The Civil Rights Movement 2.0

[lazarus]

IMHO, I believe we are witnessing the birth of a new Civil Rights movement. With another non-indictment more and more people will be galvanized into action.

[lazarus]

 

By the way, where are Sharpton and Jackson when a Bosnian, from a community neighboring Furgeson, was beaten to death by a reported gang of black and latino kids? I think we are overdoing this "civil rights" thing.

One suspect have been arrested and charged. Wheels of justice moved very quick here, Right? There have always been people who thought this civil rights thing was overdone. You are in good company.

[bonnie]

The suspects have been arrested and charged. Wheels of justice moved very quick here, Right? There have always been people who thought this civil rights thing was overdone. You are in good company.

Last I read it was denied this was a racial crime

[bonnie]

Where is the looting,burning and injury to completely innocent people? The parents of this boy haven't been calling for burning the town

 

Michael Browns actions are responsible for Michael Browns death.

 

 

 

 

 

White teen killed by black cop in Alabama mirrors Ferguson

Officer Trevis Austin shot and killed Gilbert Collar, a white, unarmed 18-year-old man who was under the influence of drugs. A Mobile County grand jury refused to bring charges against Officer Austin, concluding that the officer acted in self-defense. more >

 

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Thursday, November 27, 2014

A two-year-old case involving the shooting death of an unarmed 18-year-old white man by a black police officer is gaining attention on social media in the wake of this week’s protests and rioting in Ferguson, Missouri.

Gilbert Collar, a white, unarmed 18-year-old under the influence of drugs was shot and killed Oct. 6, 2012, by Officer Trevis Austin, who is black, in Mobile, Alabama. Despite public pressure for an indictment, a Mobile County grand jury refused to bring charges against Officer Austin, concluding that the officer acted in self-defense.

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The circumstances mirror those of the Aug. 9 shooting death of Michael Brown, a black unarmed 18-year-old under the influence of drugs by Officer Darren Wilson, who is white, in Ferguson.

SEE ALSO: Legal scholars praise Ferguson grand jury for fairness beyond the norm

A St. Louis County grand jury’s decision Monday not to indict the officer ignited violence and looting in Ferguson and days of protests nationwide against racial injustice.

The discrepancy in the reaction to and coverage of the two grand jury decisions has not been lost on social media, where critics are citing the Collar case to counter those who say Brown was the victim of racism in both law enforcement and judicial system.

On Thursday, the website Conservative Tribune headline trumpeted the case: “Unarmed White Teen Gunned Down by Black Cop … Where’s the Outrage?”

 

 

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[Ted Oplinger]

Lyndon, 

 

By the way, where are Sharpton and Jackson when a Bosnian, from a community neighboring Ferguson, was beaten to death by a reported gang of black and latino kids? I think we are overdoing this "civil rights" thing.

 You're referring to the one where it was reported the black youths involved were shouting, "Kill the whites!", amirite? I hear crickets everywhere on that one...

[bonnie]

Lyndon, 

 You're referring to the one where it was reported the black youths involved were shouting, "Kill the whites!", amirite? I hear crickets everywhere on that one...

Just remember it was not racially motivated

[lazarus]

Interestingly and thankfully there are some conservatives who see there is a problem with a Gardner case.

 

Government is simply a word for the things we decide to do together. Like choke men to death over rules governing the sale of cigarettes.
— Charles C. W. Cooke (@charlescwcooke)
National Review

 

Eric Garner died cuz he was selling cigs by the single. That's a crime in NYC. Death is inexcusable. Police behavior sure looked inexcusable. Breitbart's media critic John Nolte

 

Conservative radio host Dana Loesch....Appalling and obscene.

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/eric-garner-conservative-reaction-nanny-state

[lazarus]

REMINDER: An armed Cliven Bundy threatened federal officials and became a conservative folk hero: http://slate.me/11Wp2VE  #CrimingWhileWhite

 

Black Police officers are stepping up.......

 

St. Louis Rams players who showed support for Michael Brown's family should be praised, an organization representing black police officers in St. Louis says.

"We think that their actions were commendable and that they should not be ridiculed, disciplined or punished for taking a stand on this very important issue which is of great concern around the world and especially in the community where these players work," the Ethical Society of Police of St. Louis said in a statement this week.

The group has about 220 members from the city's police force in its ranks, the society's general counsel, Gloria McCollum, told CNN Wednesday. It describes itself as "the primary voice of African-American police officers in St. Louis city."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/us/ferguson-nfl-st-louis-rams-black-police/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Ted Oplinger]

Hmmmm.....this thread is about to get punted over to the politics forum at this rate.

