Why say "GAY CHRISTIAN" ?

[GayatfootofCross]

the term "love the Sinner,hate the sin" is used alot

but how can one love someone when one thinks of others sins every time they see them?

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Kdogae86, And anyone else interested

You asked a very good question of why would a gay person who is now a christian would still call himself gay.

Well I will share a few reasons that you may not agree with or understand and that is ok. What I am expressing are very personal and tender so consider this an honour

It has to do with COMMUNITY

1. We are liars when we say we have no sin. 1 John 1:10 It's very important in real connecting fellowship to tell the truth of ourselves and  with each other. It is up to ourselves what to share and what not to share with others. It cannot and should not be dictated by another. In that sharing we constantly focus on JESUS loving where we are now and loving us all to completion as The Day Approaches.

2. To find safety in fellowship. A Body of Christ is called to be a safe place for trust to build and connection to be formed and to find encouragement (Heb 10:25) and accountability. this very Fellowship brings growth and healing and in this process even a closer walk with each other and GOD. Are you safe to share a struggle in your Church?  Are you safe to hear a struggle without condemning or showing self-righteousness?

It is spiritual abuse and controlling to tell others what to share and not to share. We adults among adults decide what to share and decide not to share in the proper context.  Can we be given advice on candor and timing?...Of Course, but only if it precludes trust and safety in that particular relationship or connecting support system.

3. Why do I tell others I'm gay? It is not a sin to be gay. The sin is lust in the mind and acting on it, just like with heterosexuals.
It is a great way to share my Testimony. After all it relates directly to How Jesus Saved Me! A Sinner! And between you and me and all who see this, telling people in some circles that we are Christians evokes 2000 years of violence, fraud, scandals, abuse, misogyny and hatemongering. And even today some churches do that. Some are very aware of all that baggage and avoid us Christians at all costs.

4. To go back to the God's Word in 1 John 1:8-10: It does great damage to struggling gays to assert oneself as being completely healed of homosexuality by calling myself "straight" or "ex-gay."
If it is true, by all means sound the trumpet, let the pigeons loose! ...But in most cases, even ex-gays who marry an opposite sex partner and sire children, still struggle with attraction to the same sex. And that attraction may never go away until the other side of eternity.
To say that same-sex attraction just goes away gives a a false impression. It is an excruciatingly soul destroying life to be gay and seeking the elusive 'sainthood' of heterosexuality and not finding it but comparing your walk with ex-gays who announce they are TADA! I'M STRAIGHT while it is not true.
Speaking particularly of ex-gay ministries: Many have killed themselves because of no hope and others have cut or tried to cut off their genitalia in desperation. My gay brothers and sister deserve the TRUTH of SANCTIFICATION. It's not overnight or necessarily complete at sudden death.

4. There is healing when you share the inner parts of yourself, when you look into another's eyes and see JESUS (non-condemnation) IN THE FLESH upon their faces. There is freedom in that and JESUS IS GLORIFIED!

There are other reasons outside of these 4 entirely on another level, but I chose to share these because it strikes at the heart of how GOD deals with us in relationship and calls us to do and be the same towards others. I am sure I gave you enough to chew on.

On a even more personal note of my long hard walk -- it's nice to stop the busybodies from wondering why I am not married yet or the dreaded awkward ringing of the bell, "I've got a nice girl I want you to meet!"

ugh

I will get even more deep with you, my friend and Brother/Sister in Christ. I can't tell you how many times I got to know good people in the past and formed bonds and rejoiced in the LORD together to only be suddenly avoided because they got wind of the fact that I AM GAY (and therefore demon possessed? ...as some say). I find it best to be upfront early on to avoid such devastating disappointment of being rejected by someone I though to be my soul Brother or Sister. ...If I'm upfront and thought to be a castaway by them by their actions or a harsh denunciation, it is is better for both parties emotionally and spiritually.

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And on a preachy side note...

