Has Babylon fallen, has fallen, yet?

[B/W Photodude]

1 minute ago, 8thdaypriest said:

I've read it.  Scolding noted.  Also reading "The 1844 Investigative Judgment - Fact or Fiction" by Roy Ingram. 

Then the following comment made earlier was just gratuitous mockery!

59 minutes ago, 8thdaypriest said:

I thought it was called the "Great Disappointment" because no one, on that date in 1844,  was able to "observe" anything happening. 

You may also consider the book by the same author (Goldstein) called "False Balances."

[stinsonmarri]

On 7/5/2018 at 1:54 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

Revelation 17:12-17   And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. 13 These are united in yielding their power and authority to the beast; 14 they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful." 15 And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the whore is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the whore; they will make her desolate and naked; they will devour her flesh and burn her up with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by agreeing to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled. (NRS)

In the last months of this age, the whole world will worship the Beast (and the Dragon behind him). 

The Beast has 7 heads (which I believe are sequential).   

The final head receives a "deadly wound", but that head comes back to life.   That head grows 10 horns, minus 3, plus 1 - the little horn which grows to rule the rest.

The "horns" with crowns are concurrent.  They must be concurrent to all attack "the whore" at the same time. 

"And all who dwell on the earth will worship him" (the Beast and his little horn enforcer) except those whose names are written in the Book of Life (Rev 13:8). 

I believe that in the last days, this earth will be divided into 10 regions, each ruled by one of the "ten kings".  This in an effort to bring peace to the worlds warring nations. 

All the 10 will yield their authority to the Beast, and will give military support to the Beast.  

Interesting that "God has put it into their hearts" to give their authority and power to the Beast, to carry out the Beast's plans to destroy "the whore".   Must mean the Lord is executing His judgment on "the whore". 

It makes me wonder.  Maybe Israel (the modern nation) will refuse to be incorporated into one of the 10 regions, not wanting to be ruled by one of the 10 kings. 

 

If you notice what I said: "Here again is a prophecy that especially fits the last days. In history all the nations of the earth have never gather together. Secondly all have never destroyed Jerusalem together at one time, this is a future prediction." I also including and explain prophetically the one hour. So that means, I agree that in the end or when probation begins:

1. The whole world will worship the Beast except those with the whore. They are the  "unclean and hateful birds." Rev 18:2 ( the Beast and his little horn enforcer that you stated is not Biblical. You will never find these two words together. The little horn was on* the head of the beast (Dan 7:20), that became an head in Rev 13:1, 3. The beast has seven heads attach and he did come from the seventh head or the whore. That is why she is riding him but he  is the eighth. Rev 17:3, 7, 11  Remember the Book of Daniel and Revelation are the same book. Revelation provides the missing gaps in Daniel. Dan 12:4

Many appear to misunderstand Rev 17:9, 10 that deals with explicitly with the mountains/kings that the Bible says: a: "hath wisdom;" b. "...on which the woman sitteth." c. "And there are seven kings: five are fallen," Wisdom is from THE MOST HIGH and here is understanding five kingdoms/empires have fallen. These are the exact same kingdoms or empires that the Bible From Genesis to Daniel that are constantly spoken of: Assyria, Egypt, Neo-Babylon, Persia and Greece! d. "and one is," let's make sense, Gabriel is speaking to John and tell him that one is during his time! Rome or Pagan Rome! e. "and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." It is papacy Rome and the reason is the short time she ruled compare to the other empires.

2.  YAHWEH then will execute HIS Judgment on "the whore," first. You do not see her cast into the lake of fire you see the "10," kings will hate her and the "great city," she will future occupied which is Jerusalem/Babylon and the hateful and unclean birds are her daughters who will be destroyed with her! Revelation Chapter 11 and 17 are related.

The Bible speaks for itself if we just read exactly what it says.

* All other versions says "on his head."

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

On 7/4/2018 at 11:28 PM, Ron Amnsn said:

Although in some English translations of the Bible it does say it was 70 "weeks" (which in normal English would always refer to periods of seven days, making 490 days), the original Hebrew does not say "weeks." 

That is correct but YAHWEH had in the very beginning a Calendar. YAHSHUA stated very clearly HE is ALPHA and OMEGA, the BEGINNING and THE END. Gen 1:14 has been extremely overlook:

And Elohim/Eloah said, “Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years, Scripture 98+,  LEB, JUB (NIV -Sacred times). 