 

There's nothing "civil" about 

 

Well, Laz, with Trayvon,  I first heard about it in church...the hearsay was that a young teen-ager shot for no reason in his own neighborhood. Going on just that, I thought the boy got a raw deal. Then the facts came in, and they didn't mesh with The Narrative which was promoted hard by certain segments of society. It turns out the man who shot Trayvon, while no saint, got the raw deal.

 

Then we had Michael Brown. Again, initial reports portrayed the incident as a young teen shot needlessly in a police incident. Again, to provoke the heart into thinking he got a raw deal. Then the facts began rolling in. Again, the facts didn't agree with The Narrative, again promoted by the same elements of society. It turns out the policeman will be experiencing the consequences of this raw deal for the rest of his life.

 

Now we want to throw Eric Gardner into the mix. I see a pattern here, Laz, and it isn't looking good for sympathizing for the crowds being whipped into a mob fury. As it turns out, Mr. Gardner decided to resist his arrest most strongly, requiring not one, but 4 officers to gain control over him and keep him on the ground. Don't know about you, Laz, but if an officer says he's going to arrest me over something minor (like selling "loosies", or may be even a simple traffic offense - which they absolutely can), the proper response is to submit and fight it in court later. Eric decided to forcibly resist the officers, who then by protocol had to step up their efforts to contain him.

 

As the facts rolled in for each case, Laz, they do not portray men peacefully minding their business, getting shot and choked to death by security/police officers. No, each of these men CHOSE to act in an aggressive manner toward the men they faced, and died as a consequence of that choice.

 

Civil Rights does not mean one can with impunity commit crime and resist arrest without possible fatal consequences. Civil Rights 1.0 was peacefully made with civil behavior. MLK Jr., made certain of that. What you are calling "Civil Rights 2.0" is not about civil rights, but about committing crime without consequences - mob mentality. The fact that so many refuse to believe anything but The Narrative tells me the dumbing-down of this country is just about complete.

 

Why do so many people want to be useful puppets?

 

As I have studied history, Laz, I have noted that every nation/empire which has fallen in the past, committed societal suicide prior to being rendered by conquest into the ash heap of history. What used to matter to them - their cultures, families, sense of law and good - all disappeared, replaced by all kinds of sordid pursuits, anarchy, and war. Those societies no longer desired to survive to the next generation. It appears the human race is reaching this point on a global scale.

[lazarus]

 

There's nothing "civil" about 

Not sure who or what you are referring to.

[lazarus]

As the facts rolled in for each case, Laz, they do not portray men peacefully minding their business, getting shot and choked to death by security/police officers. No, each of these men CHOSE to act in an aggressive manner toward the men they faced, and died as a consequence of that choice.

 

 

Interesting how easily you receive the establishment narrative and call them facts. The "facts" of the Zimmerman case have been clearly thrown into question by his subsequent behavior. One of Zimmerman's so called friends is now questioning Zimmerman's motives, saying that he know believes Zimmerman racial profiled Martin. He is now apologizing to Martin's parents. Asking the country to forgive him. The simple fact is that many white people have a hard time accepting the fact that the justice system is crooked because it is there to serve them. Black people have had the opposite experience. This has been the history of the USA.

 

Even right wingers like Charles Krauthammer see the Garner "verdict" as incomprehensible.

[lazarus]

Civil Rights does not mean one can with impunity commit crime and resist arrest without possible fatal consequences. Civil Rights 1.0 was peacefully made with civil behavior. MLK Jr., made certain of that. What you are calling "Civil Rights 2.0" is not about civil rights, but about committing crime without consequences - mob mentality. The fact that so many refuse to believe anything but The Narrative tells me the dumbing-down of this country is just about complete.

You said you studied history. MLK was greeted with the same howls of derision that civil rights leaders are greeted with now. He was accused of inciting riots, being a race bater. LOL. Same old same old. Emit Till was not considered an innocent bystander. It took years to get to the truth. You are doing the same now as those who opposed civil rights back then. They thought they were right and believed the narrative of the day as you are believing the majority narrative now. The parallels are uncanny. Black people know what their experiences is. They are used to folks rejecting it out of hand. Nothing new in your perspective

[Ted Oplinger]

Laz,

 

 

Interesting how easily you receive the establishment narrative and call them facts. The "facts" of the Zimmerman case have been clearly thrown into question by his subsequent behavior. One of Zimmerman's so called friends is now questioning Zimmerman's motives, saying that he know believes Zimmerman racial profiled Martin. He is now apologizing to Martin's parents. Asking the country to forgive him. The simple fact is that many white people have a hard time accepting the fact that the justice system is crooked because it is there to serve them. Black people have had the opposite experience. This has been the history of the USA.

 

Even right wingers like Charles Krauthammer see the Garner "verdict" as incomprehensible.

 

Establishment narrative? Um, sorry there, friend, but it is the establishment's narrative that is driving the violence. Facts roll in and dispute what is broadcast so freely in the news, but the Narrative never changes.

