BobRyan Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 17 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: I am so upset with Ben and his high and mindedness that I must take a stand. The first illogical thing he stated was about the pyramids and Joseph. b I think there is a thread for that - but this one is about "What is Seventh-day Adventist". But since you mention it. 1. What years do you think the pyramids were built? 2. What year do think the world wide flood happened? 3. How much time after the flood - did it take to start building the pyramids in your view? 4. What years do you think Joseph was ruling in Egypt? I am pretty certain that Ben Carson has his ideas on those details - what are your thoughts? Naomi 1 Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 24 minutes ago, BobRyan said: I think there is a thread for that - but this one is about "What is Seventh-day Adventist". But since you mention it. 1. What years do you think the pyramids were built? 2. What year do think the world wide flood happened? 3. How much time after the flood - did it take to start building the pyramids in your view? 4. What years do you think Joseph was ruling in Egypt? I am pretty certain that Ben Carson has his ideas on those details - what are your thoughts? If you would like a answer to these questions please give me your email and I will be glad as both an SDA and a Biblical historian to provide you the answer. This is not the place because the answers will be detailed with historical fact along with the Bible! Happy Sabbath and be bless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 55 minutes ago, rudywoofs said: lack of knowledge doesn't necessarily mean lack of intelligence... Lack of knowledge does mean lack of intelligence if you boast about it with out evidence from the Bible or history. No one question him on his medical knowledge. But Ben thought that being a doctor was more complex then being the President of United States. It appear that he has become prideful and forget that is was ELOHIM that gave him his special gift. But when men can think that they have this talent all by themselves that when they begin to fall. Then ELOHIM show them how intelligent they truly are with obedience and loyalty to the Law! Happy Sabbath and be bless! phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddogs Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 On 11/1/2015 5:09:23, BobRyan said: Seems like every day over the past week I have seen a half dozen articles in the press about "what is a Seventh-day Adventist" or "what is Ben Carson's religion?". Something like that. Pretty interesting times. I think it was in the 1970's when the SDA church was at about 4 million and the Southern Baptists were about 14.x Million. Now - in January of this year Christianity Today points out that SDAs are around 18.5 Million and the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world. -http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...ts-can-ben-carson-church-stay-separatist.html Prior to the mid 1960's there was a great deal of confusion in evangelical circles about the Seventh-day Adventist church. Walter Martin (founder of the Christian Research Institute) wrote a book on the subject of what is and is not a cult and determined that Seventh-day Adventist beliefs are orthodox Christianity on the key doctrines that define Christianity. Christianity Today named that the book it its "choice books" list for 1965 saying it was "about the best there is on the cults written with an eye to Christian missions" - according to the cover page to Martin's book. But that media interest in the SDA church in January 2015 was not even a drop in the bucket compared to what we are seeing today. (Maybe I should tell them that Sonya Carson used to visit my Sabbath School class in Maryland - where I taught for years. My members at church who are from Maryland told me they know the Carsons very well, I thought they had moved to West Palm Beach some time ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 It is amazing how judgemental the media, and several in adventist become, not because of the significant difference he has made, but rather that he may not of checked out sources further on something he was informed of.. Why would someone go back years to find any little statement he made, which may not be credible? US politics, just gets more entertaining when you are sitting on the sidelines watching.. Kevin H, Naomi and phkrause 3 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 15 hours ago, Reddogs said: My members at church who are from Maryland told me they know the Carsons very well, I thought they had moved to West Palm Beach some time ago.. It really make me realize how far from ELOHIM we have become! When we compare ourselves to the other Protestant churches. We are not be like them at all. First, we are suppose to keep all the Commandments of ELOHIM and we don't that is why we are becoming more like them. Earrings or jewelry is not a sin but their cost and how we ware them is. Today you can come into an Adventist Church on the Sabbath and it is a disgrace. Where is take thy feet off ELOHIM'S Holy