The  Paleo Hebrew word "moded," very important. Season is define today as "each of the four divisions of the year (spring, summer, autumn, and winter) marked by particular weather patterns and daylight hours, resulting from the earth's changing position with regard to the sun." Originally  from Latin "sationem (nominative satio") meaning sowing or plating: to sow." There were  no divisions of the year when the earth was first created. It was after the flood that YAHWEH stated clearly these words:

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. Gen 8:22 

The earth had gone through a tremendous change. Water crystal protected the earth was around the earth just above the lithosphere from the sun, came down. The water that was gather together in one place overflow and burst open the granite or land mass. The water cover the whole earth even above the mountains that were created then. Rocks were spewed everywhere and the ark as strong as it was still needed protection, the ark enter the lithosphere. Water is heavy and simply cause the earth to moved from its original rotation around the sun. It had to for the wind to produce what science call the "ice age." The rocks and ice decayed the bodies on the earth at that time. Keep in mind that the people were together in one place and over time was scattered. The land also was divided during the time of Peleg with meteorites and earthquakes, separating the land mass. Both the North and South Pole was establish, and most of the land mass were covered with ice for a period of time, not thousand or millions of years. It did take hundred of years as man move to various places. The flood also cause volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunami, Island sinking and others appearing, hurricanes, tornadoes, monsoon rain and so much more. Also, these people were of great height and so were the animals. There were more people way more then the eight billion that we have today!

The word "moed," is appointed set time and are related to the Holy Convocation days. Most do not know that these days were very significant with YAHWEH'S Calendar because they help to show a seven day cycle. During the time of Noah before the flood was 12 months of 30 days but after the flood the earth was not in its original place, the moon and the sun could not orbit equally. Some of the moon or months had 29 days or 30 days.

In Gen 7:4, ELOAH tells Noah that the flood rains were going to begin in seven days. From the very start of the events of the Creation, ELOAH had ordered temporal things according to an seven days cycle. There is no historical precedent for an seven days cycle in history that cannot be traced back to what the Creator instituted in the beginning of Creation.

Let's understand that the specific Lunar/Solar Calendar days were recorded in the Biblical and left a record of the flood. Lunar/Solar were also  enshrined the Holy Convocation days as HIS Set Time that was a part of YAHWEH Law known as Statutes. The Statutes Laws also included and consist of months of the year that were Biblically recorded as followed:

1. 2nd: Gen. 7:11: In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 

2. 7th: Gen. 8:4: And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. 

3. 10th: Gen. 8:5: And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen. Noah was working with the with the constellation; an entire of 12, 30-day months, as implied in the 360 degrees of the circle linked to the 360 days of YAHWEH'S  Lunar/Solar Calendar.

The instruction of Intercalation of months kept the Holy Convocation Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost and Day of Atonement, and the Holy Convocation of Tabernacles in the their correct month, in their proper Appointed Time from the beginning of Spring- seedtime to Fall-harvest that has to do with salvation. There are an eleven-day gap between the solar and lunar years. The years are 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19; that adds a 13-month, called Adar Sheni that has 30 days.

YAHWEH'S Lunar/Solar Calendar of 12 months with 30 days each, utilized by Noah, this 150 day period consisted of 5 months. This is established in Gen. 8:3, which states: "and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated." If we add these 5 months to the second month mentioned in 7:11, we come to the seventh month. Genesis 8:4-5

  From the 17th day of the 2nd month, to the 17th of the 7th month is exactly 5 months, in the 12 month, 30-day calendar. YAHWEH'S Lunar/Solar Calendar also unifies the lunar-solar cycles according to the instruction of YAHWEH with the sacred fifty-year cycle of Jubilees. This is evident because there are 618 lunations in any given 50-year Jubilee cycle. Thus, as the Hebrew calendar shows the perfect correlation of the celestial cycles, governing the rhythms of a myriad terrestrial and cosmic cycles, there we find more evidence of the signature of THE CREATOR and HIS Rulership of light reflected in the universe. These stars and constellation are the way HE made them nothing in this universe is out of order but this earth. In order for it to comply to the Law of YAHWEH, HE already had the sun, moon and stars in place to keep time by the cycle of seven evening and then day! The moon is clearly seen at dusk or evening to provide accurate time. The phase of the moon points to the sun as it passes it.

The seven day cycle are known today as week, but it does not change things, and if  you know how YAHWEH uses Appointed Time prophetically; it too is always by seven time the seven day cycle. So HE clearly states when a day is equivalent to a year and then HE multiplies in seven day cycle times 70 that gives 490 days which are prophetically years!

Finally, Satan has tried to tamper with time but he can't as the Bible clearly states in Dan 7:25. Man cannot even change any of YAHWEH'S Time or HIS Law!!! It is impossible because you can not stop the moon and its phases nor the sun which both cooperates with HIS Constellations of stars. As the sun comes up in the east and go down in the west is consistent and only HE can move the sun to go 10 degrees backward. The Babylonians noted for the study of the stars knew that YAHWEH did this phenomena and came only to Israel to find the answer!!!!! HE only can multiply by dividing, subtract by adding remember that!