Gossiping/backbiting would stop or greatly be lessened in Church if we all told the talebearer (every time) how disgusted and repulsed we are by their backbiting and character-assassinating sins( Ellen White calls it cannibalism, which sounds pretty evil to me)  . But so many people will do that to gays in the congregation or out.  Quoting scriptures but say nothing of others blatant sins cause they are more entertained or comfortable with.. The QUEERS see this hypocrisy and shake their heads understanding  church is NOT for them no matter where they are on in their walk with GOD. ..hence the much needed thread specific to the LGBTIQQAAP  staying in our Churches.

OK off my soapbox God bless you all and be with you as you reflect and pray where your sin is in this (if applies).

IF JESUS be lifted up in His People, HE will draw all gay men and women.

wooo hooo

 

on a side note which i may share more in another post if requested

There are untold numbers out there of QUEERS who don't have sex and are even virgins ..and attractions are not lust

and Temptation is not a sin

So please, God Fearing Christians ... obey GOD in this and cast down your sexual imaginations of others

             geeesh

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May the Joy of the LORD be your Strength and pass that Joy to others

 

 

 

[GayatfootofCross]

I typed this out and above post about 6 years ago word for word... All of it

and found it finally

Lot of people ask that very good question and I have shared it on other sites long long ago in a galaxy far far away

 

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there is so much pain in churches today
there is so much spiritual abuse that reopens the scars and even create new ones!

well meaning christians ward off parts of themselves that frighten them
shutting it down or burying it deep

afraid of the shame that accompany their own past / present
but secrets are sicker when hidden and they grow like mushrooms in the dark with fertilizer (lies)

when they see others speak TRUTH about their pain, failures,temptations,addictions, struggles it scares them
causes they mistakenly  think thats not real christianity

but it is...

its important IN SELF DECEPTION to hold that JESUS heals them so much that they are totally victorious over all their sins by faith AND EXPECT THAT OF OTHERS
ignoring the reality that they are still plagued
1john if he says he has no sin the truth is not in him

so therefore  they think if a brother confessess he still has hurts habits and hang ups he must not be saved

 

 

day by day and moment by moment we cling to JESUS and look to HIM
He is our strength
and we look around for that in others OF COURSE

but we dont overcome by being  in denial and shushing others to be quiet about their own lives and experiences and hard fought journey

the spiritual abuse has to stop
there are people clinging or trying to figure how to cling to JESUS who are greatly discouraged when others say -  like JOB's friends
'if u were really saved u wouldnt struggle with that or be in this position'
or to the gays
'if u were really A CHRISTIAN u would be straight!'

gay people reaching out to JESUS cant look at themselves constantly seeing if heterosexual thoughts or mannerisms to manifest  to show they are indeed really saved

..
looking to self and to others to see if really saved

eventually they get discouraged/shipwrecked cause the eye is on themselves and/or others

and having well meaning christians who run from their own darkness and cant face the TRUTH of themselves tell gays
'IF YOUR STILL GAY YOU CANT BE A CHRISTIAN'
kicks them in their face and at the same time tells GOD 'U MUST DO EVERYTHING TO OUR UNDERSTANDING/THEOLOGY OUR WAY AND IN OUR TIME (in our eyes)

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The caps are not screaming..it is how i posted this up in a place where there was no differentiation in font or colour or size

It is an excerpt from a book I don't have any more (my sister lent it to me)

 

THERE WAS A LADY WHO WROTE A BOOK ABOUT HER HORRIFIC SEXUAL ABUSE AS A

CHILD  (FORCED INTO BEASTIALITY AND witnessed SNUFF FILMS AND included in CHILD PORNOGRAPHY) THAT

WENT FROM AGE OF 4 CLEAR INTO  ADULTHOOD

SHE HAS HELD ONTO GOD ALL THOSE YEARS (her mother took her to church in between

consenting to the travesties for money) AND HAD TO STRUGGLE WITH ANGER TOWARDS THE