 

We discussed Trayvon already before, Laz. The point that both men involved aren't saints but bullies doesn't negate the criminality of what Trayvon did to get shot. In the realm of that specific night, Trayvon was the aggressor.

 

Michael Brown's criminality and decision to charge officer Wilson is what led to his being shot. It wasn't that the policeman didn't think Michael was a "lesser person" - it was that Michael Brown was intent on assaulting a police officer to protect his drugs and stolen goods, and the policeman had to choose to either die or shoot to defend himself.

 

Now, there's Eric Garner. Charles Krauthammer sees the verdict as incomprehensible? In truth, there's a lot of good common sense stuff out in society that that man finds incomprehensible - he's hardly the epitome for "right-wingers".

 

But this I do say: the law Eric was breaking was a silly one to make such a stand on. What, eight prior arrests on this point? Next upon that, the man was in no shape to even try resisting: acute and chronic asthma, heart disease, diabetes? So out of shape he couldn't walk a block without stopping to catch his breath? Yes, the officers were quite zealous in getting him to the ground - but no one thought they were putting the man in mortal danger using standard and accepted tactics of restraint. So what actually killed him, Laz? The actions of the police? Or the pre-existing health conditions which made resisting arrest a high-risk decision for Eric to foolishly make over such a small legal matter?

 

The common thread in each of these is that each of the "victims" died as a result of consequences directly tied to their breaking laws, not that these men were being innocent by-standers and being bullied by cops. Civil rights is not about the "right" to commit crimes with impunity - yet that is precisely what The Narrative wants for the thrust of "Civil Rights 2.0".

 

I guess when I see you making the same kind of protesting against the killers is these so-called "knock-out" games perpetrated by blacks, as you do for these three "men", then then we can talk. Civil Rights 1.0 was about blacks being treated equally under the law as whites, by protesting peacefully against unjustified use of civil force. Civil Rights 2.0 appears to be solely about certain blacks negating the consequences of their criminal behavior, by unjustified mob anarchy violence and blackmail against the justified use of civil force. The two are polar opposites, Laz.

[lazarus]

We've discussed the establishment before. Lets make it easier.

 

Establishment: the existing power structure in society; the dominant groups in society and their customs or institutions; institutional authority.

 

The power structure in the USA is predominately white. The police are there to protect and serve that power structure not all Americans. This is an American tradition. The country was founded and organized on that basis.  Progress has been made but there is still some way to go. The view you present is supportive of that power structure.

 

Subsequent to his acquittal we have seen the kind of person Zimmerman is. He is violent, irresponsible, and out of control. The establishment view was that Martin had to be the aggressor because fit the established narrative in America. This happens over and over again.
 African-Americans understand that many in the white establishment have no desire to see their point of view and will not willingly agree to change. In the first civil rights movement the country had to be forced to accept a new reality. I'm confident that there will be justice for those who have died as a result of this new movement.

 

"Civil Rights 1.0 was about blacks being treated equally under the law as whites, by protesting peacefully against unjustified use of civil force."

 

You said you studied history. Notice anything from history?

 

Harlem Riots, 1964

The riots began on July 16, 1964, when a police officer killed a young black boy in Harlem. The Congress for Racial Equality (CORE) had already scheduled a peaceful march to take place two days later to protest police brutality. After the march, a group of more militant and aggressive demonstrators took their protest to the steps of the police precinct. A number of fights broke out between the police and protesters, and 16 black demonstrators were arrested.

 

Watts Riot, 1965

On August 11, 1965, police used excessive force while arresting a black man in Watts, a black neighborhood in Los Angeles, for drunk driving. A small group of people gathered at the scene. Although the situation was tense, it was not violent. That changed when a police officer accused a woman of spitting at him and tried to arrest her. The crowd instantly erupted and began throwing bottles and rocks at passing cars and buses. Additional police were called in, and the violence and fighting intensified.

 

Here's some detail............21-year-old Marquette Frye, an African American man behind the wheel of his mother's 1955 Buick, was pulled over for reckless driving by white California Highway Patrol motorcycle officer Lee Minikus.^[6] After administering a field sobriety test, Minikus placed Frye under arrest and radioed for his vehicle to be impounded.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Riots#mediaviewer/File:Wattsriots-policearrest-loc.jpg

 

Newark Riots 1967

In Newark, on July 12, 1967, police beat a black cab driver while trying to arrest him. A group of protesters gathered at the precinct house and became unruly. When they were asked to leave, they refused to obey and the police began to use force to break up the crowd. A protest rally against police brutality was called for the next morning. Once again, the police used excessive force, and the city erupted into violence with looting, burning and shooting. The National Guard was called in to help restore order. In all, 23 people were killed and nearly $11 million of damage was caused.

