Ellen Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The Sabbath School lessons on creation bring up some interesting What Ifs. So the one I am pondering is the question someone raised about the animals in heaven. I am not sure if that person meant the New Earth. But my thughts went to the likelihood of there being pets in heaven. Would we want them to come back with us to this earth. Maybe there are none there. So would God create them on the fifth day of the recreated world? Just askin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted January 19, 2013 Members Share Posted January 19, 2013 I personally don't believe there will be new 6 days of creation, but I do believe that there will be animals of all kinds on the earth made new. Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 If God resurrected any animals from this fallen world he would definitely have to change them a lot (in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye). For instance, what would happen to the carnivores? Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatisthis Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Maybe they would be like Little Tyke and refuse to eat meat? Quote more later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Of course. Thoughtless of me. Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatisthis Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Animals have suffered so for a sin they didn't commit, why couldn't they rejoice in a salvation they don't "deserve"? Animals work for us, adore us, risk their lives for us -- and all kinds of other things because of our needs/deeds. I hope that at least some of these animals, so loving and caring and committed, will live again! This isn't theological, it comes from love and the longing to see it extended. Do you suppose God might have put that in my heart? I don't know. I trust Him, whatever comes or does not come to be. But God is so detailed oriented, and He loves so much! It does raise these possibilities, for me, anyway. Quote more later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 I agree there will definatly be animals in the new earth. Just whether they are fresh newly created ones or cIhanged ones. God seems to love animals, He made so many of thhem He must have some where His home is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuff sed Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 IMO there will be the same type of 'original species' in the New Earth just like there was in the Garden of Eden. I do not recall anything about dogs and cats which are 'devolutions' of original Creation. Nuf Sed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Full agree, 'nuff sed. Which is what I was (poorly) alluding to with my comment re carnivores. Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 24, 2013 Administrators Share Posted January 24, 2013 This adds a thought to what I have said elsewhere about the interpretation of clean vs unclean. In a way the purity rules were perhaps a way to remind the people of God's original creation by highlighting the original species of creation before sin corrupted the animal kingdom. In a way, it is a promise of the new earth re-created. That tends to reinforce my belief that those rules were really not about diet or health and more symbolic of God's purpose and plan of full redemption from sin for all creation. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restin Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 When my beloved kitty died, the vet gave me the poem entitled, "THE RAINBOW BRIDGE." It helped me through the grief, even though as an SDA, I adjusted just a line or two about stepping into heaven immediately instead of later. I do believe our pets can be preserved in God's memory until He restores all to us. I don't see any place in the Bible that says God cannot bring a pet back (that very one, not just a replica). Though animals may not have "souls" and thus partake in the gospel experience, God could have them in another category altogether. He could bring back every animal that died in the flood if He chose to. So There! It makes me feel so much better to believe this positive way than some negative way if the Bible doesn't make it clear. What do we know, anyway...we're like fish looking up from a dark pond, wondering if anything else is out there! (You can find the Rainbow Bridge poem on the internet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I hope you're right, but I fear that maybe you're not. Here's why. An animal is a soul, just like you are. It has breath. It is a life. My fear is that because they are tainted with the curse that sin has left, they will not be kept. But maybe God will somehow remove the curse of sin from out pets. They made no choices. I don't see why God couldn't do that if he wanted to, and I hope that's the case. I would like to have Mr. Murphy with me in heaven. Also Bud, the part wolf dog. And Bud Jr. and Bo, the white German Shepard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 Clean/unclean animals in heaven? I think of Horses, dogs, rabbits, Mallards, beavers, polar bears. How could there be non of those in the new earth. The clean and unclean was for eating, not loving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restin Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 As for the carnivores, the Bible does say that the lion shall eat straw in the new Earth. I believe that Satan took the original animals God created and tampered with genetics, like gene manipulation as scientists can do even now, and altered teeth and claws, digestive systems, brain programming, etc, to be carnivorous instead of what God intended. Even as God will transform our bodies from their degeneration and malformations caused by Satan, He can as well do it for animals. That's my opinion, as I love animals and even feel some guilt that my specie's sin caused all of them to suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 So, did Satan change things, or did God do it Himself? GRaeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMo Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Concerning pets, I don't know if God will resurrect original pets or creat new ones absolutely identical to the original ones; but I can't imagine life without pet dogs, cats, and horses. Concerning animals is general; I'm sure they'll be lots of cool, tame animals in heaven - including ones that are now extinct; and ones we've never seen, heard of or imagined! Tom's post made me think - will those of us who are carnivores eat meat in heaven? On the one hand, I can't imagine there would be butcher shops or meat processing plants in heaven. On the other hand, I can't imagine heaven without an occasional burger or fried chicken. Maybe heaven's "veggie meat" will look and taste just like the real deal (IOW, better than Worthington or Morning Star Farms) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted February 1, 2013 Members Share Posted February 1, 2013 There was no meat eating in the garden of eden, I don't see that changing in the earth made new. We see the disease that meat eating brought on humans, don't see God letting us eat them. How about hunting for food than? If there's gonna be meat eating, than for sure there'll be hunting! But with what? No I personally don't believe we will be eating meat in the Earth made New. Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMo Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Even though I'm currently cariverous, I have to agree with you pk - I can't imagine that there will meat eating in heaven. God says there be no killing of anything in His Holy Mountain (I take that to be the earth made new). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
only by grace Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 what about the scripture of the lion laying down with the lamb? A lion is a carnivore, but will eat hay or straw on the new earth. I have dogs and they love vegetables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMo Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 our dogs love veggies (especially cooked carrots); and our cats love canteloupe; but dogs, cats, and other carnivores are currently "designed" to eat meat. The don't fare well on purely veggie diets in this age. IMO, God will do a design upgrade on them in the earth made new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restin Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Well, Planey, stepping maybe too far beyond my credentials, I think that even though Satan can't create life, he could go far to manipulate genetics to his evil ends. Viruses, cancer, etc. certainly must not have been made by God. Probably not the carnivorous dinosaurs at creation day, either, from what I've studied. I just can't see God doing that to His creation, and is so much contrary to His character. Also, I think God works within genetics, too, such as the armour and defenses of animals like Stegosaurus. And animals now, such as the armadillo and rhino, that are not predators. Also, the constantly changing camouflage of insects, etc. It's getting off topic a bit now, but I see nature as an ongoing struggle between God and Satan, with Satan trying his utmost to destroy and warp God's creation, and God giving some help back, genetically, until God finally does away with evil completely. If God didn't intervene on the DNA level, Satan would totally destroy everything before the Gospel could work out to completion. BTW, I hope we don't change this topic to evolution vs. creation. It will be my fault if we do. I hope we can stay on this interesting topic of resurrected animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallmark Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Many people have been extremely heartbroken over the loss of their pets. We love our dogs like most people love their kids. It would be a wonderful thing to have Jesus show us our new homes and have our resurrect pets greeting us as we went through the door. WOW! I know whatever He has for us will be fantastic, but I'm just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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