the evil rich The rich have an advantage....They own the politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie The taxes my husband and I have paid and continue to pay,provide for my use of the highways. Again, that's everyone paying in....This redistribution of the wealth means you can ride on the paved roads. Otherwise you couldn't afford it. Check to see what the role of federal government was intended to be. No,I could not afford it .But I pay for my portion of use. More than many and less than many. That is not redistribution of wealth to care for my families needs by taking from others. As long as I can spend the money of someone else I will do it with abandon,knowing there is more I can take. Taxes are necessary to provide certain things for the country it governs as a whole.No one has denied that. The government now wants more and more control over private lives and so many of you are saying YES,WAY TO GO Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The rich have an advantage....They own the politicians. To a point they have an advantage. Most were not always rich.Once they have accumulated more wealth they are in a stronger position.My brother made a great deal of money and had a very succeessful business.His acess to credit,higher credit lines and the ability to do business in area's I couldn't came with the risk/hard work/responsibility and success he achieved. Sounds like a good reason for those that want to blame others.His success didn't take one penny from my pocket or deny me the ability to take my own risks. The rich cannot prevent me from prospering.They cannot prevent me from taking a risk if I choose. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I pay for my portion of use. No way possible! It's about $120,000 per mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 ...my own risks So you are in to gambling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie ...my own risks So you are in to gambling? You do a tremendous job of stretching and twisting. Dishonest Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie I pay for my portion of use. No way possible! It's about $120,000 per mile. There is a role for government.That does not mean that role should be intrusive.Whatever it is I have paid what I have been told to pay in taxes. Infrastructure is not welfare and is not redistribution of wealth. Medicare is socialism,something where my choice has been taken. Now go ahead and see how far you can stretch the issue to try to make yourself right. You believe in socialism it seems.Your right.I don't. I don't believe government should have the right to intrude into my life as they are.I don't believe in Obama's collective salvation.I don't want a village raising my children. I don't believe in Obama's political and personal version of I am my brothers keeper. As soon as someone says "There needs to be a law to make things fair",it has just become unfair for someone. I don't want more and more taxes so government can spend 1.56 for every dollar of new revenue. I don't want 76 cents out of every dollar supposed to go for the care and protection of children going into pension,more and more regulation and the pockets of government employees. You stick with and defend all the socialism you like. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 You do a tremendous job of stretching and twisting. Dishonest Not really, there's no guarantee that you'll succeed. Remember it's a dog eat dog world based on competition. Those who have an advantage come out on top - those who don't come out on the bottom. That's why Christ said "you will always have the poor with you". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Infrastructure ... is not redistribution of wealth. Come on Bonnie, sure it is. We all pay and we all benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Medicare is socialism,something where my choice has been taken. "Medicare is a social insurance program administered by the United States government, providing health insurance coverage to people who are aged 65 and over." So, Bonnie, let the poor older folks die - is that your point? What a selfish attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 You stick with and defend all the socialism you like. I'm with Shane....We need a mixture of both Capitalism & Socialism. Not the kind of Socialism that takes over private business, but the kind that redistributes the wealth through taxes. What you seem to be promoting in Laissez-Faire Capitalism, which means the rich have no regulation on them. That's what we had when we had slavery in the south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie Medicare is socialism,something where my choice has been taken. "Medicare is a social insurance program administered by the United States government, providing health insurance coverage to people who are aged 65 and over." So, Bonnie, let the poor older folks die - is that your point? What a selfish attitude. You play your dishonest foolish games with someone else.One thread is enough.You are incapable of addressing anything that is said in a honest manner. Maybe that is what grace has done for you. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 You play your dishonest foolish games with someone else. No games....I think you should take care of yourself. Don't drive on the socialistic highway. Don't benefit off anything where others are assisting. Lace up your own boot straps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie You play your dishonest foolish games with someone else. No games....I think you should take care of yourself. Don't drive on the socialistic highway. Don't benefit off anything where others are assisting. Lace up your own boot straps. And I think you need to find someone else to play your dishonest games with. I can have a great deal of respect for an honest adversary or opponent as long as what is said and defended is not done by adding dishonesty and foolishness. I have none for those that play games in religious matters.You have done both politically and religeously.Adding, accusing,making claims against others that has never been said. Talking to you and addressing what has actually been said is as productive as trying to drive a nail thru egg white. If this is what your spiritual views represent I want no part of it. As for your political views we should soon see all the socialism and worse we can handle. Now you go find another playmate willing to play the stretch,twist and make up game.There may be others that share your view and play the same games you play.What a sad commentary on such "devoutly" held religious views that you are incapabale of direct honest answers to direct honest questions. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 It is impossible for me to purchase private insurance that will cover over and above 20%. Private insurance is also a form of socialism. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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