 

Detroit 1967

White police officers shut down an illegal bar and arrested a large group of patrons during the hot summer, furious residents rioted. Blacks looted and destroyed property for five days, and National Guardsmen and federal troops patrolled in tanks through the streets. Residents reported that police officers shot at black people before even determining if the suspects were armed or dangerous. After five days, 41 people had been killed, hundreds injured and thousands left homeless.

 

You have accepted a convenient establishment position that denies reality and history. The more things change the more they stay the same. Notice how each incident involves the violent death of a black person in a police encounter. I wonder if those individuals was called thugs, gang members etc. You are unwittingly playing your part.

 

"....then then we can talk."

 

You don't have to respond to my posts. It's OK.

[bonnie]

 

Harlem Riots, 1964

The riots began on July 16, 1964, when a police officer killed a young black boy in Harlem. The Congress for Racial Equality (CORE) had already scheduled a peaceful march to take place two days later to protest police brutality. After the march, a group of more militant and aggressive demonstrators took their protest to the steps of the police precinct. A number of fights broke out between the police and protesters, and 16 black demonstrators were arrested.

 

Maybe the fact he attacked the officer with a knife had something to do with the young black man getting shot

 

The riot that took place on July 18, 1964 was inspired by a tragic event that had taken place only two days before. It was a hot summer day in the predominantly white neighborhood around East 70th Street, when a superintendent of one of the buildings pointed his hose in the direction of a few misbehaving African-American teenagers. The young boys were loitering around the same building that the superintendent was working. After refusing to move away from the area, one of the boys, fifteen year old James Powell chased the superintendent into the apartment. An officer who was patrolling nearby overheard the ruckus that they were making and approached the scene. The officer was in fact an NYPD Lieutenant by the name of Thomas Gilligan, who was also 16 year war veteran. Soon, James Powell and Thomas Gilligan came into a direct confrontation. James Powell who was wielding a knife attacked Gilligan, slashing him on the forearm. At this point Thomas fired his revolver, killing the teenager.

After the incident many in the black community of Harlem, were seething with anger and outrage at the murder of a young boy. They wondered how Thomas Gilligan, a lieutenant and veteran could not resolve the conflict without killing Powell. After two days of uneasiness and mourning, on the night of James Powell's funeral, a crowd of angry people gathered around Reverend Nelson Duke. He enticed them with his speech to march to the police precinct and demand justice for the crime committed. The precinct was located on West 123rd Street in the center of Harlem. As the crowd arrived in front of the building they faced a police force that was already stationed there. The senior officer tried to pacify the crowd explaining that the event was being investigated by the district attorney. However, they were not satisfied with this answer and did not disburse. Some rioters on the roof top began to throw bottles and bricks at the police below. The Tactical Patrol Force was ordered to disperse them, and with their batons in hand they lunged towards the crowd. At one point the officers fired 2000 gun shots into the air to disperse the crowd. However, this further enraged the rioters and mobs that were fighting the police. Some of the rioters threw Molotov cocktails at them.

 

[bonnie]

 

 

Watts Riot, 1965

On August 11, 1965, police used excessive force while arresting a black man in Watts, a black neighborhood in Los Angeles, for drunk driving. A small group of people gathered at the scene. Although the situation was tense, it was not violent. That changed when a police officer accused a woman of spitting at him and tried to arrest her. The crowd instantly erupted and began throwing bottles and rocks at passing cars and buses. Additional police were called in, and the violence and fighting intensified.

 

Here's some detail............21-year-old Marquette Frye, an African American man behind the wheel of his mother's 1955 Buick, was pulled over for reckless driving by white California Highway Patrol motorcycle officer Lee Minikus.^[6] After administering a field sobriety test, Minikus placed Frye under arrest and radioed for his vehicle to be impounded.

 

 

 

 

The rest of the story??

 

Watts RIOTS (1965) - The Beginning Of Black-Initiated Riots

 

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On July 2, 1964, the Civil Rights Act was signed into law by President Johnson (creating Compulsory Inclusionism). It took just 16 days from that date for black males to launch an unprovoked and racially motivated riot against white police officers and White people's businesses in Harlem, NY(1). There would be four more of these types of riots in 1964 :: Rochester riot (NY); Dixmoor riot (IL) , Paterson riot (NJ); Philadelphia riot (PA). 

From January 1965 to August 11, there is one riot: the Watts riot.

The total number of racially motivated riots by blacks from 1900 to July 2, 1964, is THREE (two in Harlem, one in Jacksonville, FL). From July 2, 1964 to August 11, 1965 - under the new Compulsory Inclusionism system - there are already FIVE.

