doctortechie Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Well, is it? I never got to go to prom while in Adventist schools. I feel like I missed out on a big piece of Americana because of it. Reason given by our school was that dancing was not allowed because of something EGW said. Quote "Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 I never got to eat pork chops either <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Never got to go out to the movie theater either <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Never got to watch Saturday morning cartoons either <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Never got to watch Saturday afternoon college football either <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I never got to drink a beer with my dad. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> But I got to know Jesus as my loving Savior and He rescued me from my sin. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sands Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 I heard a prominent SDA Educator say once, "Most married couples would benefit more from going out "slow-dancing" with their spouse than going out to eat." Now this is suggesting only dancing with one's spouse not the usual "mixing it up" that usually happens. He is a retired minister now doing Marriage Counselling. Maybe something to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniloc Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 [:"blue"] hi doctorechie..... while i can't speak concerning the Adventist view on this topic...... seeing as how i am just exploring beliefs, etc of SDA..... am sure there are others can answer the question on EGW's perspective.... for myself... i was raised in a denomination that considered most things secular to be "sin" and i too missed out on school proms and extra-curricular activities. when i became a parent... i did allow the kids to go to proms, be involved in their school activites and we discussed everything..... i don't believe..... dancing... inherently as an art form or recreational activity is good or bad or wrong... i believe what makes any thing "wrong" or "sin" is the heart motivation and purpose for which we are doing it... and what other things, thoughts these activities may lead to..... when we are discussing impressionable young children and teens for whom we have responsibility and accountability before the Lord ..... i do believe an ounce of prevention is woth more then a pound of cure..... "dancing" before the Lord IS mentioned in the Bible..... what form that takes..... personally, i believe should be modest and orderly in a public setting and is one's personal worship and praise of HIM... Uniloc [/] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> I heard a prominent SDA Educator say once, "Most married couples would benefit more from going out "slow-dancing" with their spouse than going out to eat." <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I guess that depends if one values the physical body more or the spiritual soul. Eating a meal can damage the physical body if one eats the wrong type of food or overeats. And dancing can be a good form of exercise. However dancing in the worldly environment can be damaging to the soul. Some worldly music is uplifting. I know of some songs that uplift the value of relationships and love that are worldly. However much worldly music glorifies extra or premarital sex and alcohol and/or drug use. Not only is there the concern about the music in the dance club, there is also the concern of the general environment. Most dance clubs serve alcohol and allow smoking. Most dance halls are not filled with married couples, but single adults looking for either quick sex or some kind of romantic relationship. Dancing arrouses sexual passion. If this isn't your experience you either have some medical or phychological problem or don't know how to dance. That said, I see no Biblical issues with dancing in a clean envorinment to music that is uplifting. I would have no problem if my local church started arobic dance classes and used contemporary Christian music. I wouldn't have a problem with an Adventist marriage retreat that had a dance on Saturday night. I would be concerned about an Adventist version of a prom as those attending would be single and dancing is a sexual activity (please don't ask me to get graphic). For singles I think rollerblading or skating events are a much better way to enjoy uplifting music, get excersize and socialize. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sands Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Thank you Shane FOR not getting graphic!!! However, there are stories of people finding love in the produce isle at the supermarket. Isn't it all where your mind is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Isn't all where your mind is? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I am not an English teacher but I believe that is what is known as a sentence fragment. I only mention it becuase I can't even figure out what you are trying to ask. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Actually, it would be what is not commonly known as a question fragment. A statement would end in a period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sands Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Reread the edit, Shane. If you are out to find free love, you can find it anywhere. You might not have sex with a spouse for fear you would get adiitted to it. Come on, of course if you are a believer in not touching alchol because you are in the all or nothing camp, rather than drink in moderation for health benefits, then you should not go slow dancing in environments where you, Shane, will be tempted. Enough of a picture for you!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 How can we pray "lead us not into temptation" and then willfully walk into it ourselves? Taken to extreame, your logic allows one to go to a strip bars with exotic dancers to watch a football game. There are no healthful benefits derived from alcohol that are not available from other sources - like natural juice. In fact the US Food and Drug Administration will not allow wine companies to advertise that wine is healthy because while it reduces heart disease it increases the risk of cancer. King Solomon was wise when he cautioned us not to look upon the wine when it is red. The Bible allows the use of alcohol for medical purposes not for social purposes. And in case anyone thinks alcohol comsuption is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/129933-offtopic2.gif" alt="" /> I will suggest that dancing as the world does and alcohol consumption are very much related. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormF Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 FWIW (OT I hope) ... Curiously enough, I can recall my dad recounting his days at Oak Park Academy in the 30's when he often attended Saturday night "March's" in the school gym. There was music being played and a caller with instructions for everyone, it was attended by the entire student body ... and it was entered into with great enthusiasm by the students. They "marched" around the gym one way and then the other, and back and forth, across and back, and so on. But, he said, the faculty and administration were very careful throughout the year to insist that academy students should never participate in "dancing." Then Dad asked me, "Ever hear of square dancing?" Regards, Norm Quote Debile fundamentum, fallit opus. - "Where there is a weak foundation, the work falls." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormF Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 One more FWIW (about 2 cents) ... (The icon doesn't work!) Isn't [linking verb, with a modifying adverb] - it [pronoun, subject] - all [predicate adjective] - where your mind is [phrase, modifying the predicate] - ? [puncuation: question mark] The phrase can be further sub-diagrammed: where [predicate adverb] - your [adjective, modifying "mind"] - mind [noun, subject] - is [linking verb] UBB is woefully short on diagrammatical marks! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> This is a question. Questions are one form of sentences. This one has a subject, a verb, and an object; it more than passes the criteria for being a complete sentence. (The word "it", found in the original statement, was not included in the referencing quote.) Class is over. You are dismissed. I will leave. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> Regards, Norm Quote Debile fundamentum, fallit opus. - "Where there is a weak foundation, the work falls." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Brother Norm, In the orignal draft the word "it" was missed so the sentence had no subject <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormF Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 OK! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Quote Debile fundamentum, fallit opus. - "Where there is a weak foundation, the work falls." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parade Orange Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 well along time ago- i went dancing in clubs in SF and it was fun! booze and men. yeehah! And God wasnt in it. I sure would like to try it the way David did it. The jewish culture had men separated from the women and that was alright! wait a minute! thats how the clubs did it in SF! ... oops Quote All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Quote: Well, is it? I never got to go to prom while in Adventist schools. I feel like I missed out on a big piece of Americana because of it. Reason given by our school was that dancing was not allowed because of something EGW said. Dancing is a tool. Viewed that way, you can use it anyway you like. Adventist culture is against dancing in any form due to the "sexual pomiscuity" and the "drinking" that would occur...Unfortunately, this myth is only superimposed upon the young in heart and in the church to for controling purposes only. Most public school proms are chapparoned by teachers. An Adventist prom [if there were such a thing]would not allow any alcohol, so it would be alcohol free. Curiously enough, there are square dancing clubs that are perfect fine places to dance, as they don not allow smoking or drinking in the club houses. As for possible sexual activitys in these places, the only body contact is at the hand and arms and no where else is there body contact. Anyone who says that this type of dancing is wrong, has not learned the principles of either the church in regards to square dancing, nor is aquainted with square dancing itself, nor aquainted with the history of our church and the reasons that we allowed Marching, and the reasons that dancing has been taboo in the past. Is dancing wrong? Depends upon what you are using it for...Socialization, yes, it can be used for that. Sex, well, that is harder, but it's possible...But over all, no, it is not wrong. Wait! First let me get my asbestos underwear on!............. Ok...Lets hear the flames roar... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.  George Bernard Shaw  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctortechie Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 So, aside from the grammatical sidebar, can anyone actually make a valid argument for not dancing? I'm not referring the type popularized by go-go or MTV music. Quote "Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sands Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 What about celebrating a daughter's wedding, the Father, daughter dance as he says good bye as he marries her off. What about that happy celebration? A little foreign to SDAs granted, but I went to a wedding where it truly was a celebration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 The only problem I have with square dancing is the beer garden that has always been close by. Where I come from, square dances without beer are not well attended. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Is dancing wrong? Depends upon what you are using it for... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I agree with that. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Socialization, yes, it can be used for that. Sex, well, that is harder, but it's possible...But over all, no, it is not wrong. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I have seen more socialization take place at a card game than the dance floor. Is it hard to use dance for sex? Not at all. When I was in college I was already sober and in AA. I use to go to some of the dance clubs with my AA friends to pick up women. We called it "grab a##" That is what we called the dance floor. I could get graphic but I know some are offended easy so you will have to trust me that it was sexual. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> can anyone actually make a valid argument for not dancing? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I think I have already done that. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bevin Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 The SDA prohibition against dancing is one of the reasons I am glad I got out of the denomination. I am certainly thrilled that my girls escaped without that (or several other) SDA guilt trip laid on them. Fortunately my wife and I decided it was nonsense fairly early - but we did have some, now regretted, incidents where we stopped the girls from going to a school dance. Fortunately we wised up before doing too much damage. All three of my girls enjoy dancing - and next year, once my current paramedic program is done, my wife and I are going to take some lessons also. It is simply not true that dancing leads to sex - yet another of the lies told by leaders to control followers. Shane's arguments about strip clubs are as valid as saying "children should not have beds because adults have sex in beds". Hmmm - maybe I am on to something here... /Bevin ps: SDA married couples need to be very careful about their sex lives - it can lead to dancing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sands Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 I think I agree with Neil on this, Shane you were using it for a certain purpose, when you were sowing your wild oats, that father marrying off his "little girl" is another "purpose" for celebrating with dance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Weddings? 15th Mexican birthday parites? Always lots of dancing. Same principles apply. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Shane you were using it for a certain purpose <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> And what do you think the purpose of all the young single men at the wedding will be? You think they are all going to be pure as the white driven snow? I live in the real world. When a young man gets the chance to hold a beautiful woman up close to him his blood is going to flow. Well maybe not in San Fransico <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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