We disobey YAHWEH'S Statutes which includes HIS Holy Convocation days. We have to have set time falsely to serve what you all call god on Christmas, Easter, Halloween and man made new year! We need cycle of days, months and years but we follow the false concept. That's why YAHWEH told Daniel what man would think to do but can't! We had to come back to the seven days cycle as man venture into space and the use of the telescope. But disobedience to HIS Cycle of Time and Law man will be judge alone with Satan in the end. YAHWEH will recreate the earth and place it back in order with the universe!

Happy Sabbath and be bless!

[stinsonmarri]

On 7/4/2018 at 9:41 PM, Ron Amnsn said:

The Scripture passages you and others provided don't actually say that Jerusalem is Babylon or will become Babylon.  Context is important.  This thread has demonstrated that some people have no regard for the historical context or the literary context or the cultural context of the Scripture passages that they quote short pieces of.  Yikes.  Using the poor methods of prophetic interpretation demonstrated here a person could stretch and abuse the Scriptures to say just about anything about prophecy, even if it directly contradicts the promises and covenants of God given in God's Word. 

There are lots of passages in Scripture that say Jerusalem is doing evil, because lots of evil has been done in Jerusalem.  There are lots of passages in Scripture that say that Jerusalem will be conquered by Babylon and by other nations.  Jerusalem has been conquered by Babylon and by other nations and has been in bondage to those nations at various times.  Both the Israelites and the conquering nations have at various times set up abominations in Jerusalem.  That is history, and it could happen again. The prophecies reflect that.  But none of those facts make the city of Jerusalem equal to the Babylon of prophecy.

I going to make it very simple. Read again what I provided and then you make your own choice. The Scriptures are plain and need no private interpretation. You find the words great city in the Bible and then you provide what you find!

Happy Sabbath and be bless!

[stinsonmarri]

4 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

Another, somewhat related thought: "Is it always a "woman" is it possible that the "whore" is sometimes gender neutral, in terms of the overall principles involved. (I think Id better run and hide after asking this one )

Why when it comes to the Bible we do not take symbols to mean something then a human being??? The Bible says HE was married to Israel which was symbolic!!!!! 

Whore itself is perhaps a Germanic euphemism for a word that has not survived. The Old English vowel naturally would have yielded *hoor, which is the pronunciation in some dialects; it might have shifted by influence of Middle English homonym hore "physical filth, slime," also "moral corruption, sin," from Old English horh. The wh- form became current 16c. A general term of abuse for an unchaste or lewd woman (without regard to money) from at least c. 1200. Etymology Online Dictionary 

Yes when it is not used as a symbol, it is referring to a woman specifically that would be a married woman. Here it is a symbol of false religion pretending to worship HIM but totally going against YAHWEH'S truth which are HIS Statutes-His Appointed Time and HIS Law!

Happy Sabbath and be bless!

[stinsonmarri]

On 7/4/2018 at 5:00 PM, B/W Photodude said:

 

I know that some would rather eat a ghost pepper than read EGW, but I would suggest that the chapter in the Great Controversy regarding the French Revolution be considered as it discusses the various points of confusion thru this thread.

"Where also our Lord was crucified." This specification of the prophecy was also fulfilled by France. In no land had the spirit of enmity against Christ been more strikingly displayed. In no country had the truth encountered more bitter and cruel opposition. In the persecution which France had visited upon the confessors of the gospel, she had crucified Christ in the person of His disciples.

"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth." Infidel France had silenced the reproving voice of God's two witnesses. The word of truth lay dead in her streets, and those who hated the restrictions and requirements of God's law were jubilant. Men publicly defied the King of heaven. Like the sinners of old, they cried: "How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the Most High?" Psalm 73:11.

http://www.whiteestate.org/books/gc/gc15.html

What is the Word of Truth but the Bible and referred to in the Bible as the Two Witnesses, or the Old/New Testaments. 

Again, I come back to the concept of the surface meaning of any text is often not the meaning of the Bible and this principle was used by Jesus in the telling of the parable of the Sower of the Seed.

Yes, EGW did state that and if you notice she never said that the prophecy ended with France. EGW at the time did not understand the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. She made that clear just before she died. She realize that there is a much closer need to study Daniel and Revelation. She even stated less should be said about the papacy and that is true. The beast is not the papacy, he is the man of sin. TM p. 12 EGW continue to say that the light given to Daniel was for these last days. She concluded that both books will be understood in the last days and it will make an impact on those who will receive it. TM p. 112-119

You are correct about the concept of surface reading, that is why it has always been the call to study the Bible. Study is not surface reading, it is research, which what this word mean. Daniel stated this:

Daniel answered and said, Blessed be THE NAME of ELAHH forever and ever: for Wisdom and Might are HIS:  And HE changeth the times and the seasons: HE removeth kings, and setteth up kings: HE giveth Wisdom unto the wise, and Knowledge to them that know understanding:  HE Revealeth the deep and secret things: HE Knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with HIM. I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou ELAHH of my fathers, who hast given me Wisdom and Might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of THEE: for THOU hast now made Known unto us the king's matter. Dan 2:20-23