     

  

  WATTS RIOTS 

 

                   The Watts Riots began on August 11, 1965, and lasted 5 days. It was the longest and most community devastating racial disturbance to date ever launched by blacks in American history;  and the first to be watched on American television from coast to coast.  The events that led to what's become known as the Watts Riots are as follows: 

 

        A California Highway Patrolman had been informed by a black motorist that another black motorist appeared to be driving drunk. The Highway Patrol officer, Lee Minikus, who happened to be white, followed the suspect vehicle, clocking his speed well in excess of the posted speed limit. The patrolman then pulled over a 21-year-old black motorist, Marquette Frye – in Watts. In the passenger seat was Mr. Fry’s 22-year-old step-brother.  

        By Mr. Frye’s own admission, the officer was courteous to him when asked to step out of his car for some questions. After a few questions, the officer proceeded to give the driver a sobriety test. After the sobriety test the officer determined the driver to be intoxicated and informed him he was under arrest. Mr. Fry’s 22-year-old step-brother, who was also intoxicated, wanted to drive the vehicle home, which happened to be just a few blocks away. However, the patrolmen refused him because of his obvious condition. The 22-year-old then leaped from the car and raced home to tell his mother to come and get the car. The mother and her son then hurried back to the scene where the patrolman was waiting for the tow truck to impound the vehicle (impounding a vehicle driven by an assumed drunk driver was standard procedure). The officer was also becoming alarmed at the growing number of blacks assembling at the scene, so he summoned back-up. The officer allowed the mother to speak to her son, the driver, before he was placed in a squad car (Marquette Frye still had yet to be placed in handcuffs). The mother also believed her son was drunk and scolded him for driving in that condition. More squad cars – occupied by mostly white police officers – had continued to show up at the scene. The arresting officer now tried to escort Marquette Frye to a vehicle and place him under arrest (hand-cuff him). However, the visibly drunk Marquette Frye was being provoked to “run for it” by 200 or more black males and females who had now gathered at the scene (many shouting racial obscenities at the white officers – who were simply doing their job).

      Apparently emboldened by the large number of his people and the constant prodding to run, the drunk Mr. Frye suddenly bolted for the crowd. The Highway Patrol officer, Lee Minikus, along with some other officers, grabbed Mr. Frye and then began to wrestle with him. During the scuffle,  officer Minikus hit Marquette Frye in the head with his baton, causing him to become disoriented. When this happened, Mr. Frye's mother then jumped on the back of another officer. The drunken Marquette Frye, along with his brother and mother were all then arrested.  

       During this altercation almost all of the blacks had become belligerent now, shouting insults as well as trying to incite other blacks to attack the white officers.  A few white officers then went into the crowd and grabbed a black female and black male who they believed were the loudest instigators and arrested them. The police quickly began to leave the scene. From beginning to end, the arrest of the drunken Marquette Frye and the four others had taken only about a half-hour. However, the hundreds of blacks who had watched the five arrests, and particularly the black youth, were now in a feral fury over the - deserved - treatment of the five (only Marquette Frye was hit) and began to hurl rocks and bottles at the remaining patrol cars as they were leaving the scene.

It was 7:45 pm. The riot had officially begun … and would last throughout the night and the next four days. 34 were killed (all black rioters), 1032 were injured and over 4000 were arrested.

 

 

 

 

[JoeMo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

[bonnie]

 

 

Detroit 1967

White police officers shut down an illegal bar and arrested a large group of patrons during the hot summer, furious residents rioted. Blacks looted and destroyed property for five days, and National Guardsmen and federal troops patrolled in tanks through the streets. 

 

 

Sunday, July 23[edit]

In the early hours of Sunday (3:45 a.m.), July 23, 1967, Detroit police officers raided the unlicensed weekend drinking club in the office of the United Community League for Civic Action, above the Economy Printing Company, at 9125 12th Street.^[5][6] They expected a few revelers inside, but instead found a party of 82 black people celebrating the return of two local GIs from the Vietnam War. The police decided to detain everyone present. While they were arranging for transportation, a sizable crowd of onlookers gathered on the street.^[7] Later, in a memoir, Walter Scott III, a doorman whose father was running the raided blind pig, took responsibility for starting the riot by inciting the crowd and throwing a bottle at a police officer.^[8]

After the last police car pelted with stones left, the black mob began looting an adjacent clothing store. Shortly thereafter, full-scale looting began throughout the neighborhood. So many looters were involved that police were unable to make their first arrest until 7 a.m. the next morning. State police, Wayne County sheriffs, and the Michigan National Guard were alerted, but because it was Sunday, it took hours for the Police Commissioner Ray Girardin to assemble sufficient manpower. Meanwhile, witnesses described seeing a "carnival atmosphere" on 12th Street. Police—inadequate in number and wrongly believing that the rioting would soon expire—just stood there and watched. The mob did not attack the few white passersby. To the east, on Chene Street, reports said the pillaging mob boasted a mixed composition.^[9] The pastor of Grace Episcopal Church along 12th Street reported that he saw a "gleefulness in throwing stuff and getting stuff out of buildings"^[10] The police conducted several sweeps along 12th Street, which proved ineffective because of the unexpectedly large numbers of people outside. The first major fire broke mid-afternoon in a grocery store on a corner of 12th Street and Atkinson.^[11] The mob prevented firefighters from extinguishing it and soon more smoke filled the skyline.

