Darls Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's in the Church Manual but is causing a lot of trouble in my church. People don't want to do it because they think it's the '' Mark of the Beast''. Personally, I don't like it very well, but we need to protect children and the Conference. It has gotten so bad, that the leaders are kicking out a pastor because of it. Please pray for my church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators LynnDel Posted November 11, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 11, 2012 Hi Darls, Welcome to ClubAdventist! I have been on CA for a long time and feel I have made some good friends. Some I have even met in person after "seeing" them here online here for years, and that is always a great experience. I have noticed your post about "Police Check" in a number of places, and I am not sure which one to answer. It would be easier to have a conversation -- at least for me -- if you only posted this one time. I am not sure what the situation is at your church. Something about a police check? Can you explain more what is going on, and why a pastor might lose his position over it? Praying, LynnDel Quote LD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's in the Church Manual but is causing a lot of trouble in my church. People don't want to do it because they think it's the '' Mark of the Beast''. Personally, I don't like it very well, but we need to protect children and the Conference. It has gotten so bad, that the leaders are kicking out a pastor because of it. Please pray for my church. Those who think it's the Mark of the Beast should be kicked out. They are obviously not safe to have in the church. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darls Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Ok, for the election process this year, the police check has been put forward. However, it was not there before the new pastor came. The church is almost unicultural (caribbean, but the pastor is european). So everyone who would have a occupation in the church should give it. Some influential (even too much) members are against it and sent many letters to the conference about him. But these days, it has gotten so much out of hand. Members, Deacons are calling him Satan, The Beast and they are saying on the pulpit that they dont want to give the police check. They are bullying other members and forcing them to vote no on all the lectures of the nominating committee, thinking that it could change something on the police check. They are going on the pulpit saying that the whole church should not give it and that the pastor has to go. They even said that there is a separation in the church between the youth and the older people because the youth approve the police check. They are starting to bully the youth and forcing them to vote no on the nominating committee. \ PLEASE pray for my church!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darls Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 It's in the Church Manual but is causing a lot of trouble in my church. People don't want to do it because they think it's the '' Mark of the Beast''. Personally, I don't like it very well, but we need to protect children and the Conference. It has gotten so bad, that the leaders are kicking out a pastor because of it. Ok, for the election process this year, the police check has been put forward. However, it was not there before the new pastor came. The church is almost unicultural (caribbean, but the pastor is european). So everyone who would have a occupation in the church should give it. Some influential (even too much) members are against it and sent many letters to the conference about him. But these days, it has gotten so much out of hand. Members, Deacons are calling him Satan, The Beast and they are saying on the pulpit that they dont want to give the police check. They are bullying other members and forcing them to vote no on all the lectures of the nominating committee, thinking that it could change something on the police check. They are going on the pulpit saying that the whole church should not give it and that the pastor has to go. They even said that there is a separation in the church between the youth and the older people because the youth approve the police check. They are starting to bully the youth and forcing them to vote no on the nominating committee. PLEASE pray for my church!!! Please pray for my church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. T. Cross Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 What is a police check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted November 11, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'm not sure what the term police check means in this context. Is it the same thing as a criminal background check? This check-up is required in our state, by state law, for any person who is in a position of leadership of children. This includes Sabbath school leaders and teachers, as well as Pathfinder leaders, etc. I appreciate this law, because many pedophiles gain access to their victims by first becoming Boy Scout leaders, Pathfinder leaders, etc. We need to cooperate with the civil laws concerning protecting our young people from possible harm. Even Christ said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's." This type of law has nothing to do with the mark of the Beast, IMHO. Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darls Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 A criminal record check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darls Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Yes, it is a criminal record check. It's necessary. It's even in the church manual p247. If I understood, the Conference does not require it if the state do no ask for it. So in many countries, they dont do it. And this may be the reason, there is so much animosity in my church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted November 11, 2012 Members Share Posted November 11, 2012 A criminal record check. On the pastor? Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darls Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 No, on every volunteers. Obviously, the pastor has one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted November 12, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 12, 2012 Obviously, the pastor has one. Why obviously? I've never had one. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators LynnDel Posted November 12, 2012 Moderators Share Posted November 12, 2012 It's too bad that the request to perform a criminal record check should so divide the church, when it is really a safeguard to protect our young ones. It makes me wonder if someone among those who are so much against it has something to hide. I pray that those in your church, in all churches, not forget the real reason our church exists in the first place. LD Quote LD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon1 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I pray that those in your church, in all churches, not forget the real reason our church exists in the first place. Yes, only God can work miracles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 No, on every volunteers. Obviously, the pastor has one. Don't know how true that is,but there are to many instances to count where behavior is known,complaints are made and there is no action taken except to move the accused to another location Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Naomi Posted November 12, 2012 Administrators Share Posted November 12, 2012 It's too bad that the request to perform a criminal record check should so divide the church, when it is really a safeguard to protect our young ones. It makes me wonder if someone among those who are so much against it has something to hide. I pray that those in your church, in all churches, not forget the real reason our church exists in the first place. LD Criminal records are easily obtained...if you have nothing to hide, then there is nothing to fear. Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon1 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Don't know how true that is, but there are to many instances to count where behavior is known,complaints are made and there is no action taken except to move the accused to another location Just like the Boy Scouts. Or the RC Church. It's a very old tradition which completely bypasses official records. Try reading "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome" by Charles Chiniquy. Nothing new under the sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie Don't know how true that is, but there are to many instances to count where behavior is known,complaints are made and there is no action taken except to move the accused to another location Just like the Boy Scouts. Or the RC Church. It's a very old tradition which completely bypasses official records. Try reading "Fifty Years in the Church of Rome" by Charles Chiniquy. Nothing new under the sun. That is all true but the SDA church is my concern. What others do that is wrong and immoral should not be a basis for our behavior Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon1 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Criminal records are easily obtained...if you have nothing to hide, then there is nothing to fear. Further, if one is born again there is no fear. Most have a lengthy criminal record before conversion - as did Paul, a most effective shepherd in God's work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon1 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 What others do that is wrong and immoral should not be a basis for our behavior True enough, but it is the basis for our behavior. And most members take it in stride. "Just a bad apple." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon1 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Inspiration told us many years ago: "The world has converted the Church." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Originally Posted By: bonnie What others do that is wrong and immoral should not be a basis for our behavior True enough, but it is the basis for our behavior. And most members take it in stride. "Just a bad apple." I guess I disagree.The SDA has not based this behavior on what others have done or are doing. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon1 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I guess I disagree. The SDA has not based this behavior on what others have done or are doing. Very well. Upon what is this SDA behavior based? Not the Bible (which teaches personal & corporate responsibility - and urges accountability.) Not the SOP which advocates the same. Without acknowledging a root cause, denial remains a plausible defense. Solutions won't be sought or found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darls Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Originally Posted By: Darls Obviously, the pastor has one. Why obviously? I've never had one. Explain me, pastor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darls Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 It's too bad that the request to perform a criminal record check should so divide the church, when it is really a safeguard to protect our young ones. It makes me wonder if someone among those who are so much against it has something to hide. I pray that those in your church, in all churches, not forget the real reason our church exists in the first place. LD Amen, it's quite probable it's the case. It should not be such a problem to give it knowing that nobody will see it, except the conference but even (in a sealed enveloppe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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