Dr. Shane Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 It appears that after years of a liberal-bias in the media, liberals are just mad that a news network comes along that gives a voice to conservatives. So they (the liberals) resort to name-calling and label the news network conservative or right-wing. That is their attempt to paint it outsIde of the mainstream. It shows the sad state of their affairs. Instead of competeing with conservatives on a level playing field, they resort to attacking a messenger. Now FOXNews may be able to do a better job of being fair and balanced than they do BUT they are the only news network even trying to be fair and balanced. The other news networks are still trying to be objective - which is impossible, their bias always shows through. The suggestion that FOXNews is not fair and balanced is an opinion and is not consistant with the facts. Tune into the O'Reilly Factor, FOXNews Sunday or Hannity and Combs and one will see both liberals and conservatives voicing opposing views. That is not to say another network couldn't do a better job. But no other network is even trying. They will not find a news anchor pretending to be objective while actually giving a bias commentary on current events. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted December 7, 2005 Moderators Share Posted December 7, 2005 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Shane said: I think it hardly fair to lump FOXNews in with the right-wing media. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> They certainly must have you hoodwinked, dear friend. Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Quite the insult! I have stated that FOXNews may be able to do a better job of being fair and balanced but since no one else is trying we have no one to compare them to. I do not take the position that FOXNews is so fair and balanced they couldn't get any better. I do see areas they could get better. It would be nice to see them get someone like Chris Matthews on. But a liberal host would have to be able to get ratings and Chris Matthews is one of the few liberals out there that gets ratings. FOXNews is the top rated cable news provider because they watch the ratings and put programs together that get ratings. FOXNews is not pushing their spin of the news on anyone. The people are choosing to watch FOXNews because FOXNews is in tune with what they want to see. Liberals seem to be upset because after decades of being able to deny conservatives a voice in the mainstream press, they can no longer keep them quiet. I often wonder if those that criticise FOXNews ever watch it. They have liberals on all the time. Conservative commentary is always refuted by liberal commentary. They give both sides a voice. No, they are not objective. They are balanced. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 Quote: # Only on a Fox prompt card: "The Democrats' assault on Bush: Is that bad for America and the markets?" This article has video. Friday, November 18, 2005 7:55PM Fox and Friends # Fox continued to omit key portion of O'Reilly's controversial remarks about San Francisco This article has video.Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:02PM Bill O'Reilly # Fox News' Brian Kilmeade: London terror attack near G8 summit "works to ... Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together" This article has video.Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:07PM Brian Kilmeade # Fox & Friends' Kilmeade called G8 protesters "morons without jobs," insisted new Goldberg attack book not skewed This article has video. Wednesday, July 6, 2005 2:31PM Kilmeade and the G8 protesters # Media echoed baseless claim that Dean is a fund-raising failure Wednesday, June 8, 2005 3:07PM Dean's fund raising "falure" # Major media ignoring Gingrich rejection of DeLay defense: "DeLay's problem isn't with the Democrats. DeLay's problem is with the country" Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:23PM Gingrich # Conservatives distort papal legacy on Iraq war Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:12PM Rush, O'Reilly, and the Pope # Fox's psychic friend: Crossing Over's John Edward claimed Terri Schiavo is "definitely clear on what's happening now around her" This article has video. Friday, March 25, 2005 4:23PM John Edward on Terri Schiavo # CNN, Fox featured ex-Schiavo nurse whose affidavit was dismissed as "incredible" by judge Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:47PM "Incredible" # FOX & Friends anchors heaped insults on Democrats during inauguration coverage Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:02PM Fox and Friend's anchors This was just the past year of Fox's programing coverage.... Unbiased, ...yeah, right... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted December 7, 2005 Moderators Share Posted December 7, 2005 Sorry. Didn't mean my remark as an insult. Your further statement that conservatives have until recently been denied a voice in the media, also parrots the talking points sent out by the radical right. Not the mainstream right, mind you, but just the radicals. Unfortunately, our country has become seriously divided; no longer is it a goal to do what is best for the country; it has now become the goal to win at any cost. Sad. Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 The conservative voice had been limitted. Programs like "Meet The Press" and "This Week" have always given conservatives a voice. CNN's Crossfire also gave conservatives a voice. However conservative journalists were often denied promotions in the mainstream press. Look at the three big anchors of the past decades - Dan Rather, Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw. All three are liberals. Other promenant reporters like Sam Donaldson, Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, Walter Cronkite, Andy Rooney and Mike Wallace are also liberals. The number of conservatives in the media have been few and far between. Paul Harvey, George Will and William F. Buckley are among the few that had gained a voice. Liberals and conservatives alike fill the news rooms at FOXNews. FOXNews places their emphasis on ratings. If a journalist can get ratings they get on the air. It matters not if they are liberal, conservative, socialist or libertarian. That cannot be said of other news networks over the past few decades. Liberals despise FOXNews because they long for the good old days when they controlled the three big networks and could spin the news to their own liking. Quote: Not the mainstream right, mind you, but just the radicals. More name calling? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted December 7, 2005 Share Posted December 7, 2005 There are liberal groups that hate FOXNews so much they monitor it to find any thing said they can use against them. There are actually web sites that claim they "watch FOXNews so you don't have to." They rail against FOXNews and the reader is to take their spin as if it is somehow objective. Lots of partisan things are said on FOXNews. That is a given. The fact that some blog can post anti-Democrat quotes from FOXNews means nothing becuase FOXNews makes no claim to be objective. FOXNews has reporters that blast Democrats and they have reporters that blast Republicans. They aim to be balanced - not objective. BTW: Media Matters has no more credibility than NewsMax. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted December 11, 2005 Author Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2005 Shane: I see that you criticse the bloggs for "having a go" at Fox but you cannot refute the assertions these blogs make. You cannot substanciate the claim that the other networks are liberal...you have not given examples. Just because you say its true it does not make it true. The reality is that right-wingers need the fox news channel because the objective/balanced nature of the networks does not give them the blanket acceptance and approval that they need to sustain their self-righteousness. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Quote: I see that you criticse the bloggs for "having a go" at Fox I have no problem with bloggs that criticise anyone. My point is that as consumers of the news, we need to look for balance. That means we need to get our news from more than once source. If we are going to read from bloggs like Media Matters we need to balance that out with reading from bloggs like Media Research Center. Much, if not most, of what is said on these bloggs is true. The issue is that it is selective reporting. They only tell the facts that support their agenda. That is why we have to balance out what we read. If we are going to read selective reporting we should at least read it from both sides. I am not going to depend on any site to tell me what is going on at FOXNews or any other news program or network. That would be putting a lot of faith in someone with dubious motives. Quote: You cannot substanciate the claim that the other networks are liberal...you have not given examples. Others have already substanciated it. Numerous polls of journalists have shown that the vast majority vote for liberal canidates. I also posted this in and earlier post. Quote: conservative journalists were often denied promotions in the mainstream press. Look at the three big anchors of the past decades - Dan Rather, Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw. All three are liberals. Other promenant reporters like Sam Donaldson, Ted Koppel, David Brinkley, Walter Cronkite, Andy Rooney and Mike Wallace are also liberals. The number of conservatives in the media have been few and far between. Paul Harvey, George Will and William F. Buckley are among the few that had gained a voice. Note the postions these conservative have had. Paul Harvey has been confined to radio and newspaper. George Will has served as a commentator for ABC and columnist for Newsweek. William F. Buckley editted his own magazine and had a program on PBS. Successful yes but not out front like their liberal peers. The right-wing does need a news network that gives them a voice. That is true. It is equally true for the left-wing. If one goes back to the 1950s they will discover the mainstream news once had a conservative bias. That is not to say it was anti-Democrat. Democrats were conservative then as compared to today. The idea of reporting the news objectionably is faulty. It is not possible. FOXNews has the right idea - although their execution of it may not be perfect. Instead of being objectionable, be balanced. That means, give both sides a voice instead of trying to report what each side thinks from an objectionable prespective. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted December 14, 2005 Author Moderators Share Posted December 14, 2005 Quote: Shane said: The idea of reporting the news objectionably is faulty. It is not possible. FOXNews has the right idea - although their execution of it may not be perfect. Instead of being objectionable, be balanced. That means, give both sides a voice instead of trying to report what each side thinks from an objectionable prespective. I think fox is very good at being objectionable! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Quote: I think fox is very good at being objectionable! Well, at least I am Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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