day, not doing your own pleasures or speaking your on words? The jewelry, the clothing, the hats are out of control. People come to socialize and to disregard THE PRESENCE of THE ALMIGHTY ONES! We have put no difference between us and the Protestant world. The Protestant churches are the Philistines, the Egyptians, and the Canaanite that Israel wanted to be like. We are not true to our message and the tares truly have taken over our churches. There is a remnant of wise virgins that will take a stand mid the evil darkness that has corrupted our churches. They will be the repairer of the breaches, they will restore the waste places and rebuild the foundation that has been torn down. They will be the mighty army who will become equip to stand as the storm breaks and the Time of Trouble will begin. They will finish the work and reap the harvest, bring in the great number of Protestants, and other religions of the world. These Protestants will join the ranks of those who keep the Commandment of ELOHIM and who will also have THE TESTIMONY of YAHSHUA. I urge all to wake up because something is about to happen!!!!!!! Happy Sabbath and be bless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 6 hours ago, Stan said: It is amazing how judgemental the media, and several in adventist become, not because of the significant difference he has made, but rather that he may not of checked out sources further on something he was informed of.. Why would someone go back years to find any little statement he made, which may not be credible? US politics, just gets more entertaining when you are sitting on the sidelines watching.. Stan, they have done this many time to those who get in the political arena. What make it so different for Ben! If you write a book about your life make sure that everything is factual. People will and have always investigated to see if you are trust worthy. It's alright for Hillary but not alright for Ben???? I know Ben personally before he became this great physician, mother fed him and Candice. They were dating and going to Yale! We look out for him but didn't write about that did he. You see there are many that help Ben along the way but he doesn't write about their kindness! He step in the arena of those who scrutinize and if you have some secrets even the Bible said what in the dark will come into the light! He is not with ELOHIM because you cannot serve him and man. You cannot break the Sabbath and state I doing it for the good of who us?? We are all sinful and have come short of ELOHIM so he help us and disregards the warning of what will happen when he disobeys. We should not feel sorry for him, we need to pray that we to will remain faithful! Blessings and Happy Sabbath! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted November 7, 2015 Members Share Posted November 7, 2015 3 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: I know Ben personally before he became this great physician, mother fed him and Candice. They were dating and going to Yale! We look out for him but didn't write about that did he. You see there are many that help Ben along the way but he doesn't write about their kindness! the above explains much... Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Stinsonmarri, his second book THINK BIG he mentioned a lot of people at the Hospital, it was like name dropping for them because they help him, and had to work extra weekends etc because he was away so much. That was his worst book, and that is why. Am sure he learned a lesson on that. You sound very spiteful in your tone to him, I doubt if you meant to come across that way. Naomi 1 Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 1 hour ago, rudywoofs said: the above explains much... If you understood all that I said you would get it, but you don't. I said many help Ben not just my family. But it was my mother I was his age at the time. Let me tell you the whole story. I called Ben to help me find a specialist for my mother and he never return the call. I called twice and his secretary told me he got the message. I was very disappointed be all I need to was his help to provide me some advice, nothing else. He ignore me as if he was too important to deal with my kind mother who helped him. I was told by others who he did the same thing too. They would see him and he acted like he did not know them as well. There is more but I do not have to defend myself. I just need his aid and I said and will say it again those thing he could have said in his book. Not a lot just state that Mt Zion SDA Church reach out to him in his time of need. We were that kind of people. My mother have served her faith well, being a great Bible worker who found the Sabbath on her own. Raising churches, yes churches and always doing for others. She was getting old and I just needed his help for her sake! But you know YAHWEH came through, yes she had a stroke and dementia but she is 91 years old and alive and well. I will go to bat for mother and I have with my second father's children who wanted his money and my own father's greedy family claiming my father was never married nor had his five children. I love my mother who raise us after my father