ALL THE MANY ABUSERS AND ANGER WITH GOD FOR LETTING IT HAPPEN TO HERSELF AND

OTHERS

( STILL GOD'S DAUGHTER WHILE STRUGGLING WITH HATRED AND UNFORGIVENESS FOR MANY YEARS )

 

AS AN ADULT SHE SEEKED HELP FROM COUNSELORS AND CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE

SUFFERED IN A SIMILAR WAY AND HAS OVERCOME SO MUCH AND GROWN IN JESUS

IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS

 TAKING THE STORY TO CHRISTIAN RETREATS AND ON TV CHRISTIAN PROGRAMS SHE WAS REACHING OUT AND HELPING OTHERS AND WAS HEALING MORE OF HERSELF BY TAKING AWAY THE SHAME AND SECRETS

AS TIME WENT ON SHE THOUGHT SHE SHOULD BE  (..BY NOW ) GIVING A BRAVE VICTORIOUS FRONT THAT LIFE IS now A BED OF ROSES AND PAIN OF THE PAST WAS COMPLETELY HEALED as her new TESTIMONY

THE DIRECTOR TOLD HER AFTER A PARTICULAR INTERVIEW THAT SHE SAID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS BUT THE EYES DID NOT MATCH THE MOUTH AND HE COULD SEE IT AND THEREFORE THE PEOPLE WATCHING WILL SEE IT!

SHE TOLD HIM IF SHE BY SHARING HER STORY AND HOW IT STILL AFFECTED HER SHE MIGHT LET HER GUARD DOWN
 A LEVY MIGHT BREAK AND TEARS WILL COME!

 

 - 'I STILL HURT'

 

 AND THE DIRECTOR SAID OF COURSE YOU STILL HURT-ITS AN ONGOING PROCESS!
DAY BY DAY
AND IF U PRESENT SUCH A FACADE TO OTHERS IT WILL DISCOURAGE THEM TO THINK THEY MUST NOT BE IN THE HEALING JOURNEY THEMSELVES AS CHRISTIANS IF snap!  U HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER AND THEY DONT
( THAT WOULD BE A LIE)

GAYS NEED TO KNOW ITS OK TO STILL STRUGGLE AND BE TRUTHFUL ABOUT IT AND LIFE  DOES NOT NEC. BECOME A BED OF ROSES (OR PANSIES) WHEN JESUS SAVES U

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THORNS IN THE SIDE HERE ON EARTH

BUT NOT IN HEAVEN ( Pansies  Petunias and Poppies)
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i came across this (below) on an online blog years ago

Telling Your Story Can Save Your Life

Everyone likes a good story. Some people can immediately tell their story, while others can’t. Many of us struggle to understand our stories due to emotional pain, self-deception or pressure from family members who don’t want us to talk about the past. Whether we chose to acknowledge the past or not, we each have a story to tell. Understanding our story is the key to our healing.

 

Stories Teach Transformation
The Bible is full of stories about people who have gone before us. What would the story of Joseph, governor of Egypt mean if we had not learned the story of how his brothers sold him into slavery? Or the story of Moses if we had not heard how he was miraculously saved from genocide and trained to be Pharaoh before his shameful act of killing a man?

Consider how the story of Saul turned Paul reveals his conversion and gives credibility to his teachings. Moses wrote his story and Paul is recorded telling his story at least twice (Acts 22 and 26). Without the back-stories, Bible stories would have much less meaning. When we discover how God dealt with each person in love regardless of their mistakes, it gives us hope to make better stories with our own lives.

Our Brain Stores What We Don’t Acknowledge
Scientists have discovered our brains record everything. Famous neurosurgeon Ben Carson once said in an interview that every book we read in the fourth grade is still in our mind, we just have to access it. This also means every slap, every scream and every abuse is stored in our head. At any moment a scent, a sound or voice could trigger us to have a flashback. This is why some American veterans suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Some have PTSD because we’ve survived a war in our own homes.