In Revelation it clearly states you must have wisdom and it is referring to what Daniel gave praise to above. It is not interpretation, but it is understanding and this knowledge comes through THE HOLY SPIRIT that will lead in all truth! Truth of knowledge is not what you or I want it to be, it comes from THE MOST HIGH! It is plain but hidden to those who refuse to see the truth. Trump has lied consistently and now he has done the most immoral act. He has taken innocent children from their parents. How cruel and inhumane, but Evangelical and yes SDA continue to believe in this evil man. Racism pours from his veins, but you see YAHWEH looks on the heart. They can't see and have become so delusional, that they will believe a lie. Down deep in those who confess to know HIM are the true secrets of hate and it has surface. The Bible says what's in the dark will come into the light! If we don't pray and study (research), the same fate will be mete out when we refuse to accept the truth right in front of us. Delusion sets in excuses are made, other things are accepted to flee from the truth. No one can make anyone accept truth, but ELAHH! THE HOLY SPIRIT is available but each one of us must make the choice through prayers. Praying that HE reveal HIS truth and that we are willing to accept it!

Happy Sabbath and be bless!

[Ron Amnsn]

21 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

Romans 7:4 "Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law (in the eyes of the law) through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God."

Paul refers to Christ risen as "another", to whom believers (including Jews) may be "married".

Romans 6 should always be read before reading Romans 7. The two chapters are part of the same discourse.
In Romans 6 the apostle Paul explains that we were bound to and held captive by sin, until we died with Messiah,  "because anyone who has died has been freed from sin." (v.7)
In Romans 7, sin is represented by the first husband from which the woman was released and from which we are released in the eyes of the law.

Paul is saying that we were formerly slaves of sin, but now because Jesus died, and we died "in him", we are now free from what we were previously bound to-- the law of sin and death. We are now "joined to another"-- joined to Jesus to be slaves of obedience and righteousness.

When he says that we "died to that which we were bound", he is referring back to "slaves of sin" in 6:6 and 6:17, and to the "law of sin" in 7:23 and 8:2.

[Ron Amnsn]

22 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

Ron, you and I have debated the idea that Judah was widowed.

In this case we were discussing whether Jerusalem's harlotry would make Jerusalem equivalent to the harlot Babylon.   If Judah had actually been "widowed" as you claim, and released from the Sinai covenant, then Jerusalem would no longer be considered a "harlot" if she attached herself to a different husband, such as a pagan god.  It would be evil for Jerusalem to do so, but if Judah had indeed been widowed as you claim, Jerusalem would only be evil on the same level as the pagan nations who worshiped false gods, yet were not called harlots.

The notion of Judah's widowhood is contrary to God's Word because God's covenants and promises given to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were originally given to endure for a specified timeframe-- "throughout their generations".  At the time those promises and covenants were originally given, God already had plans in place for Messiah to come and die, as illustrated by the various sacrifices and promises given from the time of Adam.  So according to God's Word the promises and covenants would endure as long as the descendants of Jacob continued to produce descendants (even though God already knew that those descendants could be unfaithful), but according to your widowhood notion those promises and covenants were actually intended to expire when the giver of the covenants and promises died.  There's a major contradiction between God's intent as stated in His Word, and his intent according to your widowhood theory. 

[Ron Amnsn]

23 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

Jesus said that no one - not even the "Israel" of Mount Sinai, will be saved but through Him.

I don't understand.  On one hand you seem to be saying that the Sinai covenant was a covenant relationship between Israelites and the Messiah alone (as if the covenant did not include the Father, who stayed alive when Israel was supposedly widowed by the death of Messiah.)  Yet you also speak as if the Israelites have no relationship with Jesus while they are in a covenant relationship with Messiah as his metaphorical bride.  Those two positions seem contradictory.

It seems to me that the faithful Israelites (before and after the death of Messiah) to whom the covenants belong (as Paul says specifically in Romans 9:4) would already have a covenant relationship with the Messiah who gave that covenant at Sinai.  That Sinai covenant was given, exists, and continues to be fulfilled by the Messiah who gave it at Sinai.  So even if an Israelite never heard Messiah's name, couldn't they still be saved "through Him" if they were faithful to the covenant they inherited from their ancestors?    (By the way, many Christians have never heard Messiah's actual name. What we hear in English is an anglicized form of the latinized form of the greekized form of Messiah's name, instead of the name he was called while he was alive.)

Since the word "Christ" is a translation of the word "Messiah", what is the difference between an Israelite who places his faith in Messiah, and a Gentile who places his faith in Christ?