died on her own. We were not the best either and I was very hard headed but she never gave up on me, that is why I am here today. I introduce her to my second father, I was grown and they married in their fifties, but they loved each other. I became his guardian and I bury him not his children. Every step that I have been through with my elderly parents have been through THE MOST HIGH! I called Ben hoping he will just help find a good specialist for my mother nothing else and he let her down! Claiming that you are right with THE MOST HIGH means nothing! When you are high and mighty you seen great because of the great work, then you become less in the eye of THE MOST HIGH. Remember I stated this not out of angry but out of sadness and hurt he did to my mother!!!!! Blessings on you! phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unchained Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Earlier in this thread I asked about a source for Ben Carson's pyramid statement, and apparently this was something that he said in a speech he held at Andrews: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2015/11/05/archaeologists-to-ben-carson-ancient-egyptians-wrote-down-why-the-pyramids-were-built/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMo Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I'll bet we all (including Ben Carson) have done and said things that later had unintended bad consequences. I believe that many of the things people do or say that turn out badly are done unintentionally. I know that I have hurt some people very badly by stupid but unintended actions and words. I try to learn from those things. Yeah; Ben has done some stupid things in his past; but it sure seems to me that he learned from those mistakes; and is open to continue learning. I'm not saying he's my pick for president; but in my eyes he is an honorable man worthy of my respect and admiration. Naomi and phkrause 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted November 9, 2015 Members Share Posted November 9, 2015 Great post JoeMo. Everyone of those candidates probably have as much baggage if not more than he does. Naomi 1 Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 On 11/7/2015, 6:35:01, Stan said: Stinsonmarri, his second book THINK BIG he mentioned a lot of people at the Hospital, it was like name dropping for them because they help him, and had to work extra weekends etc because he was away so much. That was his worst book, and that is why. Am sure he learned a lesson on that. You sound very spiteful in your tone to him, I doubt if you meant to come across that way. Why is it that people always think that you are spiteful, when you tell about things that hurt you. What is spiteful Stan about when you come to him to help a person who was very kind to him? She need medical attention and I thought to go to the best man I knew in the business. Then he complains now that the media is scrutinizing him differently because he boastfully thinks he can beat Hillary! I can't bring us his faults because I am being spiteful. But he tells the Jews all they had to do was take up guns to beat off millions of German Nazi army with tanks and other weapons! He can lie about hitting his own mother in the head, protecting white children during the riots of the Martin Luther area, stabbing a person but the belt buckle protected him. People who grew up with him do not recall this at all! He brother will not speak, but other have and no one remember his claim. Should we just sit still when we know people are not right for a position by his character and say nothing? He is rich and just said he had other things he could do. So why run! How much did we hear about Obama not a US citizen and his jealous pastor trying to cripple his election! Hillary's email or Benghazi. They could be scrutinized and people can check see if she is trustworthy but not good old Ben. He can break the Sabbath, eat ham and it is alright by us SDA. Don't state a simple fact of hurt now, because you will be accuse of being spiteful while he tell lies on the Bible. I thank not! I will state clearly he is not all that he claims and I gave you reason why! This happen almost 25 years ago and it all came back when I saw how he acted so self righteous but breaking the Commandments of ELOHIM. Yes, I became upset because he is fooling people so I feel I have a right to show why I don't think he is doing right. You can call it anything you want but the people who had dealing with him so far has presented their take on him and it is what it is! Were all the women spiteful on what Bill Cosby did to them, which was over thirty to forty years ago? Blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 8 hours ago, JoeMo said: I'll bet we all (including Ben Carson) have done and said things that later had unintended bad consequences. I believe that many of the things people do or say that turn out badly are done unintentionally. I know that I have hurt some people very badly by stupid but unintended actions and words. I try to learn from those things. Yeah; Ben has done some stupid things in his past; but it sure seems to me that he learned from those mistakes; and