hch Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 The question has been asked of me if there is anything in Daniel that connects to Obama's term as president? yes but I keep dozing so I'll have to f/u in AM. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted April 3, 2016 Members Share Posted April 3, 2016 32 minutes ago, hch said: The question has been asked of me if there is anything in Daniel that connects to Obama's term as president? yes but I keep dozing so I'll have to f/u in AM. we'll hold you to that, Henry! Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Pam, I will attempt to use the kiss principle (keep it simple saints) and I as everyone who replies to this thread to do likewise. Long posts make things so complicated. LifeHiscost, rudywoofs (Pam), Martn and 2 others 5 Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Daniel 2 Daniel tells the king "you are the head of gold" It ends "in the days of these kings" (2:44) It is commonly assumed that 2:44 is referring to "in the days of these [endtime] kings" Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Daniel 2 The book of Daniel was shut sealed and closed up until the time of the end. Dan 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Dan 12:9 "And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Daniel 2 Much of Daniel was understood by the 2nd century AD, Martin Luther (1500's) and Isaac Newton (1600) and the 1612 KJV translators understood the 4-kingdoms that confirmed the meaning of Daniel 2 before the time of the end when Daniel was unsealed and opened. Thus it is assumed that the entire book of Daniel was not shut up, closed and sealed. Did God shut up the book of Daniel? Did God seal the book of Daniel? Did God close the book of Daniel? Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Daniel's prophecy has made the connection in Daniel 2,4,7,8,9 &11 confirms it. but for me to say abc without showing what the word of God says, I'd be wasting my time and yours too. BUT if we don't understand the waymarks, we won't understand the fulfillment. As I read it: Christ will come while Obama is America's President. And if I misread it I hope someone will tell me as this study progresses Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 3, 2016 Members Share Posted April 3, 2016 4 hours ago, Kevin(wrx) said: Should we assume the mark of the beast has already occurred? I would say no!! The reason I say no, is that we have not yet brought "Sunday Laws" to the forefront. The Pope has started to head in that direction! hch 1 Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Kevin(wrx) said: That makes it hard to believe Christ will return during Obama's reign then. You are absolutely correct. I've been studying this very intensively since 1997, and it just hit me that we're at the end of the prophecy. But Jesus has to come some day. And the difficulty for the generation living when Jesus comes is going to be like that in Noah's day. They could not fathom that time was up and it would rain in their day. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 The basics that I presented thus far seem like no brainers, but are we all still on the same page? In a few posts, tradition is going to be put to the test. What then? Will God's word prevail? Or will something learned in SS many years ago that has been echoed from the pulpit until it is etched in stone (even though it may not be completely accurate)? Since light is to increase until Jesus comes, are we going to follow that light? Or are we going to stand fast and let the light move away from us until we are in total darkness? Kevin(wrx) 1 Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 How did God seal, shut up, and close the meaning of the book of Daniel until the time of the end? In Daniel the word translated as kingdom has always been translated as realm, reign or royal throne elsewhere. By focusing on the ancient kingdoms that the translators understood as having fulfilled Daniel's prophecy, the translators shut up and closed the meaning of the reigns of the endtime kings. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 4 hours ago, hch said: The basics that I presented thus far seem like no brainers, but are we all still on the same page? In a few posts, tradition is going to be put to the test. What then? Will God's word prevail? Or will something learned in SS many years ago that has been echoed from the pulpit until it is etched in stone (even though it may not be completely accurate)? Since light is to increase until Jesus comes, are we going to follow that light? Or are we going to stand fast and let the light move away from us until we are in total darkness? It is the better part of wisdom to recognize that present truth never contradicts that which was true in the past. It needs only to be applied to its' proper setting. …7Remember those who led you, who spoke the word of God to you; and considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith. 8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 9Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.… Hebrews 13 31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."... John 8 "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; .....John 14 God is Love!