Socialized National Health Care DOESN'T WORK!*

[bevin]

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Our military is large once again because of the War on Terror.

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ROFLOL

You don't drive Abrams Tanks, submarines, aircraft carriers, B-2 bombers, and F-22 Raptors around the world to fight terrorist cells.

You mean the War on Islam or the War On Countries Dick Cheney Doesn't Like or the War To Defend Our Oil Supplies.

/Bevin

[Gerr]

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Well it is the same reason a guy who has a neighber that parks his police car in his driveway each evening doesn't need to buy a security alarm.

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Actually most countries maintain armies large enough to defend themselves against their immediate threats.

The USA maintains an army large enough to BE an immediate threat to most regions of the world. The purpose of the US military is not just to defend the US of A - instead it is to be a massive threat against any and all other countries/coalitions.

/Bevin

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[:"blue"]If you look at history, Bevin, you will find that nations have banded together to oppose a nation that had become too much of a threat to others. Where are these coalitions against the USA today? Who is the USA threatening to take over? Have we taken anyone's oilfields? Who gives more aid & provide more free food to hungry countries? If anything, it is American world power that is probably keeping the whole world from exploding. Many oppose US policies, sure, but I suspect it's more from jealousy than anything else. [/]

Gerry

Gerry

[Dr. Shane]

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You don't drive Abrams Tanks, submarines, aircraft carriers, B-2 bombers, and F-22 Raptors around the world to fight terrorist cells.

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This shows a lack of understanding of our military and the War on Terror. Air power and mobility are essencials in the War on Terror. Our aircraft carriors, submarines and destroyers are mobile military bases. Heavy armour provide protection against small arms and road-side bombs. Far from having too much, we don't have enough.

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You mean the War on Islam or the War On Countries Dick Cheney Doesn't Like or the War To Defend Our Oil Supplies.

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Now that sounds like Osamma bin Laden.

[bevin]

Maybe if the governments and majority of the citizens of the foreign countries actually wanted to help...

/Bevin

[Dr. Shane]

Well, like it or not, that is a big reason why Americans pay a lot in taxes and still don't have social healthcare.

[Neil D]

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If you look at history, Bevin, you will find that nations have banded together to oppose a nation that had become too much of a threat to others. Where are these coalitions against the USA today? Who is the USA threatening to take over? Have we taken anyone's oilfields? Who gives more aid & provide more free food to hungry countries? If anything, it is American world power that is probably keeping the whole world from exploding. Many oppose US policies, sure, but I suspect it's more from jealousy than anything else.

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This is true, Gerry....Western History shows that the powerful countries that were expanding by war, typically had many coalitions against them....

Now during the last 5 years, the US has squandered much of it's good will, and unilaterally made moves that many countries did not want to see. We are in another type of war, a war against Islam and it is growing....We have typically ignored those persian countries because we did not think that they had much of value....Now, if we can wean ourselves from Middle Eastern Oil, we would incurr thier wraths as they would then not have #### to fight those 'infidels'....

[Dr. Shane]

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the US has... unilaterally made moves that many countries did not want to see.

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I cannot think of a unilateral move the US has made in recent years. We did back out of the treaty that forbid us from developing IBMs and I guess that was unilateral.

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We are in another type of war, a war against Islam

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We are at war with fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. Not all Islamics are terrorists. Let's not paint them all with the same brush.

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if we can wean ourselves from Middle Eastern Oil

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We buy very little of our oil from the Middle East. If wew wean ourselves from it, Europe and the Far East will quickly buy up what we are no longer buying.

The issue is if the US decreases its demand or increases its domestic supply that will impact the worldwide price of oil - regardless if we buy Middle East oil or not. However if China and India continue to grow at their present rate, even then, the impact would be minimal.