Luke 10 : do this and you shall live.

[there buster]

Since this has nothing to do with buying a gun, I'm starting it here.

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1After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. 2He told them, "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. 3Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. 4Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road.

5"When you enter a house, first say, 'Peace to this house.' 6If a man of peace is there, your peace will rest on him; if not, it will return to you. 7Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.

8"When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. 9Heal the sick who are there and tell them, 'The kingdom of God is near you.' 10But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, 11'Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.' 12I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.

13"Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. 14But it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. 15And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths.

16"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

17The seventy-two returned with joy and said, "Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name."

18He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."

21At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

22"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

23Then he turned to his disciples and said privately, "Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. 24For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it."

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

30In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

36"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

37The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."

Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."

At the Home of Martha and Mary

38As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord's feet listening to what he said. 40But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, "Lord, don't you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!"

41"Martha, Martha," the Lord answered, "you are worried and upset about many things, 42but only one thing is needed. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her."

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I have bolded the portion someone is interested in, to wit, the parable of the Good Samaritan.

When it comes to parables, it is necessary to remember that a parable has one, and only one, primary point. The attempt to press details for meaning is to misunderstand the nature of parables.

We should note, to begin with, that this "expert in the law" was no simplistic legalist. When Christ inquired about the law, the "expert" (="lawyer" in KJV) replied with a fairly subtle answer. Not the 10C, but what Christ himself had elsewhere identified as the heart of the law.

Interestingly, this text makes it clear that both men were speaking of "torah" in the sense of "the whole of God's teaching," rather than any formal subset of that.

So the "expert" replies in terms of love; love to God and love to one's fellow man.

Jesus replied "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Apparently uncomfortable with the broad range of people he might be required to love, the expert seeks to narrow the field. "Who is my neighbor?"

The upshot of the parable is that anyone and everyone is your neighbor.

Being a Jew, the expert could hardly deny that the Levite and the priest were his neighbors, they were more, they were part of his extended family.

The parable makes it clear, and the expert agreed, that even a hated Samaritan might bey one's neighbor. If a Jew could be asked to love a Samaritan, he could be asked to love anyone. That's the point of the parable. And the meaning of Christ's teaching.

This is born out by the larger context of the chapter.

[Robert]

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Ed Dickerson said:

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

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Sorry, Edward...but the above is BEFORE the parable! Hence, you still haven't answered what Christ meant by "Do this and you will live."

Christ repeated a similar phrase to the rich young man:

Matt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life [obtain eternal life], keep the commandments.

[Gerr]

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When it comes to parables, it is necessary to remember that a parable has one, and only one, primary point. The attempt to press details for meaning is to misunderstand the nature of parables.

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[:"blue"]Who says that a parable has one, and ONLY one primary point? [/]

Gerry

[there buster]

Sorry, Robert, but I keep overestimating your knowledge, and actual desire to understand the text.

If you actually read the text, you'll see that he repeats the same advice at the end.

Do this and you shall live?

When the lawyer asks, "Who is my neighbor?" He's asking, to whom and when shall I do these things.

The final words are, "Go and do likewise."

You continually want to wander away from this text to any other that strikes your fancy.

You're free to do it, but it shows me you're not a serious Bible student. I don't have time to play games with you.

Farewell.

[there buster]

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Who says that a parable has one, and ONLY one primary point?

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Grammar, syntax, logic, context, experience, every Bible teacher I ever had, the nature of reality.

No man can serve two masters.--Jesus

In business, more than one goal is no goals-- Robert Townsend

When you come to a fork in the road, take it.--Yogi Berra

Oh, wait, but you have to tak ONE or the OTHER.

One will always take priority. The same is true of a parable, or any coherent narrative.

There may be auxiliary, dependent, or related points, but by the simple nature of language itself, only one primary point.

Try looking primary up in the dictionary.

[Gerr]

So, what was the ONE and ONLY ONE point of the story of the prodigal son?

What is the grammar/syntax that tells me there is one, and only one point in the story?

Is it not just as logical to say that the story has several points to tell us?

It is my observation and experience that what we see as the main point to a story depends to a large degree where we're coming from.

Gerry

[Robert]

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Ed Dickerson said:

The final words are, "Go and do likewise."

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You know, sometimes I wonder if you can read the context. It's very simple....Here, let me help you once again:

• “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

"What must I do" implies just that...doing something in return for eternal life! This is very similar to the rich young man who asked, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” [see Matt 19:16]

In both questions Christ gives these men the law:

1] "if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments"

2] What is written in the law? [i.e., what does the law say?] How do you read?”

As to the context of number 2...after the lawyer answered, Christ said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.”