~Jesus saves! hch 1 Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 God used the understanding of the Bible translators that saw prophecy fulfilled before their day to seal Daniel. Before the endtime meaning of Daniel's prophecy was opened, the translators declared that it had been fulfilled by their use of the word kingdoms rather than the words realm or reign. Daniel 2 applies to the reigns of the kings of Babylon: the head of gold and the days of these kings. It is not until Daniel 7 that the meaning of the kings is expanded to include the fact that a king stands in for his kingdom. But by introducing the kingdom interpretation prematurely, the natural progression of prophetic understanding is impeded. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 13 minutes ago, LifeHiscost said: It is the better part of wisdom to recognize that present truth never contradicts that which was true in the past. It needs only to be applied to its' proper setting. This is so true. The Jews fell on this very point. They took prophecies relating to Christ's second advent and applied them to His first. And by doing so, they rejected Jesus because He did not fit their understanding. And we are in danger of repeating the error by prematurely applying prophecy to the past that relates to the endtime. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Repeat and enlarge Daniel 1: Obey God or the king? Disobey the king and die? God intervened behind the scenes Daniel 2: Die with the disobedient, even though God's people were not disobeying the king. God intervened behind the scenes Daniel 3: Obey God or the king? Disobey the king and die? God intervened miraculously Daniel 4: The king who demanded obedience refused to obey God. God intervened miraculously Daniel 5: The king refused to obey God. God intervened miraculously Daniel 6: Obey God or the king? Disobey the king and die? God intervened miraculously The theme of obedience to God vs obedience to the king repeats until the end of Daniel Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Repeat and enlarge Daniel 1: Babylon compels captives to be in her kingdom - God invites people to be in His kingdom Daniel 2: Babylon is depicted as a multi metal idol a counterfeit of God's sanctuary service -gold, silver, brass, iron, clay Daniel 3: Babylon is depicted as pure gold - God's people have faith like pure gold Daniel 4: Babylon is to be destroyed - God will preserve it until its final destruction Daniel 5: Babylon is destroyed - God will not allow it to be built again Daniel 6: Babylon's successor compels captives to be in her kingdom - God invites people to be in His kingdom and so the repeat and enlarge principle continues Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 In Daniel 2 the idol depicts 1) Babylon's idolatry contrasted with the metals and clay in God's sanctuary 1Ch_29:2 "Now I have prepared with all my might for the house of my God the gold for things to be made of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and the brass for things of brass, the iron for things of iron..." Thou art the porter, I am the clay When Solomon built the Sanctuary the metals were fashioned/cast using clay molds 2Ch 4:17 "In the plain of Jordan did the king cast them, in the clay ground between Succoth and Zeredathah." 2) The decline of spirituality 3) the decline of morality 4) successive kingdoms 5) King Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty: Nebuchadnezzar, Evil-Meridoch, Neglasser, Nabonidus, Belshazzar Jer_27:7 "And all nations shall serve him [Nebuchadnezzar], and his son [Evil-Meridoch], and his son's son [grandson, Belshazzar], until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him." Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 To reason that the idol in Daniel 2 is ONLY a series of successive kingdoms is to miss the big picture. The idol depicts at least 5 things. Since Daniel repeats and enlarges each of these meanings adds to our understanding to make the big picture Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 If the basics are not rightly understood, President Obama's place in Daniel's prophecy will never be grasped. As Daniel repeats and enlarges, he stands in his lot in the endtime. Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 " I saw evil angels contending for souls, and angels of God resisting them. The conflict was severe. Evil angels were crowding about them, corrupting the atmosphere with their poisonous influence, and stupefying their sensibilities. Holy angels were anxiously watching these souls, and were waiting to drive back Satan's host. But it is not the work of good angels to control minds against the will of the individuals. If they yield to the enemy, and make no effort to resist him, then the angels of God can do but little more than hold in check the host of Satan, that they should not destroy, until further light is given to those in peril, to move them to arouse and look to Heaven for help. Jesus will not commission holy angels to extricate those who make no effort to help themselves." {4bSG 104.6} Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 "In the order of God most wonderful and advanced truths would be proclaimed. The first