The local news media initially avoided reporting on the disturbance so as not to inspire copy-cat violence, but the rioting started to expand to other parts of the city, including looting of retail and grocery stores elsewhere. By Sunday afternoon, news had spread, and people attending events such as a Fox Theater Motown revue and Detroit Tigers baseball game were warned to avoid certain areas of the city. Motown's Martha Reeves was on stage at the Fox, singing "Jimmy Mack," and was assigned to ask people to leave quietly, as there was trouble outside. After the game, Tigers left fielder Willie Horton, a black Detroit resident who had grown up not far from 12th Street, drove to the riot area and stood on a car in the middle of the crowd while still in his baseball uniform. Despite Horton's impassioned pleas, he could not calm the mob.^{[12][citation needed]}

Monday, July 24[edit]

Michigan State Police and the Wayne County Sheriff's Department were called into Detroit to assist an overwhelmed Detroit police force. As the violence spread, the police began to make numerous arrests to clear rioters off the streets, housing the detainees in makeshift jails. Beginning Monday, people were detained without being brought to Recorder's Court forarraignment. Some gave false names, making the process of identifying those arrested difficult because of the need to take and check fingerprints. Windsor Police were asked to help check fingerprints.^[13]

Police began to take pictures of looters arrested, the arresting officer, and the stolen goods, to speed up the process and postpone the paperwork. More than eighty percent of those arrested were African American. About twelve percent were women. Michigan National Guard troopers were not authorized to arrest people, so state troopers and Detroit police made all arrests, including sweeping up many people who were simply watching the looting.^[14]

Michigan Governor George Romney and President Lyndon B. Johnson initially disagreed about the legality of sending in Federal troops. Johnson said he could not send Federal troops in without Romney's declaring a "state of insurrection", to meet compliance with the Insurrection Act.

As the historian Sidney Fine details in Violence in the Model City, partisan political issues complicated decisions, as is common in crisis. George Romney was expected to run for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968, and President Johnson, a Democrat, did not want to commit troops solely on Romney's direction.^[15] Added to this was Mayor Jerome Cavanagh's own political and personal clash with Romney. Cavanagh, a young Irish Catholic Democrat who had cultivated harmonious relations with black leaders, both inside and outside the city,^{[citation needed]} was initially reluctant to ask Romney, a Republican, for assistance.^[16]

 

On July 24, forty National Guardsmen were pinned down by snipers at Henry Ford Hospital.^[17] The hospital stayed open throughout and treated many riot injuries.

The violence escalated throughout Monday, resulting in some 483 fires, 231 incidents reported per hour, and 1,800 arrests. Looting and arson were widespread. Black-owned businesses were not spared. One of the first stores looted in Detroit was Hardy's drug store, owned by blacks and known for filling prescriptions on credit. Detroit's leading black-owned clothing store was burned, as was one of the city's best-loved black restaurants. In the wake of the riots, a black merchant said, "you were going to get looted no matter what color you were."^[18]Rioters shot at firefighters who were attempting to fight the fires. During the riots, 2,498 rifles and 38 handguns were stolen from local stores. It was obvious that the Detroit, County, and Michigan forces were unable to restore order.

On Monday, U.S. Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan), who was against Federal troop deployment, attempted to ease tensions by driving along 12th Street with a loudspeaker asking people to return to their homes.^[19] Reportedly, Conyers stood on the hood of the car and shouted through a bullhorn, "We're with you! But, please! This is not the way to do things! Please go back to your homes!" But the crowd refused to listen. Conyers' car was pelted with rocks and bottles.

Tuesday, July 25[edit]

Shortly before midnight on Monday, July 24, President Johnson authorized the use of Federal troops in compliance with theInsurrection Act of 1807, which authorizes the President to call in armed forces to fight an insurrection in any state against the government.^[20] This gave Detroit the distinction of being the only domestic American city to have been occupied by Federal troops three times. The 82nd Airborne had earlier been positioned at nearby Selfridge Air Force Base in suburbanMacomb County, along with National Guard troops who were federalized at that time. Starting at 1:30 on Tuesday, July 25, some 8,000 National Guardsmen were deployed to quell the disorder. Later their number would be augmented with 4,700 paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne, and 360 Michigan State Police.

