OzarkWoman Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Originally Posted By: RLH How can ANYBODY who kows and understands, what SDAs are supposed to know and understand about bible prophecy, believe that gov't needs to be any bigger, and given even MORE power? It defies all logic, and normal thinking. Right wing Adventists typically like the government to have more power and money when it comes to the military, the police, and the security apparatus. Who are the people that will enforce the persecution that is talked about in prophesy? Doesn't that defy logic? WRONG once again. Why is it that you generalize everything? That is a dangerous thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Yes, your statement defies logic. You know why? Because it is patently false. It is almost funny tho. It must be those long dresses and hymns that make this true? Still haven't figured out the connection of long dresses and hymns but I don't know of SDA that believes as the accusations of Laz would have you believe. I am sure you could find some but it is hardly the norm except in the minds of some Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 14, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted March 14, 2013 Oh, so you all think we should cut the defense budget. Good! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Oh, so you all think we should cut the defense budget. Good! Yes,many of us think they should. Defense budget can be cut but that is an area that needs to be done with a little more care than say cutting the funding for finding out how alcohol affects Chinese prostitutes. But please,I cannot get what long dresses and hymns have to do with the Tea Party and SDA's.Would you be so kind as to explain Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 14, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted March 14, 2013 Typically, right wingers are in agreement with for example Paul Ryan's current budget that leaves the defense budget untouched but cuts sociall programs. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Typically, right wingers are in agreement with for example Paul Ryan's current budget that leaves the defense budget untouched but cuts sociall programs. Is it safe to assume you apply the same logic to the typical left winger,yourself included? You are an ardent supporter of Obama so then can I safely assume that you are in complete agreement with him? Any time funding and support of the government controls spending in ANYTHING there is a great deal that can safely be cut. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Typically, right wingers are in agreement with for example Paul Ryan's current budget that leaves the defense budget untouched but cuts sociall programs. Do you have anything other than straw men in your "attempts" to communicate with conservaties? ***shakes head*** Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Do you have anything other than straw men in your "attempts" to communicate with conservaties? ***shakes head*** Just curious joeb,have you figured out the connection between long dresses,hymns,tea party and SDA's? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 14, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted March 14, 2013 You are an ardent supporter of Obama so then can I safely assume that you are in complete agreement with him? Don't mistake an opponent of conservative hypocrisy for an ardent supporter of Obama. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Originally Posted By: joeb Do you have anything other than straw men in your "attempts" to communicate with conservaties? ***shakes head*** Just curious joeb,have you figured out the connection between long dresses,hymns,tea party and SDA's? What Lazarus reads from both main stream and blatantly left wing media sources? That's the only thing I can think of. His posts are progressive talking points with very little, if any, reality in them. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 What Lazarus reads from both main stream and blatantly left wing media sources? That's the only thing I can think of. His posts are progressive talking points with very little, if any, reality in them. I goggled and did find a connection at least those that are influenced towards anti-conservative christians by places like Spectrum. They make some pretty tortured,convoluted leaps to draw the picture of a conservative that they want to convince others of Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Don't mistake an opponent of conservative hypocrisy for an ardent supporter of Obama. Very little can be seen of your disagreement with Obama except for drones. Tell me,do you have a similar problem with liberal hypocrisy? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Typically, right wingers are in agreement with for example Paul Ryan's current budget that leaves the defense budget untouched but cuts sociall programs. Most right wingers I know would like to start here... How To Waste $100 Billion: Weapons That Didn't Work Out - Forbes Dec 19, 2011 ... This fiscal myopia is especially pronounced in the defense budget, where the government makes most of its capital investments. Cancellation ... www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson… Corporate Welfare Military Waste and Fraud - $172 billion a year Adding them together gives us a figure for total military spending-past and present-of $494 billion a year ($9 1/2 billion a week, $1 1/3 billion a day. Waste ... www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporate_Welfare/M… Audit of Pentagon Spending Finds $70 Billion in Waste - NYTimes.com Mar 29, 2011 ... The defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, has acknowledged that the Pentagon lacked discipline as its budget more than doubled after the 9/11 ... . www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/sequestrat… Military Spending Waste: Up To $60 Billion In Iraq, Afghanistan War ... Aug 30, 2011 ... Military Spending Waste: Up To $60 Billion In Iraq, Afghanistan War ... in Iraq and Afghanistan, government agencies should overhaul the way ... www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/military… $1 