Stan Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Sinners any more? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Here are 16 that I've found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clio Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I know I am one. Perhaps even the chief of sinners. Thankfully, I'm also a forgiven sinner. Clio Quote A heart where He alone has first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 When one, by the Grace of God overcomes... there will be 30 people "yell WORKS. you are trying to WORK you way to Heaven" Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clio Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Probably. We seem, as humans, to do that a lot. But they are then those for whom we should pray harder. They have judged another's character... and that's a dangerous thing to do. I hope if I do that, I have eyes to see and ears to hear what I have done, and get it taken care of at the Throne right away. Clio Quote A heart where He alone has first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 I am a sinner. And many sins I have yet to overcome. I often wonder if I will be able to before Jesus comes again. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted January 1, 2006 Members Share Posted January 1, 2006 Quote: Are there such things as sinners anymore? A related question I've always had is, what exactly is *sin*? From other threads, I've gathered that what might be sin for one person, may not be sin for someone else. So how does a person know for sure what *sin* is? Is it a thought? An idea? Actions? Wishes? Is it to be determined by one's conscience? By feeling guilty? Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted January 1, 2006 Author Share Posted January 1, 2006 One size does not fit all.. There is a difference between A rich man who steals food or cheats a store and A poor man who steals food to feed his family. (in the OT it clearly states that a poor hungry man who steals to feed his family has no condemnation) I also see a difference between a Married person who habitually cheats on the spouse, and a Single person who is so 'skin-hungry' that they are in a horrible situation... and a zillion other examples... we are not to judge, we are too live the life, and do the mission God has given us. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted January 1, 2006 Members Share Posted January 1, 2006 I wasn't thinking about what other people do that might be sinful - I was thinking about me. How do I know what sins *I* am guilty of? Of course, I know some of the really awful things I've done are sinful, but what about other things I *don't* know about? I thought the Bible says that we should confess our sins, but if I don't know what I've done that's sinful, how can I confess it? (if my questions seem kinda dumb, just ignore them....sometimes it's hard to know what's okay to ask and what questions to keep to myself.) Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clio Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Hi Pam - I can so relate to your struggle. It's one I've wrestled with more than once. I finally got so desperate, that I asked Him to reveal to me all hidden sins that I could then confess them and be forgiven. From time to time He has brought things to my mind that I haven't thought of in years... and we work through them. Usually winding up with me on my knees in tears of remorse, confessing, and receiving forgiveness. Occasionally, I've been known to be stubborn, and then it takes longer, and Jesus has to resort to some serious tail-kicking before I surrender and see His point. (I hate it when that happens...I'm spiritually "sore" for days afterwards!) Other things, He's revealed by leading me to study and understand them, and then precept on precept, line on line, I become heart convicted, I repent, confess, and my behavior changes. Couple of simple rules I follow for conducting my life. If it's not specifically forbidden, or doesn't violate either of the two commandments to Love the Lord thy God with all thy body, mind, and spirit, and thy neigbor as thyself, then in faith I can choose to do... whatever. And if I'm wrong in my understanding, Jesus will let me know.... at which point it's my job to NOT get my nose out of joint and be willing to change/stop/repent or whatever He says is needed. Clear as mud right? Clio Quote A heart where He alone has first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Naomi Posted January 1, 2006 Administrators Share Posted January 1, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> rudywoofs said: .......... but what about other things I *don't* know about? I thought the Bible says that we should confess our sins, but if I don't know what I've done that's sinful, how can I confess it? <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> ......... <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> IMHO A just and loving God would not hold us accountable for what we do not know. I believe, as we have been instructed, we are only accountable for what we know. Shirley we can not go wrong if we sincerely ask for and allow the Holy Spirit to guide us; and we obey. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> (if my questions seem kinda dumb, just ignore them....sometimes it's hard to know what's okay to ask and what questions to keep to myself.) <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> The only "dumb" question is the one which is not asked! If you have a question it is a strong probability that many others have the same question but for personal reasons just won't ask. Naomi Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Naomi Posted January 1, 2006 Administrators Share Posted January 1, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Stan Jensen said: When one, by the Grace of God overcomes... there will be 30 people "yell WORKS. you are trying to WORK you way to Heaven" <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Ecclesiastes 12:13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. ~~~~~~~~` Or, perhaps refer to: Mark 12:29-31 ~~~~~~~~~`` When you love someone, parent, spouse, child, friend or neighbor, as far as possible, you try to do what pleases them. We don't do things which we know will make them happy because we have to , but because we want to Thankfully, we have only one judge. One who created us, loves us, and knows our every thought and deed. Naomi Quote If your dreams are not big enough to scare you, they are not big enough for God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Quote: if my questions seem kinda dumb, just ignore them....sometimes it's hard to know what's okay to ask and what questions to keep to myself. I wanna tack on to what Namoi said....There is absolutely no such thing as a 'dumb question' when it comes to personal knowledge. Just unasked ones.... And if you don't ask, how will you know? Quote: I thought the Bible says that we should confess our sins, but if I don't know what I've done that's sinful, how can I confess it? I have probably oversimplified this answer, but let me ask this question.... why is God so interested in your sins? IOWs, are your friends more interested in your sins than in you? Then why do you think that God so interested in your sins? I know that He can deal with your sins, but, to be totally honest, we are born with iniquity in us, and that makes us do harmful actions against others...Of course we have to be forgiven for the misbehaviors that we do, but the problem is the iniquity in us, and we can not do anything about it,,,,,except one thing....Tell Jesus. Except for complaining about it, iniquity is out of our relm of action...but well within God's relm...Just let God deal with it as He sees fit. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Most believers will quickly admit they are sinners but get terribly upset as soon as someone points out a sin in their life. When someone points out a sine in my life, I prayfully go to God and ask Him what He would have me do. "Let the righteous smite me, it shall be a kindness; And let him reprove me, it shall be as oil upon the head; Let not my head refuse it" Ps. 141:5 Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted January 2, 2006 Moderators Share Posted January 2, 2006 Quote: Amelia said: I am a sinner. And many sins I have yet to overcome. I often wonder if I will be able to before Jesus comes again. I've wondered that too!. Here's one of my faviourite texts that I have been looking at again. Phil 1:6 And I am sure that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on that day when Christ Jesus comes back again. NLT ...For it is God who works in You... I have to keep reminding myself that it is his work not mine! That just shall live by faith....they live their lives trusing that God will enable them to overcome. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Thank you Laz. That is a wonderful promise. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted January 3, 2006 Share Posted January 3, 2006 Sinner = one who has sinned "For ALL have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God." Are there such things as sinners? Sounds like it. I'm one. You're one. We're ALL sinners, because we've all sinned. Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 and, THAT's the truth. Quote The greatest want of the world is the want of men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true & honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty..., men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.{Ed 57.3} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stef Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Quote: Amelia said: I am a sinner. And many sins I have yet to overcome. I often wonder if I will be able to before Jesus comes again. Amelia and CA friends, in addition to Philippians 1:6 (a promise I cling to), I would like to share this admonition: “Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise.” Hebrews 10:35-36 Quote Lord, lay some soul upon my heart and love that soul through me; that I may humbly do my part to win that soul for Thee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Quote: stef said: Quote: Amelia said: I am a sinner. And many sins I have yet to overcome. I often wonder if I will be able to before Jesus comes again. Amelia and CA friends, in addition to Philippians 1:6 (a promise I cling to), I would like to share this admonition: “Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise.” Hebrews 10:35-36 Hi, Newbie Stef, As well as it seems only fair to include Gal 6:1-3. [:"red"] "Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself." [/] NASB Keep looking up! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Quote: Fran said: and, THAT's the truth. Despite the truth of that, I find it difficult to believe the person who comforts themselves with that reality has real confidence and assurance of their place in heaven, for it seems too close to the reasoning put forth by the prince of darkness as to why he should be allowed into the heavenly realms. Consider these words if you will. 'I'm a sinner, but so are you.' [:"red"] "Love....is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances..." [/] 1 Cor 13:7 AMP Would God give us the gift of hope if there were no good reason to hope. OTOH [:"red"] "...(for there is no man that sinneth not)..." [/] 1 Kings 8:46 KJV [:"red"] "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." [/] Revelation 12:10 KJV Thoughts? Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Quote: Clio said: I know I am one. Perhaps even the chief of sinners. Not as long as I'm around ... Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clio Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Quote: Nicodema said: Quote: Clio said: I know I am one. Perhaps even the chief of sinners. Not as long as I'm around ... *bows graciously* I shall certainly share that title with you my friend! But I must insist on retaining part of it....And Paul has a share, too. This chief platform is kinda crowded.... Clio Quote A heart where He alone has first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Quote: Shane said: Most believers will quickly admit they are sinners but get terribly upset as soon as someone points out a sin in their life. Shane for some of us there's a good reason for that behavior. We know how confused we can tend to become, in particular in conjunction with the arousal of vulnerable emotions like shame and guilt, and are guarding ourselves against further confusion by not committing spiritual adultery with our consciences. The word "adultery" is related to "adulterate" which means to taint something ... so what I mean is, we are trying to prevent our consciences from being adulterated (tainted) by the judgments of other sinful, erring mortals ... because we have enough difficulty as it is sorting out the taint of our OWN sinful, erring mortalness. Does that help you understand our kind better? For folks like us, you can always take it to the Lord in your private prayers if the matter is one that causes you genuine concern. Have faith that HE will work it out, and if the concern is valid, bring us conviction in a manner we CAN receive and accept, in HIS timing. Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Quote: LifeHiscost said: Thoughts? (1) I think you jumped to conclusions when you assumed the statement was intended as something by which to "comfort" myself instead of simply a detached statement of Biblical fact. (2) From there you seem to suggest that believing the best about others and recognizing all are sinners are mutually exclusive somehow? Not by a long shot. Believing the best about others does not mean lying to oneself that they are not sinners. The Bible clearly states ALL have sinned. (3) As you pointed out, the Bible states clearly that there is no man (person) who has not sinned. Thus to state that anyone on earth is a sinner is not a judgment nor an accusation, but a statement of fact. It is every bit as much a statement of fact as it would be to point at a human being and state, "You're a human." Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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