Members phkrause Posted April 12, 2014 Members Share Posted April 12, 2014 The Bureau of Land Management said Saturday it will stop the roundup of cattle owned by Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy. Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/tea-par...2#ixzz2yhvNupTE Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narcah Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I can't stand that freeloading law breaking welfare rancher bundy. Quote -Jason Youtube.com/narcah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I can't stand that freeloading law breaking welfare rancher bundy. I think you will be seeing a lot more of this behavior. With the overreach of the federal government in the past few years,people are getting really angry. At times justified and at times not The BLM agency has created many problems for those that do abide by the law. Bundy happened to be one that right or wrong was going to challenage this.People here the powerful government "harassing" a private citizen and they look for the nearest bandwagon to jump in. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 27, 2014 Moderators Share Posted April 27, 2014 I can't stand that freeloading law breaking welfare rancher bundy. I actually feel sorry for him. He didn't get any media training and now that he's messed up his GOP buddies are running for the hills. phkrause 1 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 28, 2014 Author Members Share Posted April 28, 2014 Originally Posted By: Narcah I can't stand that freeloading law breaking welfare rancher bundy. I actually feel sorry for him. He didn't get any media training and now that he's messed up his GOP buddies are running for the hills. I'm with you! Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'm with you! All that has to be done is make the charge of racism and the real issues get lost. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 28, 2014 Moderators Share Posted April 28, 2014 No charges necessary. He has condemned himself. But at least he spoke his mind. phkrause 1 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 No charges necessary. He has condemned himself. But at least he spoke his mind. What? Has his statement made his actions in this matter more right or more wrong. Most people that took up his cause seems to have done do because of what they see as an over reach of the federal government. That has what to do with whether his is a racist or made a careless remark without further clarifying what he meant? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 28, 2014 Moderators Share Posted April 28, 2014 Even hannity and Fox don't feel able to defend him anymore. Shooting and foot are two that come to mind concerning Bundy. phkrause 1 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Even hannity and Fox don't feel able to defend him anymore. Shooting and foot are two that come to mind concerning Bundy. Having a racial prejudice is not a crime. At the very least it is stupid,but not a crime. Was Bundy initially being defended because race didn't enter into it? How silly. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 28, 2014 Moderators Share Posted April 28, 2014 Having a racial prejudice is not a crime. At the very least it is stupid,but not a crime. Was Bundy initially being defended because race didn't enter into it? How silly. Who said it was a crime? LOL. You can defend him all you want. That's not a crime either. phkrause 1 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Who said it was a crime? LOL. You can defend him all you want. That's not a crime either. Actually I don't defend him. Haven't since the beginning. Most people that have some sympathy is more about government overreach. His story as to why he objects so strongly doesn't hold water. Other states are concerned about federal land grabs. I believe that was something he could trade on and garner sympathy. Whether he is a racist doesn't have anything to do with the right or wrong of his actions and yet that is now the issue Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 For most people that sided with Bundy the following is the issue. Texas Warns Obama to Back Down on Plot for “Illegal” Land Grab Written by Alex Newman font size decrease font size increase font size Print E-mail Texas Warns Obama to Back Down on Plot for “Illegal” Land Grab With the public already steaming over the increasingly lawless and out-of-control federal government, top Texas officials on both sides of the aisle were quick to react after recent reports suggested the Obama administration’s Bureau of Land Management was plotting yet another unconstitutional land grab. This time, the BLM is reportedly eying some 90,000 acres along the Red River on the Texas-Oklahoma border. From the governor’s office to the attorney general to the legislature, however, the message from Texans was loud and clear: “Don’t Mess With Texas.” Already facing nationwide outrage and criticism over its extreme tactics at the Bundy ranch in Nevada, the BLM, of course, was quick to deny the reports — sort of. It issued a dubious statement claiming that the administration was not actually planning any more new heists. “The BLM is not — I can say categorically — not seeking to seize any privately held land along the Red River,” bureau “Public Affairs Specialist” Paul McGuire was quoted as saying, with the double-negative presumably unintentional. However, there are some caveats, it seems. According to news reports, the BLM claims that even though citizens have been buying, selling, and using certain lands between the middle of the Red River and its south gradient bank, that area is not in fact private property. A 1988 court ruling against a landowner there, in which he lost a significant chunk of his property to authorities, apparently gives the federal government “precedent.” No “comprehensive land survey” by the BLM has yet been performed, officials said, but agency is now taking some “initial steps.” The BLM claims that it is simply creating a “resource management plan” while engaged in a broader, multi-state “review” of the lands it claims to own. It is also working to help determine the boundary between supposed “federal” land and private property. “What we are trying to do,” the BLM “public affairs specialist” claimed, “is to determine how and whether these lands can be managed for the benefit of the American people.” That language alone, though, sparked more alarm. Either way, at the highest levels of state government, Republican and Democrat officials across Texas indicated that they were not buying the BLM’s denials. Top Lone Star State leaders also said it appeared that the federal agency was threatening private-property owners in the region by claiming ownership over private land that has been owned, maintained, and cultivated by Texans for generations. Responding to the reports of more potential land grabs, top officials promptly put their foot down. “It’s not a dare, it’s a promise that we’re going to stand up for private property rights in the state