and second angels' messages were to be proclaimed, but no further light was to be revealed before these messages had done their specific work." {7BC 971.6} "Daniel's prophecies have their proper place in the first, second, and third angels' messages to be given to the world. The unsealing of the little book was the message in relation to time." {1MR 99.2} 2Co_6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.) Hos_4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted April 4, 2016 Administrators Share Posted April 4, 2016 Henry, at this pace, you will run out of time within Obama's term as president. Just get to the point of explaining how you see how anything in Daniel the connects to Obama's term as president. You have boldly predicted that Christ will return while Obama is president. What makes you believe that? If Daniel give a clue that leads to that specific of a prediction, it should be more than a hunch or rank speculation. Unchained, hch, phkrause and 5 others 8 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 On 4/3/2016 at 11:12 AM, Kevin(wrx) said: Should we assume the mark of the beast has already occurred? Considering beast in the Bible refers to certain earthly kingdoms, kingly powers may be identified by various identifying characteristics, therefor pursue those characteristics, ie: that would tend to identify that nation. This has many more answers thas I have. http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4997/t/the-mark-of-the-beast This has many more answers than I can give off the cuff. MARK OF THE BEAST (666) Mark Of Devil - Evangelical www.evangelicaloutreach.org/markbeast.htm According to the Scriptures, the mark of the beast is received on the right hand or forehead. With modern technology, it is very possible that this mark may be ... People also ask Who has the mark of the beast? Answer: The answer is threefold and very clear: A. Those who have God's mark, or sign (His Sabbath), in their foreheads (Revelation 7:3). B. Those who refused to identify with the beast or his image and who refused to have his mark or name in their foreheads (Revelation 15:2). The Mark of the Beast. | Amazing Facts www.amazingfacts.org/media.../the-mark-of-the-beast..aspx?... Search for: Who has the mark of the beast? What is the number of the beast? 616 is believed by some to have been the original Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible. Different early versions of the Book of Revelation gave different numbers, and 666 had been widely accepted as the original number. 616 (number) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_(number) Search for: What is the number of the beast? Why is the number of the beast 666? Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Here is wisdom: The one who has understanding must calculate the number of the beast, because it is the number of a man. His number is 666. Revelation 13:18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has ... biblehub.com/revelation/13-18.htm Search for: Why is the number of the beast 666? What is the 666? God is Love!~Jesus save! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 5 hours ago, LifeHiscost said: Considering beast in the Bible refers to certain earthly kingdoms, kingly powers may be identified by various identifying characteristics, therefor pursue those characteristics, ie: that would tend to identify that nation. This has many more answers thas I have. I would agree that this is true at face value. But herein lies a danger: "beast in the Bible refers to certain earthly kingdoms." Is that an absolute truth? If it is not true in every instance, will applying that understanding to Bible study lead to more truth or conceal the truth from us? Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hch Posted April 5, 2016 Author Share Posted April 5, 2016 5 hours ago, LifeHiscost said: Considering beast in the Bible refers to certain earthly kingdoms, kingly powers may be identified by various identifying characteristics, therefor pursue those characteristics, ie: that would tend to identify that nation. This has many more answers thas I have. In Daniel 2 the metals in the idol initially identified men: the kings of Babylon. It was not until Daniel 7 repeated and enlarged the prophecy through another vision that the symbolic metals were expanded from meaning men to depict earthly kingdoms by the use of symbolic beasts. Every time a kingdom arose according to the pattern given of Heaven, it sealed the authenticity of Daniel's vision. God's word through His prophet is sure. But did the successive kingdoms also shut up and close the vision as God had commanded? The mindset prevails: in Bible prophecy, beasts are kingdoms. The word of God is clear. The meaning of the great beasts in Daniel 7 is interpreted by Heaven: "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings" (Daniel 7:17). The challenge: understanding that beasts can depict KINGDOMS are we authorized or supposed to insert our temporal understanding into the prophecy to make void a clear thus saith the Lord? Quote His child Henry Bible student/Author https://www.loudcry101.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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