 

[8thdaypriest]

20 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

i dont understand why you would say this??  There is no reason in scripture to assume such an idea. "The beast system" will not need this kind of structuring from us. Cash or no cash; theres a lot more to it than that.

How would the Beast system forbid (disallow) any buying or selling by individuals who refuse "the mark" - if there is still cash around to buy and sell with?  How could that ruler control buying and selling unless it is an electronic/internet type of system?

[8thdaypriest]

3 hours ago, Ron Amnsn said:

In this case we were discussing whether Jerusalem's harlotry would make Jerusalem equivalent to the harlot Babylon.   If Judah had actually been "widowed" as you claim, and released from the Sinai covenant, then Jerusalem would no longer be considered a "harlot" if she attached herself to a different husband, such as a pagan god.  It would be evil for Jerusalem to do so, but if Judah had indeed been widowed as you claim, Jerusalem would only be evil on the same level as the pagan nations who worshiped false gods, yet were not called harlots.

Good point. 

[8thdaypriest]

3 hours ago, Ron Amnsn said:

The notion of Judah's widowhood is contrary to God's Word because God's covenants and promises given to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were originally given to endure for a specified timeframe-- "throughout their generations".  At the time those promises and covenants were originally given, God already had plans in place for Messiah to come and die, as illustrated by the various sacrifices and promises given from the time of Adam.  So according to God's Word the promises and covenants would endure as long as the descendants of Jacob continued to produce descendants (even though God already knew that those descendants could be unfaithful), but according to your widowhood notion those promises and covenants were actually intended to expire when the giver of the covenants and promises died.  There's a major contradiction between God's intent as stated in His Word, and his intent according to your widowhood theory. 

Hebrews 8:7 "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second [covenant]. (NKJ)

Would you agree that there IS a "second" covenant?

Would you agree that the "second covenant" is a covenant of marriage - whereby Christ is betrothed to His "church" (congregation - Israel redeemed)? 

Why make a NEW covenant of marriage, if the original one is still in force? 

[8thdaypriest]

Just now, 8thdaypriest said:

Hebrews 8:7 "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second [covenant]. (NKJ)

Would you agree that there IS a "second" covenant?

Would you agree that the "second covenant" is a covenant of marriage - whereby Christ is betrothed to His "church" (congregation - Israel redeemed)? 

Why make a NEW covenant of marriage, if the original one is still in force? 

Jesus said, "This IS the New Covenant, in My blood." 
 

 

[8thdaypriest]

1 hour ago, 8thdaypriest said:

  3 hours ago, Ron Amnsn said:

In this case we were discussing whether Jerusalem's harlotry would make Jerusalem equivalent to the harlot Babylon.   If Judah had actually been "widowed" as you claim, and released from the Sinai covenant, then Jerusalem would no longer be considered a "harlot" if she attached herself to a different husband, such as a pagan god.  It would be evil for Jerusalem to do so, but if Judah had indeed been widowed as you claim, Jerusalem would only be evil on the same level as the pagan nations who worshiped false gods, yet were not called harlots.

Must they publicly worship a pagan God ?   What about those who continued to CLAIM they were "married" to the LORD, and were the LORD's only chosen, true people, and continued to perform the "works" (sacrifices) prescribed by the Sinai Covenant -  this while they killed and persecuted the actual true people of God - those who had entered into Covenant through Christ?

 If they presented themselves as "married" to the LORD, while actually "in bed with" the Evil One- would that be "harlotry" (in the eyes of the LORD) ?

 

  3 hours ago, Ron Amnsn said:

In this case we were discussing whether Jerusalem's harlotry would make Jerusalem equivalent to the harlot Babylon.

Was the pagan nation - Babylon - who destroyed Jerusalem and carried away captives - ever called a "harlot" ?   I don't think so.

Here's one.  The LORD calls Nineveh a harlot.

Nahum 3:1 Woe to the city of blood, full of lies, full of plunder, never without victims! 2 The crack of whips, the clatter of wheels, galloping horses and jolting chariots! 3 Charging cavalry, flashing swords and glittering spears! Many casualties, piles of dead, bodies without number, people stumbling over the corpses-- 4 all because of the wanton lust of a prostitute, alluring, the mistress of sorceries, who enslaved nations by her prostitution and peoples by her witchcraft. 5 "I am against you," declares the LORD Almighty. "I will lift your skirts over your face. I will show the nations your nakedness and the kingdoms your shame. 6 I will pelt you with filth, I will treat you with contempt and make you a spectacle. 7 All who see you will flee from you and say, 'Nineveh is in ruins-- who will mourn for her?' Where can I find anyone to comfort you?" (NIV)

Nineveh was the capital of ancient Assyria.   I wonder WHY that City was called a "harlot"?  Could it be because that City came to the LORD when Jonah preached there?  Seems "she" was "in bed" with "witchcraft" and "sorcery".

The Babylon of Revelation Cpt 18, is called a "habitation of demons".    

