Samie Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Please don’t get me wrong. I am NOT advocating that Sunday is the Sabbath. This thread is about the phrase “first day of the week” in the resurrection verses: Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19. Here are the Greek texts (highlighted in bold red are the phrases translated into “first day of the week”): Matthew 28:1 VOye. de. sabba,twn( th/| evpifwskou,sh| eivj mi,an sabba,twn h=lqen Maria.m h` Magdalhnh. kai. h` a;llh Mari,a qewrh/sai to.n ta,fonÅ Mark 16:2 kai. li,an prwi> th/| mia/| tw/n sabba,twn e;rcontai evpi. to. mnhmei/on avnatei,lantoj tou/ h`li,ouÅ Mark 16:9 VAnasta.j de. prwi> prw,th| sabba,tou evfa,nh prw/ton Mari,a| th/| Magdalhnh/|( parV h-j evkbeblh,kei e`pta. daimo,niaÅ Luke 24:1 Th/| de. mia/| tw/n sabba,twn o;rqrou baqe,wj evpi. to. mnh/ma h=lqon fe,rousai a] h`toi,masan avrw,mataÅ John 20:1 Th/| de. mia/| tw/n sabba,twn Mari,a h` Magdalhnh. e;rcetai prwi> skoti,aj e;ti ou;shj eivj to. mnhmei/on kai. ble,pei to.n li,qon hvrme,non evk tou/ mnhmei,ouÅ John 20:19 Ou;shj ou=n ovyi,aj th/| h`me,ra| evkei,nh| th/| mia/| sabba,twn kai. tw/n qurw/n kekleisme,nwn o[pou h=san oi` maqhtai. dia. to.n fo,bon tw/n VIoudai,wn( h=lqen o` VIhsou/j kai. e;sth eivj to. me,son kai. le,gei auvtoi/j\ eivrh,nh u`mi/nÅ sabba,twn is noun genitive neuter plural from sa,bbaton ; sabba,tou is noun genitive neuter singular common from sa,bbaton . sa,bbaton is borrowed by the Greeks from the Hebrew tB'v; (shabbath) and not from [;buv' ((shabua`), Hebrew for “week”. The Greek for “week” is “e[bdomoj ” (hebdomos), how on earth did sa,bbaton become “week”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 11, 2015 Members Share Posted August 11, 2015 Please don’t get me wrong. I am NOT advocating that Sunday is the Sabbath. This thread is about the phrase “first day of the week” in the resurrection verses: Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19. What's there to get wrong??? The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week per Creation!!!!! Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samie Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 It appears that the attack on the sanctity of the Sabbath is two-pronged: first, transfer of sanctity from Saturday to Sunday; second, transfer of resurrection day of our Lord from Saturday to Sunday. I am inclined to believe that sa,bbaton was translated into "week" in order to give Sunday a semblance of scriptural authority by translators who were themselves Sunday-keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samie Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 The calendar used in the Resurrection story is the Hebrew Lunar calendar, not the modern Roman calendar. The "first day of the week" is not the first day of the modern week (commonly called "Sunday"). It is the first day of a week which is synchronized to the Lunar Cycle so that the Sabbath of Unleavened Bread is always on the 15th day of the month. (The other Sabbaths are on the 8th, 22nd, and 29th days, with the New Moon being on the 1st day of the month.) Hi joe; According to your position, the 15th of the month is a 7th day Sabbath. Because the Passover Sabbath always falls on the 15th, the 2nd 7th day Sabbath of Nisan is, necessarily, the Passover Sabbath. Therefore, there was only one Sabbath day where both the Passover Sabbath and the 7th day Sabbath fell that paschal week when our Lord was crucified. So why did the gospel writers use the phrase "mia/| tw/n sabba,twn" which literally is "one of the Sabbaths", if there was only one Sabbath day that week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Amnsn Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 It could be that the phrase means "first of the Sabbaths". The way orthodox Jews count the seven Sabbaths from Wave Sheaf/Unleavened to Shavuot/Pentecost, it could possibly refer to the first of the seven counted Sabbaths. Or it could refer to the day that the marked the first day of counting the seven Sabbaths, which is a Sunday according to the way the Karaite Jews count the seven Sabbaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted September 5, 2015 Members Share Posted September 5, 2015 It could be that the phrase means "first of the Sabbaths". The way orthodox Jews count the seven Sabbaths from Wave Sheaf/Unleavened to Shavuot/Pentecost, it could possibly refer to the first of the seven counted Sabbaths. Or it could refer to the day that the marked the first day of counting the seven Sabbaths, which is a Sunday according to the way the Karaite Jews count the seven Sabbaths. Exactly Ron. If you look at a Jewish calendar we would see that 15 Nissan is not always on the same day each year! When it comes on the Sabbath, that's when we call it a high Holy day. Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samie Posted September 5, 2015 Author Share Posted September 5, 2015 So why did the gospel writers use the phrase "mia/| tw/n sabba,twn" which literally is "one of the Sabbaths", if there was only one Sabbath day that week? It could be that the phrase means "first of the Sabbaths". The way orthodox Jews count the seven Sabbaths from Wave Sheaf/Unleavened to Shavuot/Pentecost, it could possibly refer to the first of the seven counted Sabbaths. And it follows that "mia/| tw/n sabba,twn" is indeed the 7th day Sabbath, Saturday, instead of first day of the week – Sunday. Or it could refer to the day that the marked the first day of counting the seven Sabbaths, which is a Sunday according to the way the Karaite Jews count the seven Sabbaths. There will be a problem with that, it seems, because the Karaites believe that the divine commandments (and that includes the Sabbath commandment) handed down by God to Moses were all recorded in the Torah with no additional oral law or explanation. And in the Torah tB'v; (shabbath) can only refer to the 7th day Sabbath or to a ceremonial Sabbath like the Passover Sabbath and Yom Kippur. And in that paschal week when our Lord was crucified, the Passover Sabbath cannot fall on a Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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