is open to continue learning. I'm not saying he's my pick for president; but in my eyes he is an honorable man worthy of my respect and admiration. You are not running for the highest office in the land. You character plays a very part in what you will do a Commander and Chief! Blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 2 hours ago, phkrause said: Great post JoeMo. Everyone of those candidates probably have as much baggage if not more than he does. Then they carry their baggage and go home we do not need them running the country. We are in wars that seem to never end, killing our youth because some of those carpet baggage in the past believing their were weapon of mass destruction and that was a lie. Putting us in an unnecessary war leading the world now to deal with Isis. Blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators debbym Posted November 9, 2015 Administrators Share Posted November 9, 2015 God sees everyone as unrighteous. Not that much difference between one sinner and another. We are all wretched before the Holiness of God. I dont think we need to be spending our strength laying into each other. Even that angels of heaven do not rail satan for all his evil. And this is after they saw how he hated the pure Son of God and went about to murder him, causing all heaven to lose every sympathy for him. It is not Godly to attack and accuse the guilty. Those very ones we despise God is seeking to lift up and save, and restore. I don't think mud slinging is of much value, especially on the guilty. phkrause, CoAspen, Naomi and 1 other 4 Quote deb Love awakens love. Let God be true and every man a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 On 11/1/2015, 6:02:06, phkrause said: Like I've mentioned in another thread, we as SDAs are now gonna be front and center. Something that God has wanted for quite sometime. There's no hiding anymore. I disagree with this. This is not how THE MOST HIGH works to get the message out. ELOHIM does not deal with loud announcement everything is done with silence, firmness and consistency. Not hatred, maliciousness, pride, boastful, repealing or taking away, or force religion. The problem is we want to do it our way instead of YAHWEH'S way, and each time we fail. Learn from King Saul, Samuel plainly told him that YAHWEH wanted everything of the Amalekites consumed because of their sin. But Saul wanted to do his way, he brought back the King and then blame the people for not destroying the spoil or booty. He stated that they wanted use the sheep and oxen for a sacrifice to YAHWEH. This was it for Saul and THE HOLY SPIRIT was insulted and left him. Many times in Biblical history people call themselves doing things on their own to help YAHWEH. YAHWEH does not truly need our help in anything but call us to work for HIM as HE see fit. When we help it helps us to change and to be humble and to know how to move and then stand still and know that HE is THE ALMIGHTY FATHER! This is not the time that ELOHIM said we would be front and center! That time is during the Time of Trouble to complete the assignment of bringing in the great multitude. Then power will be given and the Bible says this: And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. Rev 11:5, 6 They will use the Bible and no one will stop them. Then will the five wise virgins, 144,000 will be like Moses and call down the prophecies of Revelation and no man will be able to stop them. But for now we must remain silent preparing to become strong when the Loud Cry come. Then will it be time for the faithful to react. Ben Carson has made a mockery of ELOHIM'S plan, but he will be stopped. It is the devil who try to change what the Bible said but he won't and neither will man! Blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMo Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 10 hours ago, stinsonmarri said: This is not the time that ELOHIM said we would be front and center! That time is during the Time of Trouble to complete the assignment of bringing in the great multitude. Then power will be given and the Bible says this: How do you know we're not entering or already into the little Time of Trouble (i.e., the 1st 3-1/2 years of the seven)? It may not feel like it to you, but ask the believers in the Middle East and North Africa? What makes you think that SDA's will be the only ones given power? The verse you quoted from Rev. 11 does not pertain to all of Adventism or Christianity; it points to the 2 witnesses specifically - whether they be 2 individuals (Moses and Elijah) or 2 elite groups (like the Churches of Smyrna and Philidelphia). I'm not saying that I'm definitely voting for Ben. God's word says that HE (God) establishes and deposes leaders. If I believe that, the if Ben becomes president it is because God wills it - for better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 This is not a response to JoeMo, just my take on a 'quote' he referred too. God establishes and deposes leaders. What leaders, in what period of time, under what circumstances, etc? To take such a statement as literal for all times and peoples is fraught with many issues, such as Hitler. It also says that mankind