Chaos continued; the police were overworked and tired. Detroit Police were found to have committed many acts of abuse against both blacks and whites who were in their custody.^[21]

Although only 26 of the over 7,000 arrests involved snipers, and not one person accused of sniping was successfully prosecuted, the fear of snipers precipitated many police searches.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The underlined is a result of the on going riots,not the cause of the riots. Those involved in the underlined should have been punished as severely as the looters/rioters

 

 

 

The "searching for weapons" caused many homes and vehicles to be scrutinized. Curfew violations were also common sparks to police brutality. The Detroit Police's 10th Precinct routinely abused prisoners; as mug shots later proved, many injuries came after booking. Women were stripped and fondled while officers took pictures. An infamous discarded Polaroid was plucked from the garbage and ended up on Mayor Cavanagh's desk. White landlords from New York visiting their building were arrested after a sniper call and beaten so horribly that "their testicles were still black and blue two weeks after the incident."^[22]

The most documented event of police brutality was the Algiers Motel Incident. Three black men were found dead in a manor house-turned-motel at Woodward and Virginia Park known for prostitution. Two white, teenaged cosmetology school dropouts recently arrived from Columbus, Ohio, were staying in the motel with local black men when the police and National Guard responded to a call of shots being fired. Evidence presented later suggested that three Detroit police officers called out all occupants of the motel to the main lobby, searched them for weapons, threatened to kill them, and threw knives at their feet in a "game" before searching the rooms for weapons. They shot the men later in two of the rooms and their bodies were discovered later. A police confession to the shooting was later covered up. The journalist John Hersey published a book about the case, The Algiers Motel Incident, in 1968.

July 26–27

Some analysts believed that violence escalated with the deployment of troops, although they brought rioting under control within 48 hours. Most of the Michigan National Guard were white, while many of the Army troops were black. As a result, the National Guard troops faced more hostility when deployed to the inner city. The National Guard and the Army troops engaged in firefights with locals, resulting in deaths to both locals and the troops. Of the 12 people that troops shot and killed, only one was shot by a Federal soldier. Army troops were ordered not to load their weapons except under the direct order of an officer. The Cyrus Vance report made afterward criticized the actions of the National Guard troops, who shot and killed eleven people.^[23]

Tanks^[24] and machine guns^[25] were used in the effort to keep the peace. Film footage and photos that were viewed internationally showed a city on fire, with tanks and combat troops in firefights in the streets.

By Thursday, July 27, sufficient order had returned to the city that officers withdrew ammunition from the National Guardsmen stationed in the riot area and ordered them to sheath their bayonets. Troop withdrawal began on Friday, July 28, the day of the last major fire in the riot. The Army troops were completely withdrawn by Saturday, July 29.

The Detroit riot was a catalyst to violence elsewhere. The state deployed National Guardsmen or state police in five other cities: Pontiac, Flint, Saginaw, Grand Rapids, and Toledo, Ohio. Disturbances were reported in more than two dozen cities.

In Detroit, an estimated 10,000 people participated in the riots, with an estimated 100,000 gathering to watch. Thirty-six hours later, 43 were dead, 33 of whom were black and 10 white. More than 7,200 people were arrested, most of them black. Mayor Jerome Cavanagh lamented upon surveying the damage, "Today we stand amidst the ashes of our hopes. We hoped against hope that what we had been doing was enough to prevent a riot. It was not enough."^[26]

Damages

Over the period of five days, 43 people died, of whom 33 were black and 10 white. The other damages were calculated as follows:

Injuries

473 injured: 182 civilians, 167 Detroit police offic

[lazarus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

 

Did you post this because the man in the video is black?

[bonnie]

 

Posted: December 3, 2014

Bill O’Reilly – More Whites Than Blacks Are Killed By Police Officers Every Year

On Monday night, Bill O’Reilly dedicated the “Talking Points Memo” section of his show onFOX News to taking on the idea that there is a widespread, racist abuse of black people by police officers in the United States.

 

O’Reilly cited a column in the New York Times written by Michael Eric Dyson in whichDyson urged for action to combat “the plague of white cops who kill unarmed black youth” across the country. Dyson also took President Obama to task for his condemnation of violent acts in the wake of the Ferguson decision.

In the segment, Bill O’Reilly lambasted the article, citing data that he says refutes the notion that unarmed black people are being killed indiscriminately by police officers, such as what happened when Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.

“[White cops killing unarmed black youth,] the facts of which are tediously and sickeningly repetitive and impose a psychological tariff on black minds, the president was vague, halting and sincerely noncommittal.”

The list of statistics that Bill O’Reilly gave were as follows per the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice, CDC and the FBI Census Bureau.

Bill O’Reilly then stated what he took these statistics to mean.