A soldier is prepared and trained for combat, but a son beaten by his father is not. A soldier who comes home might realize at times he is safe, but a young girl molested by her pastor has had her most sacred trust betrayed at a time when she was at her most vulnerable. Home for this boy and church for this girl might always feel like a war zone unless they learn to put their abusive pasts into perspective. When we tell our story we discover we are not alone in our pain.

"When we tell our story,
we heal ourselves and we heal others."
-Iyanla Van Zant

Our Stories Bring Healing
The Bible is full of stories for a reason. Hearing the stories of other people helps us understand our own story and knowing  the story of Jesus brings healing. The word for salvation is Sozo which also means healing. When the Bible talks about salvation it is talking about spiritual healing for eternity. We all need healing because we were born into a sin damaged world.

This is what the Lord says:
‘Your wound is incurable,
your injury is beyond healing…
But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds…’
-Jeremiah 30:12-14, 17

Most of us feel ashamed of things we’ve done. Pride keeps us from owning our mistakes, but the Bible is clear that hiding our past is a grave mistake–

These desires give birth to sinful actions.
And when sin is allowed to grow,
it gives birth to death.
-James 1:15

People who conceal their sins will not prosper,
but if they confess and turn from them,
they will receive mercy.
- Proverbs 28:13

Our Story–Plus the Story of Jesus
is the Key to Overcoming the Enemy
We have an accuser who accuses us day and night. His accusations and lies will ultimately kill us unless we tell our story and allow the story of Jesus to heal us.

And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb
and because of the word of their testimony.
-Revelation 12:11

To gain a full understanding of this verse it helps to know Lamb is prophecy code for Jesus. Blood is prophecy code for life (Leviticus 17:14). When we understand the life of Jesus by listening to His story, it helps us write a better story for our own lives. By combining our story with the story of Jesus, we experience a new story of hope and healing. When we share our stories and allow the light of Jesus to shine through us, our lives become beautiful like stained glass windows.

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MY STORY HAS NOT ENDED AND I WILL KEEP U ALL ABREAST

WELL NOT REALLY

ONLY WITH THE SAFE CHRISTIANS

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maybe next time i should start  a thread on CONTROL ISSUES and how close they are to the DEVIL in character

"im uncomfortable or fearful or dont agree with your story so therefore i will tell u what to do or not to do and/or dictate how i think you should say and use the words/semantics i like and use SCRIPTURES to back me up!"

 

 u scratch your head cause I do share in my own way?

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and finally an allegory I made up long long ago reflecting my wonders of maybe going back to church after heartbreaking abuse at their hands!

 

there once was a man whose wife convinced him to vacation at a resort in Hawaii and paid big bucks for the two to spend 5 days and 4 night in the tropical paradise. 3 meals a day. one luau in their honour. 3 hour spa treatment with a hot pebble massage each and a helicopter ride over the island. This man doesn't like to swim but is determined to use the hotel pool/jacuzzi cause he paid for it. He is very picky about the temperature of the water so he dipped his pinky toe in the water to see if the water is fine.

will it be too cold? will it be too hot? will it be tepid? can he swim in it without freezing? can he be safe? can he trust the hotel pool staff are keeping it chlorinated/clean so he wont be sick afterwords? can he not be splashed by other guests? can he stay on the shallow till he gets comfortable enough to swim over to the deep side? can he not be rushed? can he trust he wont be swimming accidentally into other peoples elimination? can he trust some kook wont be trying to pull him down? no one will be trying to drown him? block his air? IS HE SAFE IN THE POOL AMONG THE OTHER SWIMMERS?