is not free in making decisions, first brought up by Lucifer. One could also fall back and say God allows it. Then we can blame God for what ever happens in/on this world. Ultimately I see such a belief as saying "God is in control", so its not my responsibility or fault as to what happens...sounds rather familiar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMo Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Good points, CoA. A little push-back: I DO believe God is ultimately in control. I would suggest that God sometimes allows despots to come into power to show the world just how corrupt humanity has become. Take our current leader. We elected Him. God has given us a free will, so He put Obama in charge in deference to our free will. Ultimately God will establish a permanent leader for mankind - His Son - who will rule with power, righteousness, and peace forever! Just for clarification - just because God is in control doesn't mean we have no control or responsibility or fault for what happens. God is in control; and He frequently chooses to execute that control through human agencies. When we as humans, exercise our free will by refusing to execute God's plans, there are consequences. Much of the controlwe humans believe that we have is an illusion, frequently illustrated by what I call the manifestation of unintended consequences or adverse events over which we have no control. That being said, the biggest thing required for evil people to succeed is for good people to not say or do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thdaypriest Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Leaders cannot be leaders, or how power, IF no one follows them. Hitler could NOT have gained the power he exercised, IF the majority of the people had not supported him. Yes - they were deceived, and taken in, BUT their hearts were ripe for it. They resented the economic burdens placed on them after WWI. We now have a generation of young voters who have been taught from their earliest years, that there is no God. There will be no eternal consequences for their choices. There is no afterlife. They want-what-they-want - now - during this life. Their votes will reflect this. The anarchy now in evidence in large cities (against law enforcement) and on college campuses, is the RESULT of what these young people were taught - to see themselves as victims of the male/white establishment. Thomas Jefferson said this democracy would last until the people realized they can vote themselves money. I fear that day has arrived. Quote 8thdaypriest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinsonmarri Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 13 hours ago, JoeMo said: How do you know we're not entering or already into the little Time of Trouble (i.e., the 1st 3-1/2 years of the seven)? It may not feel like it to you, but ask the believers in the Middle East and North Africa? What makes you think that SDA's will be the only ones given power? The verse you quoted from Rev. 11 does not pertain to all of Adventism or Christianity; it points to the 2 witnesses specifically - whether they be 2 individuals (Moses and Elijah) or 2 elite groups (like the Churches of Smyrna and Philidelphia). I'm not saying that I'm definitely voting for Ben. God's word says that HE (God) establishes and deposes leaders. If I believe that, the if Ben becomes president it is because God wills it - for better or worse. Because the Bible give certain events that will take place first take place. Yes, I has do with Islam, Catholicism together with the Protestants and the false Zionist Jews who are not Semitic but Japhethites. Gen 9:27 Dan 11:18-45 and Rev 6:13-17, Chapters 7-10 are complete which will bring on the Time of Trouble. It take deep study and prayer but the time is close upon us! Blessings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Joe, my thinking leans more towards the idea that God 'may intervene', rather than control. We choose a path based on personal inclinations, wants, etc and follow it until we decide on something else. We need to consider that the are forces for good and evil in the world. God 'allowing' is a definition that I don't believe is fully understood. There are a number of issues in this idea that, I for one, don't understand so 'may intervene' works better for me! control noun 1 the power to influence or direct people's behavior or the course of events verb 1 [ with obj. ] determine the behavior or supervise the running of intervene verb 1 come between so as to prevent or alter a result or course of events: Sorry.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuff sed Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I was wondering whether Ben Carson is or is not a A Seventh-day Adventist after his Friday night/Sabbath participation in debates this weekend in Orlando, Fl. Then I read this in the AMAC magazine which listed the candidates and their vital information... "Ben Carson- Religion- Non-demominational Christianity...baptized Seventh-day Adventist." Is he or isn't he????? Nuff Sed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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