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What Changed? Will the Court’s Same-Sex Marriage Cases Affect You?

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A few months ago, Michael Peabody, Juan Perla, Alexander Carpenter, and I discussed the pending oral arguments on the cases of Hollingsworth v. Perry and U.S. v. Windsor. The Supreme Court rendered 5-4 decisions in both cases yesterday and the two decisions in total are a fairly substantial victory for those who support the rights of gays to civilly marry in this country.[1]Certainly there are those who think the decisions went too far, and others who think the decisions did not go far enough. However, in both cases, I find the Court’s rationales to be fairly sound, from a legal perspective.

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By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1}
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Thanks Krause.

http://advindicate.com/articles/2013/6/27/should-government-define-marriage

It seems to me that our culture has changed considerably in the last thirty years. It used to be a matter of integrity to go into an essay, the Constitution or the Bible and find the meaning of a text - to find what the writer intended. It was found because the Author had put it there. Everybody knew that if a person wrote “no” and someone else creatively interpreted it to mean “yes,” something fraudulent had happened.

But we appear to have have fallen a long way from that integrity. In modern interpretation, it is common today to say that meaning is whatever you see. Thus, we see meaning in texts being created by scholars and preachers- in this case five Supreme Court Justices.

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Is there any reason to believe that Polygamy will not be next on the agenda? No longer is the basis for marriage "one"man and "one" woman.....Someone will spin it eventually... Nuff Sed.

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You bring up an interesting point 'nuff sed

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By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1}
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Is there any reason to believe that Polygamy will not be next on the agenda? No longer is the basis for marriage "one"man and "one" woman.....Someone will spin it eventually... Nuff Sed.

You are more correct than you know, NS. It was surprising to me to learn that Islam was happy to see homosexual marriage gain currency in America - until I learned why. They know polygamy is next.

According to the New York Times, polyamory is the next big thing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/fashion/05polyamory.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.livescience.com/27129-polyamory-good-relationships.html

http://sexandthestate.com/is-polyamorous-a-sexual-orientation/

And why not? As a culture we have already jettisoned the constraining biblical perimeter fence on marriage, which leaves room for an unlimited display of sexual ingenuity.

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Is there any reason to believe that Polygamy will not be next on the agenda? No longer is the basis for marriage "one"man and "one" woman.....Someone will spin it eventually... Nuff Sed.

Actually, it's pedophilia that's next on the agenda, then to be followed by polygamy. Some Islamic marriages are to very young girls, following the example of their prophet....and that can't be done here without running afoul of federal and state laws.

In addition, there is currently a national movement within psychology/psychiatry academics to remove the stigma of pedophilia and place it under the "sexual orientation" banner - just like what was done to homosexuality over 30 years ago. The debate will then center on what constitutes enlisted and proper consent in having sex with a child, as what is today considered a pervert is but hard-wired and oriented that way, and should not be prosecuted for what he/she naturally is.

My thoughts? Man's attempt to rip to shreds the Godly foundations of society, to replace it with a foundation of his own creation, is but doomed to failure.

"As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17

"The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings

"Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne

"The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan

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Adventists and Civil Society

The New Testament portrays the Christian community as uninterested in changing the legal foundations of society. (We read of the apostle Paul standing up for his legal 'rights.')

I believe that Adventists should have no interest in opposing, or supporting, gay rights in society. They should be treated justly, like any citizen of this land. I believe that we should be active in the study of related moral and health issues along with social compassion. Our task is to educate and promote God's Way through Christ.

Several of my homosexual friends are professed Christians and want nothing to do with polygamy, pedophilia, or the violence described in Sodom. They are the kindest, most caring people I know. I don't agree with their homosexuality but I see no harm in allowing them to live peaceably and protected from those who wish to do them harm. Their interest in being part of a loving monogamous relationship is commendable, IMO.

Adventist hospitals should lead the way in treating homosexual 'couples' with compassion; allowing for visitation rights, etc.

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The 'edit' function does not seem to be working.

This statement needs revising:

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I believe that Adventists should have no interest in opposing, or supporting, gay rights in society.

It should read:

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I believe that Adventists should have no interest in opposing, or supporting, gay rights in society. By this I mean that Adventists have no business oppressing the lives of people who are gay; legally or otherwise. If we can encourage society to treat them with respect and compassion, we should do so. This does not mean that we should change our standards of membership or leadership. But civil society should not oppress those who are gay.

