Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted July 10, 2015 Moderators Share Posted July 10, 2015 See: http://atoday.org/response-to-the-vote-on-ordination-by-divisions-in-europe-north-america.html?utm_source=GC+Daily+Bulletin+4&utm_campaign=GC+Bulletin+4&utm_medium=email Quote Gregory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 It has been interesting to me to discover that the commisioned SDA female pastor represents a biblical model for sending workers out into the harvest, whilst the Ordination model has no scriptural basis at all and like the Sunday Sabbath is an invention of Catholicism that is then accepted and taught by Protestants, in this case the SDA. A pity that in both cases a model could not be found that represents what the Bible tells us to do as opposed to what a Pope decreed the church must do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 See: http://atoday.org/response-to-the-vote-on-ordination-by-divisions-in-europe-north-america.html?utm_source=GC+Daily+Bulletin+4&utm_campaign=GC+Bulletin+4&utm_medium=email "Posted on July 9, 2015 ...The Netherlands Union declared in 2012 and 2013 that it would ordain women, but it waited. On July 8, 2015 delegates from across the globe met for General Conference session in San Antonio, Texas. The assembled church voted it would not permit Divisions to make such determination locally. One day after, Netherlands declares it will proceed to ordain women. Netherlands Union declares that its policy will not be affected. It has before declared that it would act contrary to General Conference session actions. Now it declares it will act contrary to the 2015 General Conference session. All this, while the ink is not yet dry on the Wednesday, July 9 decision.Translation of the statement:The delegates of the Dutch churches voted at their Session in the autumn of 2012 to ordain women in an equal way to their male colleagues. The vote took effect in June 2013 and will remain in effect. The decision of the General Conference Session in San Antonio does not change this.Female pastors will continue to be ordained in the Netherlands Union Conference. We thank God that he calls men and women to serve him. We want to enthusiastically confirm that call by the laying on of hands.The Netherlands Union is under the Trans-European Division. The Seventh-day Adventist Church affirmed, just one day ago, what it had voted in 1990 and 1995: that no Division nor any of its subunits has the unilateral authority to ordain women to pastoral ministry.The website link to the page which the above screenshot is taken from as of July 9, 2015 PST ishttp://www.adventist.nl/2015/07/10/verklaring-inzegening-vrouwen-in-nederland/Posted in Breaking news, Church governance, Council of Adventist Pastors (CAP)" Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted July 13, 2015 Moderators Share Posted July 13, 2015 . The Seventh-day Adventist Church affirmed, just one day ago, what it had voted in 1990 and 1995: that no Division nor any of its subunits has the unilateral authority to ordain women to pastoral ministry. That's not what was voted or affirmed. Kevin H 1 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Kevin H Posted July 13, 2015 Moderators Share Posted July 13, 2015 Both the 1990 vote and the 1995 vote were to not make a decision at that time. The 1990 vote was to not take a stand. The 1995 vote was to encourage the church to wait until the world wide church was ready so they can be recognized in the whole church around the world. This vote was whether to take the matter of ordination out of the hands of the unions and place it into the divisions and let each division decide if they are ready. So basically all 3 votes did not end the issue but two deferred to the future and the third one made no changes from what we are currently doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Both the 1990 vote and the 1995 vote were to not make a decision at that time. The 1990 vote was to not take a stand. The 1995 vote was to encourage the church to wait until the world wide church was ready so they can be recognized in the whole church around the world. This vote was whether to take the matter of ordination out of the hands of the unions and place it into the divisions and let each division decide if they are ready. So basically all 3 votes did not end the issue but two deferred to the future and the third one made no changes from what we are currently doing. I agree that the vote in San Antonio affirmed the Church's position that no entity has the authority to independently go beyond what the church body has approved. The quotation "The Seventh-day Adventist Church affirmed, just one day ago, what it had voted in 1990 and 1995: that no Division nor any of its subunits has the unilateral authority to ordain women to pastoral ministry." that I posted in context as being from (http://www.adventist.nl/2015/07/10/verklaring-inzegening-vrouwen-in-nederland/Posted in Breaking news, Church governance, Council of Adventist Pastors (CAP)) to which lazarus replied made the following point loud and clear: "The decision of the General Conference Session in San Antonio does not change this. Female pastors will continue to be ordained in the Netherlands Union Conference." Kevin H 1 Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 TED had the most extensive TOSC report. An abbreviation is now available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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