Stan Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Well, it is not that. BUT a Black Pastor, well respected, has been asked to serve as President in a conference in Mid-America. I would think this will be well accepted. Could be wrong. Would it ever work the other way around? Thoughts?? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 hmm I expected more traffic than this <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I guess it SHOULD work, especially seeing he is "well-respected", but no doubt he will have his critics, just waiting for his first mistake so they can say, "I told you so!". ......but what if it read "a female pastor, well respected..."? Just a thought! Quote "Grace is God doing for us, in us and through us that which He requires of us but which is impossible for us to do in or for ourselves." But He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." 2 Cor. 12:9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 7, 2006 Moderators Share Posted March 7, 2006 Quote: Stan Jensen said: Would it ever work the other way around? It depends if he were "well repected" I'm puzzled by the use of that phrase! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> I'm puzzled by the use of that phrase! <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> He is someone that I think any conference would want, or even plead for, one of the denominations top notch leaders. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I doubt it would work the other way around becuase part of the reason we still need black conferences is so that blacks are assured positions of leadership in the NAD. How many leaders do we have of others races (hispanics, asian) and how does it compared to their percentage of membership that makes up our church? Being that these minority groups are the fastest growing in NAD, if they don't get their fair share of leadership positions would it be appropriate for them to ask for their own conferences? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 Not sure that is the reason for them, I would hope that it would be to target certain groups for the kingdom. I would like to see more conference similar to the regional conference. having Korean conference to focus the gospel on Koreans in north America would be one example. I would even like a conference to focus on the upscale professions, an area we do not even touch. BUT and please read this, we can share the same schools, we can share the same universities, we can all go to the same camp meetings etc etc. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 to add to this, and I was hoping someone would say this, there are no things as white conferences. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 7, 2006 Moderators Share Posted March 7, 2006 I think it could work the other way around. People of color have experience of accepting white leadership. They do it all the time, at work, in the school system. If people of color understand that you are inclusive, you understand their stuggle, that you have their best interests at heart as a general rule they will elect you. There are few few white pastors that I have met that really understand the issues that concern people of color the way they do. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clio Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Quote A heart where He alone has first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 We just hired a black pastor for our white congregation. Looking forward to getting to know them. olger Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_McQueen Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 The more I have conversations I realise the racial dynamics in the UK are quite unique, maybe as a result of the "Commonwealth" are quite different. I have seen the dynamics work both ways. I have a funny feeling that undercurrents are in place to have a "white" conference president in south England as we have had a "black" one for the last 15 or so years. To be honest as its not my experience I still struggle to understand why black conferences still exist in the US. I mean in anticipation of the incoming kingdom and in the 21st Century. Quote Firstborn Ministries: Spoken and written word, without apology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 20, 2006 Moderators Share Posted March 20, 2006 Quote: David_McQueen said: To be honest as its not my experience I still struggle to understand why black conferences still exist in the US. I mean in anticipation of the incoming kingdom and in the 21st Century. David I didn't understand either before I pastored in the US. Frankly, I though the whole notion of a black conference was rediculous and unchristian for the same reasons you state. Then I began to pastor in a white conference and I realise why there are black conferences! Other churches have split e.g. Baptist, Methodists. We have chosen to stay together but essentially to have a church within a church! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_McQueen Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 I still see it as divisive. Cant help but think "What Would Jesus Do?" Quote Firstborn Ministries: Spoken and written word, without apology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 "To be honest as its not my experience I still struggle to understand why black conferences still exist in the US. I mean in anticipation of the incoming kingdom and in the 21st Century." I appreciate this statement, David. I feel the same way. If we were to ask Paul what he thinks of it, he would no doubt say "I've already told you what God thinks." "For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?" Dr. Sam Pipim is working to bring these barriers down, along with other brethren. I hope it happens gcw Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 23, 2006 Moderators Share Posted March 23, 2006 I guess a good way to start the process of getting rid of black and white conferences is to understand why this situation arose in the first place. Secondly, deal with those issues in order to bring reconcilliation and healing. By the way i'm in favour or disbanding all conferences that are race specific black or white. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 What is the history of the Black conference? Why was it started in the first place? Also dont we have a Hispanic conference here in the US too? Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted March 24, 2006 Moderators Share Posted March 24, 2006 http://www.oakwood.edu/ocgoldmine/hdoc/thestory/ Amelia, Here's a link that describes some of the history and issues that surround the birth of Regional (black) conferences. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 "By the way i'm in favour or disbanding all conferences that are race specific black or white." Amen, brother. gcw Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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