trillion missing : Military waste under fire May 18, 2005 ... The Pentagon's unenviable reputation for waste will top the ... Though Defense has long been notorious for waste, recent government reports ... "The Congress has increased defense spending from $300 billion to $400 billion ... www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8888.htm Congressman's Report: October 12, 1961 -- Military Spending ... MILITARY SPENDING -- LET'S STOP THE WASTE ... don't realize it but nearly 3 out of 5 dollars spent by our national government goes for national defense. www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/udall/cong… Warriors Against Waste: Cutting Defense Spending through Reform ... Jan 24, 2013 ... Warriors Against Waste: Cutting Defense Spending through Reform? Michael O' Hanlon: This is a heavy lift—no administration or Congress ... www.brookings.edu/events/2013/01/24-d… Report says $67.9 billion in defense budget is ... - The Boston Globe Nov 15, 2012 ... That waste includes conducting non-military research, running ... of Pentagon spending is a remarkably savory read for a government report. www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012… Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 25, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted March 25, 2013 Who are the Republicans who vote to cut defense spending? Who are the conservative commentators who encourage the cutting of defense spending? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Why are the Republicans who vote to cut defense spending?Who are the conservative commentators who encourage the cutting of defense spending? Where ever do you get your information??? Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Originally Posted By: lazarus Why are the Republicans who vote to cut defense spending?Who are the conservative commentators who encourage the cutting of defense spending? Where ever do you get your information??? Blessings, Maybe moveon.org and Huffington Post Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 25, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted March 25, 2013 Quote: Where ever do you get your information??? Blessings, So who are these people? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 That's not really information, Bonnie. I put those sites under the propaganda category... Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 That's not really information, Bonnie. I put those sites under the propaganda category... Blessings, I am really curious. What is it the Tea Party stands for that so annoys the left and causes so much spewing venom? Do they actually believe their own tripe that Tea party members want people to starve,not pay any taxes,stop all abortions but let the children born starve,hate gays because you are opposed to gay marriage,want a little more transparency from this admin that doesn't understand the meaning of the word. What is it,could it possibly be that they are afraid of losing their grip? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Originally Posted By: Ted Oplinger That's not really information, Bonnie. I put those sites under the propaganda category... Blessings, I am really curious. What is it the Tea Party stands for that so annoys the left and causes so much spewing venom? Do they actually believe their own tripe that Tea party members want people to starve,not pay any taxes,stop all abortions but let the children born starve,hate gays because you are opposed to gay marriage,want a little more transparency from this admin that doesn't understand the meaning of the word. What is it,could it possibly be that they are afraid of losing their grip? More than half of the "left" is completely unaware of what the leadership of their side is up to. They just parrot what their leadership says. They're the "low information" voters. The other part of the left really does agree with their leadership. They are radicals who want to destroy everything this country has stood for, and make this country into a third world, poverty-stricken, nation. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 26, 2013 Author Moderators Share Posted March 26, 2013 More than half of the "left" is completely unaware of what the leadership of their side is up to. They just parrot what their leadership says. They're the "low information" voters. The other part of the left really does agree with their leadership. They are radicals who want to destroy everything this country has stood for, and make this country into a third world, poverty-stricken, nation. Come on joeb, I heard rush say "low information voter" today. Whose the parrot? Whose the parrot? Whose the Parrot? Your main enemy is not the left. While the left and right are fighting each other a coup has taken place. The left-right show is to keep you distracted. Example: A teenager can end up in jail for a small bag of weed. No one at HSBC went to jail for laundering drug money. The corporations own the republic sir. Perhaps the situation in Cyprus will give you a clue as to who is really in control. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 More than half of the "left" is completely unaware of what the leadership of their side is up to. They just parrot what their leadership says. They're the "low information" voters. The other part of the left really does agree with their leadership. They are radicals who want to destroy everything this country has stood for, and make this country into a third world, poverty-stricken, nation. Joab, Don't know how long you have been reading in this forum but keep in mind if you say anything similar to what has been heard on radio,that settles it. You are incapable of coming to a conservative viewpoint without talk radio.Or for most of us beyond 20 that have been conservative long before there was talk radio or Tea Party it just shows how narrow minded you are. Some actually think being conservative is a new thing Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted May 9, 2013 Administrators Share Posted May 9, 2013 I think I missed this entertaining topic... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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