TruthSeeker123 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The church recently launched the End It Now campaign where "It" refers to woman and child abuse. What I would like to know is how do we minister, what do we say, to someone who lives with an abusive husband or wife? Because morally they cannot divorce their spouse since Jesus said that divorce is lawful only when adultery has been committed (Matt 5:31-32). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 A rabbi friend said that abuse is adultery. Adultery is broader than what is often thought of. EGW, later on her life, told women to get their kids and get out of that house. LifeHiscost 1 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted September 3, 2014 Members Share Posted September 3, 2014 TS, you might want to take a look at this recent thread: Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Hi TS, what the woman does that is being abused does is call the police and have full charges laid over it. There is no situation where any woman or man for that matter should be expected to stay in a situation where they are being physically abused. My suggestion would be that charges be laid and the abuser jailed. Then the wife has every right to divorce the abuser for abandonment. Ed Silvoso's church in Argentina deals with this in a slightly different way. When they become aware that a woman in their church is being physically abused by her husband, they relocate the woman and the children to a safe house. Then the husband does not get to see them again until he has been placed into a counseling program and demonstrates real change. I also think that is a reasonable suggestion if a marriage is to be saved if that is the wish of the parties involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted September 14, 2014 Moderators Share Posted September 14, 2014 In the Secular world, the Vice President of the United States has released this weekend a statement on the Violance Against Women Act that is interesting reading. http://time.com/3319325/joe-biden-violence-against-women/ Quote Gregory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted September 14, 2014 Members Share Posted September 14, 2014 Yes it was Gregory, thanks for posting Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted September 14, 2014 Members Share Posted September 14, 2014 this is reminding me of a situation that existed between 1895 and 1915, where a Yakama Indian woman in Washington State was being beaten by her alcoholic husband. "Nelly" was taken on numerous occasions into the home of the Methodist minister and his family to live in safety. This is the home where Nelly had refuge... my great grandparents' home. That's my great grandmother and the twins.. (there's actually quite a lot people can do to help, if they thought about it, and are willing...) Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I posted your link on my FB, Gregory Matthews.. Its a great link.. Quote Test me with thy might but grant me safe passage. Now, who said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 A rabbi friend said that abuse is adultery. Adultery is broader than what is often thought of. EGW, later on her life, told women to get their kids and get out of that house. Having come from a background where Christianity was practiced from limited understanding, leading to divorce as a result of abandonment of the spouse and family, intelligent answers to those inner problems are not easy for bystanders to arrive at. Nor do I think the casual observance would fit a person to come up with the best solutions. That would make this counsel more understandable, as well as the following insight from the Word. 7They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?" 8He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. Matt 19 Bold theirs' LHC 7He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." Exodus 34 We can be thankful for this reality below, that promises final justice and mercy for those who endure, without malice. 7who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin Exodus 34 God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Having come from a background where Christianity was practiced from limited understanding, leading to divorce as a result of abandonment of the spouse and family, intelligent answers to those inner problems are not easy for bystanders to arrive at. Nor do I think the casual observance would fit a person to come up with the best solutions. That would make this counsel more understandable, as well as the following insight from the Word. 7They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?" 8He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. Matt 19 Bold theirs' LHC 7He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations." Exodus 34 We can be thankful for this reality below, that promises final justice and mercy for those who endure, without malice. 7who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin Exodus 34 God is Love! Jesus saves! Why would anyone think a "casual observance" enough to make a judgment on a situation like this? Second, why would anyone care to make a "casual observance"? That said, too much "casual observances" are made and disregarded in situations like this, as well as too much cover up by family members who have a lot more than a casual knowledge of the situation. Very few families that I know of who have experienced abuse seem to able to deal with it. They would much rather let the children deal with the problems it engenders in their lives for as long as they live than put an end to the situation. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 They would much rather let the children deal with the problems it engenders in their lives for as long as they live... A description of the case with multiplied millions of young and older generation children. God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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