[8thdaypriest]

4 minutes ago, The Wanderer said:

No one can say with certainty, just how this process will take place; certainly scripture does not say this. Many people will not even have internet.  I highly doubt that God needs the internet to carry out His plans in this regard

If everyone is implanted with a "chip" - only the seller would need internet connection.  These are not God's plans.  They are the Beast's plans.  God just predicts them. 

[8thdaypriest]

Isaiah 47 seems to be the parallel passage to Revelation's Harlot.

Isaiah 47:1 "Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon; Sit on the ground without a throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans! For you shall no more be called Tender and delicate. 2 Take the millstones and grind meal. Remove your veil, Take off the skirt, Uncover the thigh, Pass through the rivers. 3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered, Yes, your shame will be seen; I will take vengeance, And I will not arbitrate with a man." 4 As for our Redeemer, the LORD of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel. 5 "Sit in silence, and go into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans; For you shall no longer be called The Lady of Kingdoms. 6 I was angry with My people; I have profaned My inheritance, And given them into your hand. You showed them no mercy; On the elderly you laid your yoke very heavily. 7 And you said,`I shall be a lady forever,' So that you did not take these things to heart, Nor remember the latter end of them. 8 "Therefore hear this now, you who are given to pleasures, Who dwell securely, Who say in your heart,`I am, and there is no one else besides me; I shall not sit as a widow, Nor shall I know the loss of children'; 9 But these two things shall come to you In a moment, in one day: The loss of children, and widowhood. They shall come upon you in their fullness Because of the multitude of your sorceries, For the great abundance of your enchantments. 10 "For you have trusted in your wickedness; You have said,`No one sees me'; Your wisdom and your knowledge have warped you; And you have said in your heart,`I am, and there is no one else besides me.' 11 Therefore evil shall come upon you; You shall not know from where it arises. And trouble shall fall upon you; You will not be able to put it off. And desolation shall come upon you suddenly, Which you shall not know. 12 "Stand now with your enchantments And the multitude of your sorceries, In which you have labored from your youth-- Perhaps you will be able to profit, Perhaps you will prevail. 13 You are wearied in the multitude of your counsels; Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, And the monthly prognosticators Stand up and save you From what shall come upon you. 14 Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall burn them; They shall not deliver themselves From the power of the flame; It shall not be a coal to be warmed by, Nor a fire to sit before! 15 Thus shall they be to you With whom you have labored, Your merchants from your youth; They shall wander each one to his quarter. No one shall save you." (NKJ)

Revelation 18:7  "she says in her heart,`I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.'"

Isaiah 47:8  "I shall not sit as a widow, Nor shall I know the loss of children"

Revelation 18:8 "Therefore her plagues will come in one day-- death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her."

Isaiah 47:9 "But these two things shall come to you In a moment, in one day: The loss of children, and widowhood. They shall come upon you in their fullness"

Isaiah 47:14  "Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall burn them" (the sorcerers).

[Ron Amnsn]

On 7/6/2018 at 2:25 PM, 8thdaypriest said:

No amount of Law keeping will earn any "promises" - regardless of one's DNA or ancestral history of covenant making. 

This seems to be one of the differences between Paul's Gospel and your teachings. 

Paul's Gospel places high value on God's covenants with Abraham's descendants and with Israel as a nation. He welcomes the Gentile believers into the Commonwealth of Israel alongside the native Israelites as fellow heirs and equals in Messiah.  Paul and the Gospels depict the Messiah as one who kept the covenants fully as a royal representative of the Israelite nation, then died for the nation of Israel along with those who are grafted in to it, bestows the Covenant blessings to all who are citizens in the kingdom of heaven, and will sit on a throne that he inherits by covenant from His forefather David.  In Paul's Gospel, God remains faithful to all his covenants and is vindicated as righteous. In Paul's Gospel the wayward native Israelites are loved so much that Paul would be willing to give up his own place in Messiah if by so doing he could bring salvation to the unfaithful Israelites-- an attitude which mirrors Messiah's own attitude toward unfaithful Israelites.  Paul's Gospel and Jesus both speak of God's Law of Moses as something desirable and good.

This is quite different from the teachers that:

• claim that God's Old Testament covenants and promises are somehow no longer applicable, at least to the Israelites.
• teach that there were additional requirements, time limits, penalties, or conditions beyond those specified by God himself when the Covenant and its accompanying instructions were given. Those additional requirements supposedly give God the right (or obligation) to renege on the promises and Covenants He made with the Israelites, even though God emphatically and explicitly stated that he would not reject the Israelites as a nation.
• find fault with the native Israelites and make accusations against them.
• misinterpret God's covenant with Israel as a faulty arrangement which required the Israelites to earn their own salvation by lawkeeping.
• speak disdainfully of the Israelites and the covenants which they have inherited from their forefathers.
• speak of themselves as distinct and separate from the native Israelites.
• speak of God's Law of Moses as something that people are better off without.
• sometimes claim God's promises to Israel as their own, but assign the curses of the covenant to the native Israelites (even though the validity of such curses would prove that the covenant is not yet obsolete).

