Neil D Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Consider a different viewpoint ladies and gents....this is not a prelude to a stoning...do that in the 'American politics" forum.....This is from an American and it basically says that the 4th is a pagan holiday...My thoughts were "Oh, yeah, right....NOT!" ...but then I read this article..... http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thepangeablog/2012/07/04/just-jesus-july-4th/ Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M. T. Cross Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I fail to see how any of that article points to "paganism" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Ya, wasn't sure myself what the real point of the whole op/ed piece was. A lot of thoughts and directions but not sure a path could tie them all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 So, how can July 4 be considered a just revolution? a just war? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 O.k. I'll bite. The taxes that England imposed were difficult to pay; not because they were so low, like the article states, but in the way they had to be paid; in British money--short supply and stamped paper, again in short supply. Plus England wanted the colonies to pay for their help in the French-Indian War, why? If the colonies were truly a part of England she was defending her interests if they were their own country then yes they should pay, so there was some confusion going on as to how England viewed them. The colonists had no voice whatsoever. From 1763 they sent missives to the King getting no answer and finally getting desperate in (I think) 1774 with the grievances letter. They felt like they were between a rock and a hard place. Remember that the colonies weren't united at this time, so all England would have had to do to avoid war was to recognize the Continental Congress that was being set up here and to put a member of them in parliament. Being completely ignored and told to cough up money that is hard to come by, makes for desperate times. When you see that all you have worked hard for, you are about to lose makes for desperate men. Another thing to remember, was that after the war, we tried to set up Washington as a king, so we didn't have this amazing new capitalistic system all worked out and then fought to make it happen, it was a work in progress. So in conclusion by the authors own definition of a "Just Cause of War" we fit the bill for the very first one. [1] 1) Just Cause: War is allowed only “to protect innocent life, to preserve conditions necessary for decent human existence, and basic human rights.” Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. G. Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 M. T. Cross doesn't see the connection with paganism. It seems he has never spent any time in the USA. Either that or he has become so desensitized to the culture... It's called worship of country, with the flag as an idol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted July 5, 2013 Administrators Share Posted July 5, 2013 We were talking here about how Canada got her freedom from England. It got given to her. Two different ways of accomplishing independence! Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Gail, how did Canada get her freedom? How did that all come about? What do you mean by "it got given to her"? Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierrepaul Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Just like the 13 Colonies, Canada had freedom long before she had independence. Quote God never said "Thou shalt not think". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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