Paul uses this same phrase in Gal 3:10:

For as many as are of the works of the Law [eternal life by works] are under a curse

Why?

for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, [:"red"]to perform them[/].”

That's because "the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them [the rules] by them he shall live."

The point here is that God will use the law - the old covenant - in order to break those who are proud of their own righteousness.

In other words if you ask Him what "good thing" must I do to gain heaven, He will asked you - "What does the law say?"

The context of Luke 10 shows that the expert in the law wanted to reduce the demands of the law....Instead, through the parable, Christ pointed out that the law also demands that you love your enemies.

You have a lot to learn,

Rob

[Amelia]

Ed and Rob, read my lips. STOP belittling each other and your words. Stick to the topic and be civil.

[Robert]

If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. [Romans 12:18]

If Ed will cease with the sarcastic words, so will I. He usually starts…and I end up giving him some of his own medicine back!

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[Robert]

• "For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law [:"red"]shall live [:"black"] by that righteousness." [Romans 10:5]

  "Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them[:"red"] will by them live.[:"black"] I am the LORD." [:"green"][Lev 18:5][:"black"]

  "I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, for the man who obeys them [:"red"] will by them live."[:"black"] [:"green"][Ez 20:11][:"black"]

  Luke 10:25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; [:"red"]do this, and you will live.”[:"black"]

  Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for “He who through faith is righteous shall live”; 12 but the law does not rest on faith, for “He who does them [:"red"]shall by them live.”[:"black"]

Does EGW agree?

• The terms of the "old covenant" were, [:"red"]Obey and live[:"black"] "If a man do, he shall even live in them" [:"green"](Ezekiel 20:11; Leviticus 18:5)[:"black"]; but "cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them." Deuteronomy 27:26.

[Gerr]

You will never ever find a verse in Scripture that pronounces a blessing to those who break the law! either in the OT or NT. The New Covenant has not given anyone any license to break the 10c. The NT "The wages of sin is death..." Rom 6:23, echoes the OT, "The soul who sins shall die." Ez 18:4.

"Christ does not lessen the claims of the law. In unmistakable language He presents obedience to it as the condition to eternal life -- the same condition that was required of Adam before his fall. The Lord expects no less of the soul now than He expected of man in Paradise, perfect obedience, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as the requirement made in Eden - harmony with God's law, which is holy, just, and good." COL p. 391.

Gerry

[Robert]

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Gerry Cabalo said:

"Christ does not lessen the claims of the law. In unmistakable language He presents obedience to it as the condition to eternal life -- the same condition that was required of Adam before his fall. The Lord expects no less of the soul now than He expected of man in Paradise, perfect obedience, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as the requirement made in Eden - harmony with God's law, which is holy, just, and good." COL p. 391.

Gerry

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  "But that which God required of Adam in paradise before the fall, He requires in this age of the world from those who would follow Him,--perfect obedience to His law. But righteousness without a blemish can be obtained only through [:"red"]the imputed righteousness of Christ."[:"black"]

  "The righteousness by which we are justified is imputed; the righteousness by which we are sanctified is imparted." [FLB 116]

[Robert]

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Robert said:

"The righteousness by which we are justified

is imputed

; the righteousness by which we are sanctified is imparted." [FLB 116]

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  "The danger has been presented to me again and again of entertaining, as a people, false ideas of justification by faith [God's imputed righteousness]. I have been shown for years that Satan would work in a special manner to confuse the mind on this point. The law of God has been largely dwelt upon and has been presented to congregations, almost as destitute of the knowledge of Jesus Christ and His relation to the law as was the offering of Cain. I have been shown that many have been kept from the faith because of the mixed, confused ideas of salvation, because the ministers have worked in a wrong manner to reach hearts. The point that has been urged upon my mind for years is [:"red"]the imputed righteousness of Christ[:"black"]. I have wondered that this matter was not made the subject of discourses in our churches throughout the land, when the matter has been kept so constantly urged upon me, and I have made it the subject of nearly every discourse and talk that I have given to the people."

This false idea is that we are saved by what Christ did 2000 years ago ("imputed" righteousness) + by what Christ does in us after conversion ("imparted" righteousness).

That means we are partially saved by His imputed righteousness and partially by our law obedience or His imparted righteousness. This doctrine is of Satan!

We are saved by what Christ did in our fallen humanity! This makes us just before God's law because "in Christ" we have met all the requirements of the law.

In the judgment Jesus will use His imparted righteousness, exhibited by the believer as he walks in the Spirit, to prove that his faith was genuine.