Both Paul's Gospel and the teachers who teach a different gospel tend to make the Gentile believers equal citizens with the native Israelites, but under much different conditions.  Paul's Gospel brings the grafted-in Gentiles up to the same high status as the faithful, forgiven, chosen and redeemed Israelites.  Teachers with a different gospel tend to bring the Israelites down by depicting the Israelite nation as rejected, cut-off, shamed, and dried up so that the Israelites should be glad to abandon their inherited covenant status and be eager to be treated as a wild olive shoot to be grafted back into Israel's own olive tree.

[Ron Amnsn]

On 7/6/2018 at 8:42 PM, stinsonmarri said:

That is correct but YAHWEH had in the very beginning a Calendar. YAHSHUA stated very clearly HE is ALPHA and OMEGA, the BEGINNING and THE END. Gen 1:14 has been extremely overlook:

I agree with much of what you wrote, especially regarding YHWH's calendar.
I haven't been able to confirm some of the details you give regarding the pre-flood calendar.
I prefer the calendar of the Karaite Jews which is based on the sightings of the new moon in Israel and the progress of the barley crop in Israel because it more closely matches the calendar methods used in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus (according to the Jewish writings).
 

[Ron Amnsn]

15 hours ago, 8thdaypriest said:

Hebrews 8:7 "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second [covenant]. (NKJ) 

Would you agree that there IS a "second" covenant?

Would you agree that the "second covenant" is a covenant of marriage - whereby Christ is betrothed to His "church" (congregation - Israel redeemed)? 

Why make a NEW covenant of marriage, if the original one is still in force? 

Since the word "covenant" doesn't actually appear in the original Greek of Hebrews 8:7, I'm not sure I believe in a second covenant.  I believe in a renewed covenant made explicitly with "the house of Israel and the house of Judah".  I also note that the only stated difference between original covenant and the renewed covenant quoted by the author of Hebrews is that God will take responsibility for writing his Torah on our hearts.  This better covenant doesn't change any of the other terms of the original covenant.  The law remains the same.  The definition of sin apparently remains the same because it explicitly says that Israel's sins will be forgiven, rather than saying that the law or covenant will be changed so that what was formerly sinful will no longer be sinful. The apostle Paul explicitly states that a later covenant does not invalidate an earlier covenant. (Gal 3:17)

You neglected to quote the next verse which further defines what the fault was.  "For finding fault with them ..."  Then the author of Hebrews quotes authoritatively from a passage of Jeremiah. The original readers of the book of Hebrews would have been familiar with all of Jeremiah, which provides more context for the passage quoted.   Since you dismiss certain passages of Jeremiah as being non-applicable to Israel, it is unlikely that you will interpret this passage in the way the author and original readers interpreted it.

[8thdaypriest]

6 hours ago, Ron Amnsn said:

Since the word "covenant" doesn't actually appear in the original Greek of Hebrews 8:7, I'm not sure I believe in a second covenant.  I believe in a renewed covenant made explicitly with "the house of Israel and the house of Judah".  I also note that the only stated difference between original covenant and the renewed covenant quoted by the author of Hebrews is that God will take responsibility for writing his Torah on our hearts.  This better covenant doesn't change any of the other terms of the original covenant.  The law remains the same.  The definition of sin apparently remains the same because it explicitly says that Israel's sins will be forgiven, rather than saying that the law or covenant will be changed so that what was formerly sinful will no longer be sinful. The apostle Paul explicitly states that a later covenant does not invalidate an earlier covenant. (Gal 3:17)

You neglected to quote the next verse which further defines what the fault was.  "For finding fault with them ..."  Then the author of Hebrews quotes authoritatively from a passage of Jeremiah. The original readers of the book of Hebrews would have been familiar with all of Jeremiah, which provides more context for the passage quoted.   Since you dismiss certain passages of Jeremiah as being non-applicable to Israel, it is unlikely that you will interpret this passage in the way the author and original readers interpreted it.

Ron, 

I'm not sure WHAT you think I believe.   Let me try to explain a little more.  Maybe then you will stop saying that I'm teaching a different Gospel. 

As you know from your own wide study,  a "covenant" must be sealed/ratified with a sacrifice.  Jesus WAS the sacrifice to seal/ratify the "New Covenant". 

I personally believe that the "New Covenant" was symbolized by every sacrifice, when offered in sincere humble faith - believing that God would "make a way" out of our "sin problem".  Every sacrifice all the way back to the first one offered by Adam.  

Every sincere believer since Adam, has actually ENTERED into the New Covenant.  THAT is why the LORD will keep those promises He made. 