Police killings of blacks down 70 percent in last 50 years
In 2012, 123 blacks were killed by police with a gun
In 2012, 326 whites were killed with a gun

In 2013, blacks committed 5,375 murders
In 2013, whites committed 4,396 murders
Whites are 63 percent of the population blacks are 13 percent

Bill then went on to say that people like Michael Eric Dyson will call you ‘racist’ if you cite the statistics.

“Anyone, anyone, thinking clearly can see that the homicide rate among blacks is way out of proportion, thus the police intrusion into black precincts, since, in a whopping 90 percent of black homicides, the dead person is another black, or the offender himself.”

 

 

[CoAspen]

Speaking as a white person.....I was taught to always answer with a 'no sir' and a 'yes sir' regardless of circumstances. I lived in the south where small town police looked at everyone as suspicious, especially teen agers!  So, for me, I have never understood why anyone would argue or even look like they were confronting law enforcement. To me, again, that seems way to dangerous. The NEWS is full of everyday assurances where people have done that in one form or another and have been injured or ultimately arrested for that behavior. With the publics attitude towards anyone in authority today, what we see continuing to happen, should not be surprising. IF racial prejudiced is involved, things can and are often much worse. I have friends and know of other persons in law enforcement who all say that dealing with the public is an extremely difficult job today, and becoming more so. Police are being shot at more often, according to the daily NEWs reports, so I would image every situation of confrontation is extremely dangerous to them in their mind.

 

Disrespect leads to so many of todays problems from the workplace, at home, driving and everywhere. Society needs to learn respect for others goes along ways in preserving safety for ones self.

[JoeMo]

Did you post this because the man in the video is black?

Partly.  I posted it do show that some members of the African-American community are sick of others responding to police action by looting and burning their own neighborhoods; and that it's not just racist crackers that are sick of the needless violence which just gives birth to more violence.  I'm old; so I remember the original civil rights movement in the 60's and 70's.  Back then, African Americans seriously had something to be upset about.

 

Like Pastor Jonathan (the guy in the video) asks, where were these protestors when there were scores of drive-by shootings perpetrated against blacks in Chicago? Nowhere.  Where were they when the Bosnian guy was murdered with hammers? Nowhere (probably cuz the dead guy was white).

 

I'm not saying that racism no longer exists - it does; but it's a 2-way street.  There are also a lot of African Americans that dislike white people.  Furthermore racism and religious persecution will continue until the end of time.  It is the media attention to hate-fueled dissent like Furgeson that will help bring about an end-time scenario.  satan must surely be thrilled.

 

Pastor Jonathan is not the only African American speaking out against the senseless violence (mostly black-on-black) in Furgeson. See Charles Barkey interview at http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/02/us/charles-barkley-on-race/, for example. Or Commentary from Stacy Washington of Project 21, or Joe Hicks, former head of the Los Angeles City Human Rights Commission, or Rev. James Manning, pastor of the World Missionary Church in Harlem on http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/11/27/righteous-blacks-speak-out-against-ferguson-riots/

[lazarus]

I know a few black people here and there. In fact 70% of my congregation is black. They all would say looting and burning is wrong. The fact that you felt you need to post this video shows that you don't understand how black people feel. The guy in the video is the norm.

[bonnie]

I know a few black people here and there. In fact 70% of my congregation is black. They all would say looting and burning is wrong. The fact that you felt you need to post this video shows that you don't understand how black people feel. The guy in the video is the norm.

Is there ever a time when the feelings of innocent white people are considered? Did the scumbags looting and rioting care a fig about the black businesses they looted and destroyed. Or is it only those that will riot and loot that must have their feelings understood

Had Micheal Brown not acted like a thug and terrorized a store owner and then stealing from him there would not be a riot where they destroy the town they live in.

Had he not gone charging after the police officer in his car no one would have been hurt.

By the time Brown reached the age he is,you can almost count on the fact this was not his first theft or the first time in intimidating someone.

Maybe it goes back further even than that.Maybe if mom and dad had raised this guy instead of dumping him on grandma,with consideration and respect for the rights of others he would have been the gentle giant mom claims he was.The so called step-father in name only since the beginning of this year is a convicted felon with more than one time being incarcerated.

[Ted Oplinger]

Civil Rights happened because the significant majority of black people put value in themselves, lived like it, and wanted that to be recognized by those whites would not recognize that value.

 

Civil anarchy is occurring now because the inner city black families have been destroyed by progressive tax and welfare policies, the black male is devastated by the one-two punch of chronic high unemployment and lack of a consistent father role model. If they happen to succeed, they portrayed as "acting white" by their fellow blacks, all the while of being suspect at the work place due to affirmative action. So many live the thug life - they do not value the lives of others, nor their own.

 

Civil rights does not mean the recognition of the criminal thug lifestyle and culture as having a place in the modern discourse of society. I does not.