 

[GayatfootofCross]

by the way..

i am not speaking of individuals of wrongs perpetrated 

 kindly but alarmed of the Christian Culture and Structure of Control n Spiritual Abuse that looks nothing like JESUS CHRIST

addressing  the stories of my peers

straight and QUEER

some here may reflect on their own trauma regarding these issues

 

[LifeHiscost]

2 hours ago, GayatfootofCross said:

by the way..

i am not speaking of individuals of wrongs perpetrated 

 kindly but alarmed of the Christian Culture and Structure of Control n Spiritual Abuse that looks nothing like JESUS CHRIST

addressing  the stories of my peers

straight and QUEER

some here may reflect on their own trauma regarding these issues

 

Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, "Woman. where are thine accusers? Doth no man accuse thee?"  No man Lord! "Neither do I condemn thee. Go and sin no more." 

I may be a standing sinner, but God did not create me a sinner anymore than He made Lucifer a rebellious satan and our Father won't receive me into the kingdom while practicing sinful activity. Would that we would all accept Jesus at  His promise as He spoke by the Holy Spirit through His Servant Paul, as opposed to accepting our sinful propensities as inevitable.

…6For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; 8in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing....2 Tim 4

7But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in^a Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus....Phiippians 3

5Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the LifeI, no one comes to the Father but through Me. .…John 14

…8Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness."" Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.....2 Corinthians 12

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GayatfootofCross]

3 hours ago, Kdogae86 said:

I "liked" your first post because of its honesty and attempt to clarify my questions. I understand you may not be able to change who you are and may still have tendencies. The question still remains of whether the lifestyle is still being flaunted? If the lifestyle is being flaunted is God really at the center of the life and is there faith for God to remove the tendencies and lifestyle. Even if the urges aren't acted on is the life style still sin? I think so.

1 Corinthians 6:9New American Standard Bible (NASB)

⁹ Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived;neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor ^[a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Thanku for saying that.

[CoAspen]

Interesting question and responses....Sounds like some people still don't understand personal identity. I also get the feeling that we still have some accusers, ie, the NASB quote. What is always left out is the full context....backbiters gossipers, etc, etc.

I see no one questioning a person about being a Jewish christian, German christian, British question, Canadian christians, etc, etc, etc.  What is the real reason for the concern about someone calling them self a Gay Christian??

[GayatfootofCross]

56 minutes ago, CoAspen said:

Interesting question and responses....Sounds like some people still don't understand personal identity. I also get the feeling that we still have some accusers, ie, the NASB quote. What is always left out is the full context....backbiters gossipers, etc, etc.

I see no one questioning a person about being a Jewish christian, German christian, British question, Canadian christians, etc, etc, etc.  What is the real reason for the concern about someone calling them self a Gay Christian??

yes, I agree! But i get those questions for so many years from so many people.

People still think it's about SEX.

Well... As Iv''e said ... there is lot of reasons why i call myself a Gay Christian.

I put forward just a few.

 

I am very gay to be gay.

It has been a long hard  journey to get to here.

I wouldn't  wish my youthful self torture, unutterable shame and IGNORANCE of GOD''s REAL CHARACTER  OF THIS on anyone!

Appreciate your thoughts as always, CoAspen!

 

May the JOY of the LORD be your Strength!

 

[CoAspen]

your welcome

 

[GayatfootofCross]

 

In the other thread

 

 

there are posts there sharing what some Gay Christians have come to understand differing from the ancient patriarchal  cultural understanding and we still have confusion over the original hebrew and greekl.

Not even all Gay Christians agree

... of course

It is ok if you disagree with others theology

Just as it is ok that others  disagree with your theology on this.

It is vastly  more important to GOD how we treat each other and how we look upon each other in our disagreements

than theology itself.

 

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there is  website called Gay Christian Network

GCN

where they disagree on many of these things

(and still affirm and love each other wundevah)

mainly... some Gay Christians believe that Gay Intimacy in Gay Marriage is Right and Holy

and some Gay Christians believe they are to be celibate till they die

There is a few that Believe God can make them straight and wait for that.

 Exodus International (the honch umbrella of all ex gay ministries) has closed its doors cause truth be told ..Gay Reparative Therapy has been harming more than anything else

And it has come out that many exgays in positions of Authority were not really ex gays as I mentioned earlier.