of Texas,” Republican Gov. Rick Perry told Fox News, adding that the federal government was “out of control” and would be resisted in the Lone Star State if it tried to steal more private property. “The federal government already owns too much land.” Gov. Perry’s deputy, meanwhile, went further, accusing the administration of flaunting the law in its mad grab for more land and power. “The federal government's history of arrogant overreach is approaching a new low with the Bureau of Land Management's threat to confiscate up to 90,000 acres of Texas land,” Lt. Governor David Dewhurst said in a statement, calling for a lawsuit to stop the BLM’s “illegal” abuses. “This outrageous, illegal act makes my blood boil as it should for every Texan who believes in the sanctity of private land ownership.” It is not the first time, though, that Texan landowners have been abused by the BLM. “This is a federal land-grab, pure and simple and the BLM has done it before,” Dewhurst continued, referencing the agency’s seizure of another landowner’s property on the Red River some 30 years ago. “Taking private property away from Texas families, who in some cases have paid taxes on the property for over 100 years since they assumed ownership from the State of Texas, is entirely unacceptable.” Like other prominent elected officials from Texas, Dewhurst, a former Texas land commissioner, has also called for Obama to be impeached. Liberty-minded Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, who is also the front-runner in the race for governor and has earned a national reputation for standing up to federal abuses, offered the most forceful rebuke of the BLM so far. “I am about ready to go to the Red River and raise a ‘Come and Take It’ flag to tell the feds to stay out of Texas,” the popular figure told Breitbart Texas in one of a series of powerful public statements in the media warning the administration not to mess with Texas or Texan property owners. “This is the latest line of attack by the Obama Administration where it seems like they have a complete disregard for the rule of law in this country,” he added. “And now they’ve crossed the line quite literally by coming into the State of Texas and trying to claim Texas land as federal land. And, as the Attorney General of Texas I am not going to allow this.” In an interview on Fox News, Abbott also threatened to battle the BLM in court if needed, expressing optimism for success. Separately, in a stinging letter to BLM boss Neil Kornze — a former staffer for scandal-plagued Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) — Abbott demanded to know what the agency was thinking. “I am deeply concerned about the notion that the Bureau of Land Management believes the federal government has the authority to swoop in and take land that has been owned and cultivated by Texas landowners for generations,” he wrote, asking a series of questions that the BLM chief must respond to. “The BLM’s newly asserted claims to land along the Red River threaten to upset long-settled private property rights and undermine fundamental principles — including the rule of law,” the attorney general added in his letter. “Yet, the BLM has failed to disclose either its full intentions or the legal justification for its proposed actions. Decisions of this magnitude must not be made inside a bureaucratic black box.” In a strong show of bipartisanship, even the radical Democrat candidate for Texas governor, Wendy Davis, blasted the BLM machinations. “Wendy Davis strongly opposes any potential seizure of private property” from Texans to the BLM, declared a statement released by her campaign communications director. Other Democrat lawmakers in Texas have gone even further, pushing for a bipartisan review of the federal government’s anti-property rights machinations in the next legislative session. On the ground along the Red River, Lone Star State landowners, too, have expressed alarm. In a phone interview with The New American, property owner and rancher Scott Carpenter of Nocona, Texas, warned that Americans should stand up against the BLM and the harm it is doing. “At this moment, we are not in the 116-mile stretch, it’s 20 miles from us, but if this would take place, it would set precedent and they could just continue down river,” he said. “If they’ve already sunk their teeth in, what would stop the government from coming in and taking our property, too, so we’re in danger also.” Carpenter said the federal agency, which many critics argue is not authorized by the Constitution and is therefore unconstitutional, has been operating in a bizarre and suspicious manner in the region. “The BLM has yet to come out and say what exactly their plans are for using this property,” he said, praising Texas’ elected officials for immediately stepping in to protect the people and their rights. “They are being very tight lipped about this, very cloak and dagger about it.” While he is not yet sure what the BLM is plotting, “obviously it’s not for hospitals and highways, it’s just a land grab. I don’t know, maybe they’re after land rights, water rights, or mineral rights, too.” He said a lot of the land the BLM appears to be eying “for their overreaching” has “been in these families for generations.” It is even bigger than that, too. “It’s more than just a loss of acreage. It’s a loss of food, of revenue to the producers; then you lose tax base for local schools and county governments, and that means fewer jobs for teachers, fewer jobs for everybody,” he said. “The whole economy will suffer — if there’s not as many dollars, not as many people, that affects everyone.” It is time for people to do something about it, though. “I believe the American people are tired of our government — especially this administration — constantly overreaching,” Carpenter continued. “Private property rights being taken away, now the EPA has changed the Clean Water Act to take more control of our land; it’s always more and more regulations — and they just won’t stop.” The rancher said other states should look at how Texas has responded when the federal government tries to overreach. “We don’t have to lay there and play dead and just accept whatever they’re wanting to do to us,” Carpenter concluded. “We need to work together. We live in a free country. We have to use our ability to vote to put leaders in office who have the same mindset as we do as Americans.” Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 14 Author Members Share Posted April 14 10 years after armed standoff with federal agents, Bundy cattle are still grazing disputed rangeland BUNKERVILLE, Nev. (AP) — The words “Revolution is Tradition” stenciled in fresh blue and red paint mark a cement wall in a dry river wash beneath a remote southern Nevada freeway overpass, where armed protesters and federal agents stared each other down through rifle sights 10 years ago. https://apnews.com/article/bundy-ranch-standoff-nevada-cattle-ffff74b4e3224fb596e6bb735cedef98? Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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