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I am in favor of "civil unions" which allow for the "rights" of visitation etc., but I'm not in favor of changing the definition of "marriage" within this society. Next we will have Muslims and Mormons asking for polygamy.

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Excellent points Don777

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By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1}
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Like many Adventists, I do not agree in principle with same sex marriage. However, from a religious liberty and civil rights point of view, let them marry. I too wish their could be a different term instead of marriage. Maybe call them civil unions. But they should all the rights as heterosexual couples.

Another point of view is that heterosexual engage in a lot of sinful, terrible acts. Even anal sex. Are we crying against that. Adultery is legal in most places. Are we seeking to make laws to ban adultery.

The Christian's main role is to live the gospel and NOT to force the gospel on others. Same sex unions of some kind was during Christ's time also (at least we know there was homosexual behavior, orgies just for males, etc) But what was Christ's and Paul's admonition? Live for Jesus. Be the salt of the earth. Do not concern yourself with national legislation but with personal commitment. You see, personal censorship is what I like. Read my article on Pornography and Censorship http://www.soencouragement.org/pornorgraphyandcensorship.htm

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Like many Adventists, I do not agree in principle with same sex marriage. However, from a religious liberty and civil rights point of view, let them marry. I too wish their could be a different term instead of marriage. Maybe call them civil unions. But they should all the rights as heterosexual couples.

Another point of view is that heterosexual engage in a lot of sinful, terrible acts. Even anal sex. Are we crying against that. Adultery is legal in most places. Are we seeking to make laws to ban adultery.

The Christian's main role is to live the gospel and NOT to force the gospel on others. Same sex unions of some kind was during Christ's time also (at least we know there was homosexual behavior, orgies just for males, etc) But what was Christ's and Paul's admonition? Live for Jesus. Be the salt of the earth. Do not concern yourself with national legislation but with personal commitment. You see, personal censorship is what I like. Read my article on Pornography and Censorship http://www.soencouragement.org/pornorgraphyandcensorship.htm

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By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1}
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Also, I agree with Don777 100%. But some of you probably knew that.

Has anyone had a chance to catch a screening of the Seventh-Gay Adventist film?

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After poligamy, pedophilia then next would be legalized pot lifestyles..

Sanjay Gupta's pot confessional goes global

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/09/health/gupta-weed-reaction/index.html

I believe that this generation compared to that of 30 years ago is of far superior materialism and super narrow selt interest selfishness..

That guy who managed to have the courage to kick down the door of serial rapist Castro is so applauded for being able to have the bravery, when its so simply universally humanely appealing to anyone to help..

Ya.. Materialism has saturated the mind that people simply can't escape the endless abyss of never ending needs.. From the old goods to new ones.. From old styles to the latest.. And so on.. Till suddenly the door of the Ark has been shut..

The latest lifestyle that's in today is to play safe.. Never put yourself out onto a limb.. Be super faithful to yourself..

This gay movement by such a very tiny fracture of countries population.. Overwhelming the mainstream, only shows the traits of our age.. Of superior latest quality of indifference.. Of saving one's Ace of cards traits..

Test me with thy might but grant me safe passage. Now, who said that?

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McClurkin was “asked not to attend” the concert. In a lengthy video statement posted online Saturday, McClurkin said Gray “uninvited me from a concert that I was supposed to headline.”

“There should be freedom of speech as long as it’s done in love,” McClurkin said in the video, adding that he believes it is unfortunate that in today’s world, “a black man, a black artist is uninvited from a civil rights movement depicting the love, the unity, the peace, the tolerance.”

In 2002, McClurkin wrote on a Christian Web site that he struggled with homosexuality after he was molested by male relatives when he was 8 and 13. “I’ve been through this and have experienced God’s power to change my lifestyle,” he wrote. “I am delivered and I know God can deliver others, too.”

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In 2002, McClurkin wrote on a Christian Web site that he struggled with homosexuality after he was molested by male relatives when he was 8 and 13. “I’ve been through this and have experienced God’s power to change my lifestyle,” he wrote. “I am delivered and I know God can deliver others, too.”

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I believe John317 will agree with this. God can deliver each and every one of us no matter what sin it is.

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By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1}
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I am still very interested in the answer to my question. If someone can tell me please, what is the Biblical basis for believing that anal sex, in and of itself, is a sin?

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By the fruit (results) you will know...

I am sympathetic to teenagers who really do have a gender-identity issue. But, I can think of other reasons for a boy (heterosexual) to want to be in a girls' locker/shower room.

Time will tell as this allowance is practiced in reality.

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