There is a few out their I am sure

But authenticity is Screaming to be heard when it comes to Fellowship and Healing.

 

I grew up with a wonderful old fashioned conservative family  church

And they don't care for openly gays either

And I forgave them and still in fellowship with a few that are still living

God takes us where we are all at.

HE IS THAT GOOD!

[debbym]

i believe it is important for those who are open for a prospective mate to know where others are at on their attractions.  i have had sisters deeply wounded by marrying a gay guy who was designing to be straight but later broke the heart of their female mate.  and it goes both ways for gentlemen who marry a female who was never really completely happy with them.  this is a very simple and straightforward and obvious issue that may develop when people are keeping their preferences to themselves and not making them known.  

then there are people who are completely comfortable either way... it is not a relational issue for them.

honesty in relationships is very significant and powerful, and Godly.

[debbym]

many people do not know that Hitler sought to cleanse his society and he targeted gays, mentally ill, and handicapped, besides Gypsies, also named Roma... along with the more acknowledged groups. This was a wrong spirit and remains deeply wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Holocaust

"..27 January 2005, the sixtieth anniversary of the liberation of Nazi Germany's death camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau, where a combined total of up to 1.5 million Jews, Roma, Poles, Russians and prisoners of various other nationalities, and homosexuals, were murdered, is not only a major occasion for European citizens to remember and condemn the enormous horror and tragedy of the Holocaust, but also for addressing the disturbing rise in anti-Semitism, and especially anti-Semitic incidents, in Europe, and for learning anew the wider lessons about the dangers of victimising people on the basis of race, ethnic origin, religion, social classification, politics or sexual orientation... "

 

This is the work of the flesh, not the Spirit.  There are people today, SDA's included who justify stigmatising gays.  God is inclusive.

[CoAspen]

Being Gay is not a sin. Period. The Bible list homosexual activity, ie sex, as being 'abominable'.  It does not condemn the person. It would seem that some people have a difficult time accepting that people are born different, such as being gay. That is their choice, but to insist that their belief is the correct one and try to hide behind a text, w/o context, would follow under misrepresenting the Bible for their own 'bent'.

No one is trying to call any sin as being okay, just in the mind of some readers. 

If you are white, your white, if you are black, your black. If your German, your German, if you are NA, then you are NA. Being a christian does not change color, nationality, sex, etc. 

[CoAspen]

Missing the point.....

 

[CoAspen]

Gay, for those not familiar with meanings......

 

 

1. 1a :  happily excited :  merry <in a gay mood>b :  keenly alive and exuberant :  having or inducing high spirits <a bird's gay spring song>

2. 2a :  bright, lively <gay sunny meadows>b :  brilliant in color

 

[LifeHiscost]

7 hours ago, debbym said:

 

 

This is the work of the flesh, not the Spirit.  There are people today, SDA's included who justify stigmatising gays.  God is inclusive.

I would suggest He is very exclusive when finalizing who will and who won't be able to enjoy the bliss of the Kingdom of God.

 

³² And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

³³ And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

³⁴ Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

³⁵ For I was an hungred, ......thirsty, .... a stranger, .....

³⁶ Naked,.......sick, and...... in prison, and ye came unto me.

³⁷ Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

³⁸ When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

³⁹ Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

⁴⁰ And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

⁴¹ Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

⁴² For I was an hungred,..... thirsty, .......

⁴³ ........a stranger,...........naked, ...........sick, ....in prison, and ye visited me not.

⁴⁴ Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

⁴⁵ Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.....Matthew 25

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life...Revelation 21

 

God is Love!~Jesus saves! 

 

[debbym]

From LifeHisCost

God is inclusive as to who he loves, and who he died for.  We are exclusive when we exclude anyone we don't find comfortable to be around.

We are not to express bigotry or prejudice, or racism  if we claim to be representing God's and demonstrating His character.

 

everyone has the option to reject God... and God accepts each person's choice.

