Christ's Gethsemane Bleeding

[Raphael]

According to EGW, at the peak struggle of Christ, which happened in the Gethsemane garden where He sweated blood, it was because of the fear of being seperated eternally, with the chance of never to reunite again with His Father.. And if not wrong EGW added that that was how offensive sin is to God.. I guess what else if not to emphasize how trully Christ felt scared of that possibility..

Now from logic's perspective.. If Christ the manifestation of God's supreme perfection did indeed experience that fear then it's clearly an act of lack of faith or disbelief, even though how fleeting these thoughts maybe.. Rendering Christ imperfect.. 

Now aside from simple logic, one can also ask upstairs on this matter. And what really happened was not fear but simply from not used or not accustomed to.. There was totally no fear or the reflection of doubt in Him. In opposite to what EGW emphasis about sin's offensiveness, the turmoil that bear blood instead is the reflection of how deep His bonds are with God the Father.. Soo soo deep that it shook his physic to sweat blood but but but clearly in the TOTAL absence of fear.

What example can i come up with.. Ok, children are very very dependent beings and if left in unfamiliar environments (even though promised will be fetched again), like among strangers, strange things, or unfamiliar settings will suffer from mild to severe reactions.. Sort sorta crudely like that.. But basically (unnecessarily) without fear, more to simply unaccustomed.. Or maybe for those never slept outside there home, their first nights outside in unfamiliar settings are guaranteed to be sleepless..

These 2 examples are of only mild undesired reactions.. Which shows Christ's bond is extremely far deeper then the bond with a home and bed that's never been "left".. I remember stories of bonds forged in the fire of war and great turmoils, begat greater "life and death bonds". I guess Christ's bond with God the Father is beyond our comprehension because it deals with infinity in time, power, and everything..

[Gail]

Someone has been thinking!  

[Gregory Matthews]

If you would provide a reference, we could check it out to see if [EGW] actually said what you suggest.

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[phkrause]

It just amazies me how many want to slam EGW!!!!!!!!! For whatever reason they can. I think there's a forum for that!!!!!

[Tom Wetmore]

I am not so sure the underlying assumption is valid.  If I understand what Raphael is saying fear = sin, because it shows lack of faith or disbelief. Or perhaps it is the lack of faith or disbelief (two somewhat different concepts really, IMHO) that are the sin that causes fear.  Maybe doubt should be included as an alternative rather than disbelief, although I am not sure if Raphael intended disbelief as a synonym to lack of faith or as an alternative concept that caused fear.

But this may be worth exploring regardless of the precise point.  Are any of these actually sin?  Is fear itself sin or a normal human emotion?  How about disbelief or doubt?  What about lack of faith?  What about related concepts that might cause fear, like caution, actual knowledge and experience of bad or dangerous consequences resulting from a particular course of action, uncertainty, or any number of other causes of fear? Is it matters of degree? Does it require an action as a result  in sin?  What about doubt, disbelief or lack of faith?

To muddy the waters, I fear that this is going in a wrong direct and have serious doubts about the underlying assumptions/premise and do not believe (disbelief) that any of these is sin.  Does that really demonstrate a lack of faith?  Or something else?

[Robert]

[To Gregory regarding reference:]

Desire of Ages, by E.G. White, p 753

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[GayatfootofCross]

i love the OP touching on the eternal bond that i believe in eternity we may never truly fathom

 

amen!

What wondrous.. ?

[Raphael]

Happy Sabbath.

Sorry, only remember clearly reading EGW statements on this.. Stating that fear (inserted by Satan) was in Christ's heart when sweating blood in Gethsemane.. Fear is the reflection of loss of faith. Remember how Christ in another instance demonstrated His awesomeness in that matter?

Remember that gotta-be-super-loud stormy night at lake Galilee? All humans present there had their panicking throbbing hearts in their throats and the boat was even sinking.. Do you think Christ was trully asleep? Why upon the instant He awoke He said ye of little faith, tenderly rebuking His disciples.. How was He instantly able to grasp the entirety of what was going? Unless just pretending to sleep.. Just like when He walk on the waters of Galilee, that too, He pretended not to see His disciples on the boat and only responded when called upon by his disciples.

EGW has lots of great and verified writings and statements. But there are rare cases that don't match with the big picture.. Though mostly not on something glaringly obvious or discernable.. It's because lots of her statements have weight that's why in the eternal realms as the final frontiers.. Many including me, recall and use her statements as sources of assistance to cast light upon the obscure blurry vision allowed for us.. That's another qoutation from her though not in exact same words and please don't ask me what page and what book.