nuff sed Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 As Dennis Prager observed...If Hamas decided to quit fighting there would be no more war there. Say what you want. Israel is NOT the aggressor in this conflict. If it must take preventive action to defend itself so be it. Nuff Sed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted August 12, 2014 I was surprise and disappointed when I learned that Pres. Jimmy Carter was against Israel and wants Hamas to be recognized as a legitimate government organization. How naiive can Pres. Carter be! Here's an interesting tidbit: Washington Times: Carter's Hamas Support Based on 'Grudge' Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Jimmy-Carter-Hamas-Israel-Reagan/2014/08/11/id/588037#ixzz3A8CqBSZZ Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Saw an interview recently with an Islamic woman from Nigeria, I think, now living in USA. Militants care nothing about the deaths of people because they believe that they will be resurrected into a better life. There will be a resurrection, according to the Good Book, after which nearly all of humanity will have the opportunity to choose their master, be it YHVH or Satan. Our life here is just a tiny dot on the timeline of the universe. If we make the right choice after the resurrection, that dot could stretch out forever. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted August 12, 2014 Moderators Share Posted August 12, 2014 As Dennis Prager observed...If Hamas decided to quit fighting there would be no more war there. Say what you want. Israel is NOT the aggressor in this conflict. If it must take preventive action to defend itself so be it. Nuff Sed I'm never really sure if Dennis Praeger really believes what he says of if he's just a propagandist. He is certainly annoyingly insensitive. Israel's recent "defense" of itself has only multiplied the number of its enemies. South Africa's apartheid regime did not end because it was defeated on the battle field or even at the ballot box but because of its pariah status. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Or any other war in which Christianity initiated!! I reckon it depends on which side you are on!! Really? You think Christianity has initiated wars? How so? I think that people have initiated wars under the guise of Christianity, but Christianity itself has never initiated a war. Methinks you need to learn to distinguish the difference between Christianity and those who would use a profession of it for their own purposes. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Quote: I think that people have initiated wars under the guise of Christianity, but Christianity itself has never initiated a war. I know the difference, but your statement above needs clarification......how does a person define Christianity? Is it an agreed upon definition? Absolutely christians, and well meaning, have started conflicts. Is your life perfect? Are your conflicts always on the side of God? Who is perfect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted August 12, 2014 Moderators Share Posted August 12, 2014 Really? You think Christianity has initiated wars? How so? I think that people have initiated wars under the guise of Christianity, but Christianity itself has never initiated a war. Methinks you need to learn to distinguish the difference between Christianity and those who would use a profession of it for their own purposes. Of course Christianity itself cannot initiate wars, it's an ideology, but a key feature of the history of Christianity is the fighting of wars. Christian Presidents and Prime Ministers of many countries have called upon the name of God as they have declared war against their and we assume God's enemies. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Minorities in Syria are being tortured to death and beheaded in Syria and Iraq. What should Christians do? Call for the armed forces and a bombing campaign to put a stop to it or simply commit to praying for those people and hope that things get better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted August 13, 2014 Moderators Share Posted August 13, 2014 What should Christians do? Call for the armed forces and a bombing campaign to put a stop to it or simply commit to praying for those people and hope that things get better? Armed forces, Bombing V Prayer and Hope. What has become of Christianity? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 What is it that you think should be done about it Lazarus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted August 14, 2014 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2014 What is it that you think should be done about it Lazarus? By "it" I assume you mean the civil war in Syria and Isis in Iraq. Why do you think something has to be done about it? We should do what is being done about the civil wars in Africa. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Quote: We should do what is being done about the civil wars in Africa. Oh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted August 14, 2014 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2014 'No True Scotsman' fallacy all over this thread. When Muslims kill it's because they're Muslims, when Christians kill it's because they're human. Right. We're all human together. Sooner we realise this, sooner we have any chance at peace. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So what you suggest is to simply do nothing at all and ignore the cries for help being made by the people that are being butchered? Perhaps not unlike the tale of the Good Samaritan, to sight the person in distress and pass on by and offer no assistance at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I don't believe he saying 'do nothing', he is pointing out the policy differences based on the country and its people. I suppose you could say it sounds rather 'tongue in cheek'....at least to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 It seems that in our time Christians tend to be those who are persecuted, driven from their homes, or killed by militant Muslims, rather than the other way around. Christians tend to be good citizens who respect the property and lives of others, while barbaric militant Muslims kill the defenseless and take their homes and possessions, parading the severed heads of their hapless victims who wouldn't convert to their particular, nasty brand of Islam. As Jesus might say, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing." Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted August 14, 2014 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2014 Um... no. What of the 100,000 or more Iraqis killed by Christians in the invasion of Iraq? More double standards. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 15, 2014 Author Members Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hamas' Phony Statistics on Civilian Deaths Reliable sources say half of those killed were combatants. http://www.aish.com/jw/me/Hamas-Phony-Statistics-on-Civilian-Deaths.html Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted August 15, 2014 Moderators Share Posted August 15, 2014 Reliable sources say half of those killed were combatants. Only 900 civilians killed then and that means......? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Dead is dead, of course, whether by bombs, bullets, or machetes. Even though the US had no business invading Iraq or Afghanistan, the wars weren't started by Christians intent on killing Muslims, but by the USA's military-industrial complex wanting military bases in those countries. ISIS may not have taken over Iraq if Saddam Hussein were still around to defend his country. We don't see a specific radical militant Christian entity spewing "Death to Islam" or "Death to Iraqis" in jihad hate speeches. Neither do we see radical militant Israelis spewing "Death to Gazans" in jihad hate speeches. If militant Christians started a war and were storing and launching rockets from schools, churches, and hospitals, they would fully expect a lot of deaths when their enemies responded by bombing their rocket launchers and infrastructure located in populated areas. Christ would have had no part in war and bloodshed in his time, and neither should those who fancy/fancied themselves Christians ever since. What happens in this life is nothing compared to the irrevocable choices we must make after the resurrection. Militant Muslims believe a better life awaits them, while non-Muslims are only garbage, a waste of planetary resources. Kill the non-Muslims off and the world will be a better place, but only if Muslim sects can stop killing each other. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 16, 2014 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2014 Originally Posted By: pkrause Reliable sources say half of those killed were combatants. Only 900 civilians killed then and that means......? That means to me, 1 dead is 1 to many, but the fact is, as the saying goes once a liar always a liar!! Check this out: An Open Letter to Wolf Blitzer Re: Blood Libels Jews are in denial about anti-Semitism. http://www.aish.com/jw/s/An-Open-Letter-to-Wolf-Blitzer-Re-Blood-Libels.html?s=feat Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 16, 2014 Author Members Share Posted August 16, 2014 The Mysterious Missing Rocket Photos Journalists in Gaza are intimidated and threatened by Hamas. http://www.aish.com/jw/mo/The-Mysterious-Missing-Rocket-Photos.html Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Still in silence on the question as to what you would do Lazarus are you going to leave us with only the sound of Crickets chirping perhaps? . . . . Meanwhile, Australia has organized 4000 refugee places for Iraqi Yazidis and Christians and are beginning to transport them to Australia. France has stepped up with a number or refugee places also. How many other nations are going to stand up and give these people a hand, or how many will simply take the view espoused above and like the case of the wounded man and the Samaritian, simply look on and do nothing? http://christiantoday.com.au/article/aus...orror/17800.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 With Rifle and Baby in Hand Hamas’ perversely brilliant strategy in using human shields should serve as a wakeup call to all of humanity. http://www.aish.com/ci/s/With-Rifle-and-Baby-in-Hand.html How many square feet is Gaza? If Hamas wanted to put their offensive weapons away from civilian areas, where would they put them (where there are no civilians)? Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Would you demand that your government allow your home and town to be attacked because the attackers were using human shields? Exodus 23:7 "Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked." Genesis 18:23 "Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?" Genesis 18:25 "That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked...?" Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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