! Samuel 15:26  Since you have rejected the Lord’s command, he has rejected you as king of Israel.”

and vs 22   But Samuel replied, “What is more pleasing to the Lord:  your burnt offerings and sacrifices   or your obedience to his voice?
Listen! Obedience is better than sacrifice,  and submission is better than offering the fat of rams.

when we think God is pleased because we bring great sacrifices or do great things to honor him, while disregarding his plain commands we are in a sorry position, we are rejecting Him.  He has given the command to love our neighbors as we love ourselves...  we cannot disregard this command and perform religious exercises to please God.

[CoAspen]

GayatfootofCross

It look like to me their are some people who will always be blind to the face in the mirror.

We should all be 'happy' with ourselves. We could go about beating our breast and having numerous issues or accept who we are and move on with life. It really bothers me that no matter what you say or have said, there are those who continue to misconstrue your words while hiding behind text splatter. According to my Bible their are many more words about those who continue on that path rather than homosexuals. It is a common problem among humans to always look at others rather than themselves. It can really be tuff to look in the mirror and see our selfs true character rather than surmising about the character of others.

Ignore the ignorant!!

[GayatfootofCross]

2 hours ago, CoAspen said:

 

14 hours ago, Gail said:

 

GayatfootofCross

It look like to me their are some people who will always be blind to the face in the mirror.

We should all be 'happy' with ourselves. We could go about beating our breast and having numerous issues or accept who we are and move on with life. It really bothers me that no matter what you say or have said, there are those who continue to misconstrue your words while hiding behind text splatter. According to my Bible their are many more words about those who continue on that path rather than homosexuals. It is a common problem among humans to always look at others rather than themselves. It can really be tuff to look in the mirror and see our selfs true character rather than surmising about the character of others.

Ignore the ignorant!!

CoAspen

lucky there are controls here And I do use them!

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2 hours ago, jackson said:

7 hours ago, debbym said:

14 hours ago, Gail said:

Throughout the Old Testament there were leaders who connected themselves with the terrible sins of their people in their prayers to God: Nehemiah, Daniel, Moses. They identified themselves as idolatrous even though they were not. It's not a me vs them mentality that they had, rather one that they were all sinners together. 

 

 

 

And thank you all for all the kindness and love I see.

I have been been judged and juried thousands of times.

And it always says more worse things about them than me,

And I cant care if people believe me or not when i become vulnerable and share the deep things of God in relation to

Lesbian

Gay

Bi

Transgender

Intersex

QUEER

Questioning

Asexual

Ally

Pan

I still will share and the chips will fall where they may.

Just as we all do

And,of Course we choose what to share and what not to share and choose our words and topics

It is unChristlike for to think we can dictate it.

And thank you all for everyone helping me tell my story

I am really touched by this!

God loves loves LOVES Queers with an everlasting love and with lovingkindness draws them ..even when His children does everything in it' power to repel them

.... the unkindness!

God's love is the good news for everyone else too

 

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a note here

let's say it's true that my buddy and i of over 26 years express our love and commitment thru sodomy like the pigs we are

and marching in gay parades in all the major cities wearing GLITTER galore

Would Jesus let us come into Church Building? (after a shower)

Walk in the Sanctuary and sit in the front?

Would HE and His Children treat  us with kindness and dignity and respect.

Would Jesus welcome me and my pig daddy at His Fellowship Dinner promptly at 12:15pm?

Among all the people at HIS Table who feel so close to translation cause they do no sin?

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Now on a truer note

My buddy and I are struggling with the flu in the last three days

Walking around the house with aches and pain and coughing  and blowing of the noses in a quiet dark house in misery.

NOT FEELING LIKE EATING ANYTHING

Not receiving phone calls or visitors to our humble abode.

And when times like these comes..  I am reminded of my times of great physical pain or mental anguish

I become so selfish and my needs seem to outweigh others

I think about GOD on the Cross..even  in great agony ..the most unselfish Being in all the Universe

reaching out to His Mother and the Killer (thief) in death and blackness

That is the love we are to have for one another

Whether they/we deserve it or not,

The only fruit of the Spirit we can see on an internet forum is KINDNESS and even sometimes possibly JOY

 

 

 

We are all  worse than we think

God is better than we think also!

