bonnie Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Where are the calls for gun control instead of cheers for this man? Dorner Fans Cheer Him On Twitter As Gunbattle Goes Down: 'Fight The Power', 'Go Dorner Go' by Kerry Picket 12 Feb 2013, 4:43 PM Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD officer suspected of shooting five people and killing three in Southern California, has barricaded himself in a cabin near the 7 Oaks area near Big Bear. According to reports, Dorner broke into the cabin, and tied up the couple who was living there and stole their white Dodge pickup truck.: Dorner crashed the truck and exchanged gunfire with the officers as he fled into a vacation cabin, where he was quickly surrounded by San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputies, the source said. The source said one deputy was wounded as Dorner fired out of the cabin and a second was injured when Dorner exited the back of the cabin, deployed a smoke grenade and opened fire again in an apparent attempt to flee. Dorner was driven back inside the cabin, the source said. Candy Martin, owner of the 84-year-old cabin, said she turned on the news and saw her cabin surrounded by police. It appeared Dorner was in the main cabin that is on the property with six smaller cabins. After two San Bernadino County sheriffs responded to the auto theft, they engaged in a shootout with Dorner. Dorner shot two deputies killing one of them, a source say told the L.A. Times: A dramatic daylight gunfight broke out Tuesday between law enforcement officers and a man they believe to be Christopher Dorner, the fugitive ex-cop wanted in three murders and a revenge shooting rampage across Southern California. The San Bernardino Sheriff's Department said at least two deputies were shot as authorities surrounded a cabin in the Big Bear ski resort area. One deputy died of his wounds at Loma Linda University Medical Center, sources told the Los Angeles Times. It was unknown whether Dorner, a Navy veteran who was fired from the Los Angeles Police Department, had been hit by gunfire. Dorner's supporters on Twitter continue to cheer him on despite the further bloodshed: Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 Can you post the link to this please. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 Can you post the link to this please. If really curious you can check out twitter.There is more than a little support for this crazy http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/...er-Go-Dorner-Go Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The guy was a cop. I think it would be silly to cheer for gun control in this situation. How would they even do it? Confiscate guns from the cops? You almost sound disappointed that people don't cheer for gun confiscation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 The guy was a cop. I think it would be silly to cheer for gun control in this situation. How would they even do it? Confiscate guns from the cops? You almost sound disappointed that people don't cheer for gun confiscation. No,wondering about the logic involved in cheering for this nut job that has killed innocent people with a gun and caused other PO to shoot more innocent people. Are their lives cut short by a gun less valuable than others that have died by a non-police officer nut job with a gun? Or is it a PO out of control with a gun he has been trained to use acceptable? Isn't it G.Britian that did not or don't have armed PO's? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Again, you sound puzzled that they don't take the view that you oppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 GB does have 'SWAT' type armed police officers for just such an occasion. It is true the routine everyday cop or detective is not armed in such a manner.But, they do seems to keep things under control and solve the issues of everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 Conversely, given that he's an armed individual who has taken on the government, it's a little surprising the 2nd Amendment enthusiasts aren't cheering him on. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 Conversely, given that he's an armed individual who has taken on the government, it's a little surprising the 2nd Amendment enthusiasts aren't cheering him on. Indeed. Wasn't this guy simply waging a one man revolution against his oppressors. This what guns are really for. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted February 13, 2013 Members Share Posted February 13, 2013 Conversely, given that he's an armed individual who has taken on the government, it's a little surprising the 2nd Amendment enthusiasts aren't cheering him on. Exactly Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 Conversely, given that he's an armed individual who has taken on the government, it's a little surprising the 2nd Amendment enthusiasts aren't cheering him on. Remembering that truth is important can you name one person here that has ever advocated the cold blooded murder this man has committed? The last I remember is this man killed three people. Any discussion on matters of this type generally center around those innocent involved in self defense. Not running around shooting someone because of a perceived grudge Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 Guns in the hands of this nut job result in the cheers by some.Doesn't seem to be guns that are the problem,but who is pulling the trigger that makes it "understandable and a cause to cheer" not the number of innocent bodies that pile up. Nut jobs with guns killing innocent people should elicit the same response.Banning guns or severely restricting them may have saved these people. Are they worth remembering? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzarkWoman Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Conversely, given that he's an armed individual who has taken on the government, it's a little surprising the 2nd Amendment enthusiasts aren't cheering him on. In the first place, he has not taken on the government. False logic on your part. Secondly, just because many of believe in the constitution of our nation does not mean that we are all for killing willy nilly like this nutcase. I would take up arms against the government as soon as the real government, not you fantasy one, takes up arms against the people of this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kevin H Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 Originally Posted By: Bravus Conversely, given that he's an armed individual who has taken on the government, it's a little surprising the 2nd Amendment enthusiasts aren't cheering him on. In the first place, he has not taken on the government. False logic on your part. Secondly, just because many of believe in the constitution of our nation does not mean that we are all for killing willy nilly like this nutcase. I would take up arms against the government as soon as the real government, not you fantasy one, takes up arms against the people of this country. Good post, there is a difference between defending yourself and this threatening to kill people and actually kill people being used to force people to confess that they did you wrong. This is not self defense. Nor was it the gun's fault, he could have used his car to run them over, or build bombs or poison them etc. He was the problem. However for the line about taking up arms against the government as soon as the government takes up arms against the people of this country; first of all right now with the new federal immigration and coustoms enformcement agency (ICE) and drones and all the amunition of hollow point bullets that our tax money is going to support this agency, we are rappidly approaching this situation. However as I understand the Bible and Mrs. White's predictions of dealing with this final world state and it's opposition is not a situation for us to bear arms. This is where we apply Paul's counsel about how to deal with Rome. First to study the Bible and pray. Read the Bible. Listen to the Bible on cd as we drive and do the dishes. Second, pray for the leaders. Third, instead of taking up arms against the oppressive world state, that we have to be ready to, like Jerusalem, be ready to flee. First fleeing to the country for a while where we need to become as self sufficient as we can. Wind and solor power, gardens. This is a wise time to start preparing if not doing. Then be ready to flee into the wilderness, knowing that among us there will be martyrs and there will be suffering. I understand the Bible and Mrs. White to teach that this crisis that is looming is to be dealt with by "Vengence is mine saith the Lord" rather than exercising our right to bear arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcah Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Why is this a gun issue, shouldn't it be a race issue? Or perhaps a dodge truck issue? I mean, if dodge trucks had GPS trackers then it would have been easier to find him. Quote -Jason Youtube.com/narcah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted February 13, 2013 Moderators Share Posted February 13, 2013 Originally Posted By: Bravus Conversely, given that he's an armed individual who has taken on the government, it's a little surprising the 2nd Amendment enthusiasts aren't cheering him on. In the first place, he has not taken on the government. False logic on your part. Secondly, just because many of believe in the constitution of our nation does not mean that we are all for killing willy nilly like this nutcase. I would take up arms against the government as soon as the real government, not you fantasy one, takes up arms against the people of this country. Actually, we are ALL nutcases to a greater or lesser degree. Thanks to our fallen condition. ESVÂ |Â ‎Is 1:5 "The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. ‎6 From the sole of the foot even to the head, there is no soundness in it, but bruises and sores and raw wounds; they are not pressed out or bound up or softened with oil." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted February 13, 2013 Members Share Posted February 13, 2013 Guns in the hands of this nut job result in the cheers by some.Doesn't seem to be guns that are the problem,but who is pulling the trigger that makes it "understandable and a cause to cheer" not the number of innocent bodies that pile up.Nut jobs with guns killing innocent people should elicit the same response.Banning guns or severely restricting them may have saved these people. Are they worth remembering? Not disagreeing Bonnie, but he's being considered a "nit job" after the fact. Up until this point he was a well respected Navy Seal, than a Cop. Than all of a sudden he goes beserk(sp). Obviously he must have been a little nuts before, but no one ever picked up on it. I once read a article that mentioned that each one of us has the (for lack of a better word) ability to go crazy or snap at any moment, depending on how we were raised. There were other factors involved, don't recall the whole article, its been a number of years ago. Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The guy was a cop. I think it would be silly to cheer for gun control in this situation. How would they even do it? Confiscate guns from the cops? You almost sound disappointed that people don't cheer for gun confiscation. Actually, I'm looking for consistency. Why is it a private citizen going rogue like this elicits calls for gun control, but a cop going rogue like this is cheered, with no calls for control? The hypocrisy is so thick on this situation. The very reason the Second Amendment exists is for people to be able to defend themselves in situations just like this: authority figures with the privilege of law going rogue against the private citizen. As for gun confiscation from cops...Great Britain, I hear, does such a very wonderful job without firearms. Cops going rogue like this, though, need to have a announcement forthcoming from their superiors revoking the privilege of law LEO's enjoy. This man is no more than a common criminal. That he is cheered by so many is an indicator just how messed up so many people are. Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Originally Posted By: bonnie Guns in the hands of this nut job result in the cheers by some.Doesn't seem to be guns that are the problem,but who is pulling the trigger that makes it "understandable and a cause to cheer" not the number of innocent bodies that pile up.Nut jobs with guns killing innocent people should elicit the same response.Banning guns or severely restricting them may have saved these people. Are they worth remembering? Not disagreeing Bonnie, but he's being considered a "nit job" after the fact. Up until this point he was a well respected Navy Seal, than a Cop. Than all of a sudden he goes beserk(sp). Obviously he must have been a little nuts before, but no one ever picked up on it. I once read a article that mentioned that each one of us has the (for lack of a better word) ability to go crazy or snap at any moment, depending on how we were raised. There were other factors involved, don't recall the whole article, its been a number of years ago. But the same can be said for many others who've committed mass slayings recently - a bit off, but otherwise peaceful, or even respected - until one day they snap. Why should this guy be looked at any different than these others? The gun control crowd has even tried to make guns off limits for veterans for just this reason - they may snap, and use their skills to harm people. Now, they cheer the guy on. What messed up nonsense... Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 Not disagreeing Bonnie, but he's being considered a "nit job" after the fact. Up until this point he was a well respected Navy Seal, than a Cop. Than all of a sudden he goes beserk(sp). Obviously he must have been a little nuts before, but no one ever picked up on it. I once read a article that mentioned that each one of us has the (for lack of a better word) ability to go crazy or snap at any moment, depending on how we were raised. There were other factors involved, don't recall the whole article, its been a number of years ago. It will be very strange if incidences of rage in this man has not shown itself before he decided to murder innocent people to "address his concerns." I don't believe that "any of us" have the ability to commit these kinds of acts.That is just smoothing over and saying this could be you(general) Nor do I believe that all that commit these acts are so mentally ill they cannot distinguish right from wrong Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted February 13, 2013 Members Share Posted February 13, 2013 But the same can be said for many others who've committed mass slayings recently - a bit off, but otherwise peaceful, or even respected - until one day they snap. Why should this guy be looked at any different than these others? Exactly my point. Most of these people who have done mass murders have no record. Yet they all have access to guns and all kinds of other weapons. I agree, this world is messed up. Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted February 13, 2013 Members Share Posted February 13, 2013 Actually, I'm looking for consistency. Why is it a private citizen going rogue like this elicits calls for gun control, but a cop going rogue like this is cheered, with no calls for control? The hypocrisy is so thick on this situation. But what you're doing is assuming that its the same people! My take is the ones cheering are the ones not for gun control! Cause as you say, they can't have it both ways! Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 Actually, I'm looking for consistency. Why is it a private citizen going rogue like this elicits calls for gun control, but a cop going rogue like this is cheered, with no calls for control? The hypocrisy is so thick on this situation. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 But what you're doing is assuming that its the same people! My take is the ones cheering are the ones not for gun control! Cause as you say, they can't have it both ways! It is very rare to find a conservative advocating or cheering violence and the death of anyone. It is also hard to find a liberal blog or forum that doesn't relish the idea,at least verbally of different conservatives being killed or dying Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 Up until this point he was a well respected Navy Seal, than a Cop. Than all of a sudden he goes beserk(sp). Obviously he must have been a little nuts before, but no one ever picked up on it. http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner Christopher Dorner was born in New York state and grew up in Los Angeles County, where he attended elementary school at Norwalk Christian School. At Cypress High School he beat-up one of his teachers.[2] Dorner graduated from Southern Utah University in 2001 with a major in political science and a minor in psychology where he was football running back from 1999 to 2000. Dorner is a former Naval Reserve lieutenant who was once deployed to Bahrain.[3] LAPD Dorner joined the Los Angeles Police Department in 2005, and completed police academy training in February 2006. He was on the streets of LA as a probationary officer before he was deployed as a reservist to Bahrain for 13 months. When he returned he was paired with Sergeant Theresa Evans to complete his probationary training. Evans reported Dorner began weeping in the patrol car and said he wanted to go back to the police academy for retraining. Evans gave him an unsatisfactory rating and requested that he be removed from the field until he showed improvement. The next day Dorner retaliated against the sergeant by falsely reporting Evans kicked a mentally ill suspect during an arrest several days earlier.[4] Three hotel employees who witnessed the incident were interviewed by detectives from the LAPD's internal affairs bureau and said they did not see the training officer kick the man. The investigator's report said: "The delay in reporting the alleged misconduct coupled with the witness’ statements irreparably destroy Dorner’s credibility, and bring into question his suitability for continued employment as a police officer."[5] Dorner was dismissed in 2008 for "making false statements about his training officer". Dorner was known as a "hot head" on the force and had a history of complaints against other officers.[6] Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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