[Gerr]

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This false idea is that we are saved by what Christ did 2000 years ago ("imputed" righteousness) + by what Christ does in us after conversion ("imparted" righteousness).

That means we are partially saved by His imputed righteousness and partially by our law obedience or His imparted righteousness. This doctrine is of Satan!

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[:"blue"]Agreed that being saved by the imputed righteousness of Christ PLUS OUR law obedience is Satanic doctrine. However, the claim that one is saved by God pronouncing a wicked person righteous without making that person actually righteous makes God a liar. Therefore this is equally Satanic doctrine.

[:"red"]"Pursue peace with all people, and HOLINESS, without which NO ONE WILL see the Lord." Heb 14:14 NKJ. [/] [/]

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We are saved by what Christ did in our fallen humanity! This makes us just before God's law because "in Christ" we have met all the requirements of the law.

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[:"blue"]The Second Commandment is: You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain." Ex 20:7 NKJ.

To claim to have taken the name of Christ, to claim to have met all the requirements of law in Christ while LIVING in denial of that claim is perversion of the gospel of the highest order. To take that holy Name without corresponding holy living is hypocrisy of the highest order. Read what Jesus says about hypocrites/stage players. [/]

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In the judgment Jesus will use His imparted righteousness, exhibited by the believer as he walks in the Spirit, to prove that his faith was genuine.

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[:"blue"]And if there is no evidence of a sanctified life? Is that person still saved? NO? Then the claim of an imputed righteousness alone doesn't do anyone any good does it? [/]

Gerry

[Robert]

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In the judgment Jesus will use His imparted righteousness, exhibited by the believer as he walks in the Spirit, to prove that his faith was genuine.

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Gerry said:

[:"blue"]And if there is no evidence of a sanctified life? Is that person still saved? NO? Then the claim of an imputed righteousness alone doesn't do anyone any good does it?

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If there's no evidence of genuine fruit in the life then either that person was never saved (and therefore his so-called faith was a sham) or he at one time did accept Christ, but somewhere in his walk said goodbye to faith while looking Christian in front of his peers. This we cannot decide...only God knows.

The reason for Ed starting the post is because on another post he said one needs to take the Bible just as it reads. For instance if God says He kills then, according to him, I need to take that at face value. If God calls Job blameless, well, again...God said it and I need to accept it as gospel.

That's when I brought up what God said to the rich young men and the expert at the law. Both of these man asked what good thing they could to gain heaven. Both were given the law or "obey and live/disobey and die". So according to Ed, I need to take it just as it reads! Only problem is that denies justification by faith [read Gal 3:10-12]

The truth is Christ will use the law to break of us of our attitude that we can gain heaven through our own righteousness. When we are humbled, then He will imputed His righteousness accepted by faith. Then we begin to make progress as we learn to walk in the Spirit, revealed through His imparted righteousness.

The reason people will be lost isn't because of the lack of His imparted righteousness in the life. No....The reason is because he/she never really needed Christ's imputed righteousness. They are lost because they refused to believe....The proof? Self-righteous works...that mask/hypocrisy that you spoke of instead!

That's the group Christ speaks of when He says, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

[Robert]

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The reason for Ed starting the post is because on another post he said one needs to take the Bible just as it reads. For instance if God says He kills then, according to him, I need to take that at face value. If God calls Job blameless, well, again...God said it and I need to accept it as gospel.

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Well, well, well...Ed just sent me a private message. I tried replying, but I couldn't because, I guess, he made it that way.

Ed, you charge me with name calling, etc, but YOU are the one that doesn't play well with others. I've tried to be at peace with you, but instead you come off with this snotty attitude and insist that you are the man with the credentials. I for one am sick of this attitude.

If you wish to engage me, do so...but stick to the OVERALL context and leave your snobbery out of the equation. If you practice this you won't have any problems from me.

[Stan]

sigh......

It continues to baffle me, that these seem to be made so personal....

I do think that Ed and Robert both bring a lot to the table. However one has to eat at the Dinner and the other at Supper table... Otherwise there may be a mashed pototo fight

I am trying to go into the depth of pithy expressions, something that will have everyone say "O yeah, that makes sense" now we can all eat at the same table at the same time.. BUT "I got nothin' "

[Robert]

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one has to eat at the Dinner and the other at Supper table... Otherwise there may be a mashed pototo fight

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I'll just eat a hearty breakfast and skip the other two meals.... :2cents:

[Gerr]

"Mashed pototo"? Never heard of it. What does it look like? :-)

Gerry

[Stan]

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"Mashed pototo"? Never heard of it. What does it look like? :-)

Gerry

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It is very similar to the Irish Potato.. only cheaper