 

[Gail]

Again, you are accusing him of sinning. It's like condemning a reformed alcoholic of drinking or a diabetic of wrong diet. 

Why would any gay person want to come to church after being treated like this? 

In the Bible God is supportive of the oppressed and afflicted. He takes them from where they are and shows them a better way. They already know condemnation from what man heaps on them. And too often it is Christians keeping gays from Jesus.

Here is someone who is active in the church, who loves others and while identifying with his brothers does not partake of their sin. He has accepted the blood of Christ. Just because he posts of the affliction of people like him you accuse him of sinning.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

If a pastor's car is parked out in front of a known prostitute's home overnight, does that mean the pastor is participating in illicit sex with a prostitute?

Appearances can be deceiving.  That's why it's best to consider one's own besetting sins, instead of judging (yes, JUDGING) someone else.  

Some will quote the text, to "abstain from all appearance of evil" (1 Thess 5:22) as scriptural "back-up" to not be involved with other gay people if one is gay.  That's not what the verse means, in my opinion.  The verse means that if *you* perceive something as evil, *you* shouldn't do it.  But no one has the right to insist that others be under the same compunction as oneself.  For instance, suppose one feels strongly that coffee is an evil drink.  Should that preclude everyone else from drinking it?  Of course, not.

It's not wise to set one's scriptural interpretations as the measure by which everyone else must abide.  It is the Holy Spirit who convicts persons of their sins.  He doesn't need our help in doing that.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

You are labeling someone you don't know.  

In a way, your responses could lead someone to think that if you (if you are a straight single male) were living in the same household as a single female, that you would be having intimate relations with that female.  Assumptions such as that, and of those you are placing on Gay, are ridiculous and without justification.

It reminds me of a newspaper clipping I have from 1913.  It's a report of a group of men visiting women & staying overnight at a house of "ill repute"... Neighbors were infuriated and called the police to arrest the men and women having the illicit interludes.  The police barged into the house -- only to find that the House of Ill Repute was the city home of four sisters, and the young men who came on the weekends were their brothers who worked at the family farm in the country during the week.  True story.  My grandmother was one of the young ladies.

As far as "subjectivising" the Bible, well, that's open to debate.  Seriously, though, many of the Scriptural texts can have different messages to different people.  That's why the Bible is not merely a list of "Thou shalt not's"...  It is to be a personal message to each individual.  

You may or may not agree... but my, nor anyone else's salvation and relationship with God does not rest with your interpretation of the Scriptures, nor your errant evaluation of others. 

[Stan]

@Kdogae86, and @we are transitioning to have people use their real names here.  Our first step is for those who feel like they have advice to give others, and those who like to point out evils or errors with the Church,

As you can understand, it gives more credibility when people post using their real names.

 

That does not mean people do not need to be given advice, it means we need to add more credibility to the statement

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

It's not a wise thing to lie to me.  I didn't give out any information that isn't available online.  Everything I wrote is public info, and was actually written by the individual himself.  Publicly.

There was a lot more I could have added, but didn't, including home address, home phone, date of birth, parents information, etc.  

 

[bonnie]

9 minutes ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said:

It's not a wise thing to lie to me.  I didn't give out any information that isn't available online.  Everything I wrote is public info, and was actually written by the individual himself.  Publicly.

There was a lot more I could have added, but didn't, including home address, home phone, date of birth, parents information, etc.  

 

I am sure there is a lot of information about many that are on here.Should they expect to have this happen in the event they irritate the powers that be or if someone feels they are lying?

 

Would all be treated in this manner or as was said, be forced to use their name if  those who like to point out evils or errors with the Church, .Can 

 

[Stan]

@bonnie this is more to stop bullying.