Christ's disciples had not yet entered in to the New Covenant, when they first became His disciples.  Only when they BELIEVED in Him, and understood that He really was "the Lamb" symbolized by all those prophecies, did they ENTER in to the "New Covenant".

The Covenant of Eden [Don't eat of THAT TREE, and I will be your God] - that was the Covenant of Works, as was the Sinai Covenant, which almost all of Israel entered in to - NOT by faith, but rather in a naive confidence that they COULD keep it.  What was it they said?  "All that the LORD has said, we will do."   It was a covenant of "marriage", yes, but it was not by faith.

The New Covenant says "HE will do it" - NOT "we will do".  

Paul calls the works covenant "the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones" (2Cor 3:7-8).  Why?  Because they could not keep it - and the curse of that covenant is death.  

The New Covenant through the blood of Christ is "more glorious" because the Spirit of God through Christ, will write that Law on our hearts.

Paul calls the Works Covenant "Hagar".   Galatians 4:24- These things are being taken figuratively: The (2) women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. (NIV)

They were in slavery to righteousness by works, which never gives one the righteousness one is seeking. 

Abraham was "married" to BOTH Sarah and Hagar - at the same time.   One was the true/legal "wife" and Sarah represents the New Covenant of Marriage to Messiah by faith.  The other was the slave "wife" and she represents the Sinai Marriage Covenant, of righteousness by works of the Law.

BOTH Covenants had to sealed/ratified by a sacrifice.  Christ was that sacrifice.  This sacrifice was "planned" (promised) before the earth was created (should mankind sin).  It was the "covenant" between the Father and His Son.  

So regardless of which covenant, the one of works OR the one of faith, BOTH required a "sacrifice" to be sealed/ratified.  The "husband" HAD to DIE. 

If you were a faith-filled Jew, like Paul, you realized that you could immediately be "married" (betrothed) to the risen glorified Christ (your "new" husband).  If you were a "works of the Law" Jew, and came to believe in Jesus as the Christ, then you also, by believing and baptism, could become part of Christ's "bride".   You would have to give up your belief that you could ever be righteous by "works of the Law".   

Human beings could enter into Covenant with God, even though "the sacrifice" had not yet been offered.  How?  Because it had been promised, and God's promises are as good as DONE. 

There WERE a few, from the beginning who entered into the New Covenant.  Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Job, Joseph, Daniel, Jacob would be examples of such.  And there were a few who entered into New Covenant Marriage - at Mount Sinai, - by faith.  Caleb and Joshua were two such.  They - with Eliazar the High Priest, Son of Aaron, were the ONLY THREE (out of all the adult males who entered into Covenant at Mount Sinai) - who finally crossed the Jordan into Canaan. 

I'm saying that the two covenants:  1) Righteousness by Works and 2) Righteousness by faith,  ran concurrently.  

Jesus was "born under the Law" - born under the Sinai Covenant, which He fulfilled perfectly.  His "works" were perfect, according to the Law.   But He overcame by faith.  His connection with His Father, by which His Father "dwelt in" Him, enabled His perfect obedience.  The Father "wrote His Law" on the heart of His Son.  Christ is our role-model for righteousness by faith. 

Every person alive (except Christ) has broken the Covenant of Obedience/Works.  The curse of that Covenant is divorce and death.   But those persons who enter into the Faith Covenant can be forgiven, healed, transformed, and "married" to Christ.

The Law that was written on the stones, will be written on the heart, and a time will come when those stones will be forgotten.  They won't be needed.

Jeremiah 3:16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land," declares the LORD, "people will no longer say, 'The ark of the covenant of the LORD.' It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made. (NIV)

Jeremiah 31:34 "No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying,`Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." (NKJ)

[8thdaypriest]

Sorry for the long post, but I was trying to explain what I believe about the covenants. 

The New Covenant DOES NOT REPLACE the first one.   It was necessary because no human being (in their own human strength) could KEEP the first one, once mankind lost the perfect oneness with God.  Christ was born with that "oneness".  He consented to it, before He incarnated.   He was - in this way - the "last Adam". 

[8thdaypriest]

I would like to address something Ron said, about the LORD taking Israel back - after He divorced her.

The LAW said that a man could NOT return to a woman that he had divorced, after she had been with another man. 

Deuteronomy 24:1 "When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, 2 "when she has departed from his house, and goes and becomes another man's wife, 3 "if the latter husband detests her and writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies who took her as his wife, 4 "then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the LORD, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance. (Deu 24:1 NKJ)

Jeremiah 3:1 "They say,`If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another man's, May he return to her again?' Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me," says the LORD. (NKJ)

If the Son of God (the "husband" of the Sinai Covenant) DIED, then He could take Israel (legally) as His "bride".  That is why Paul calls the risen glorified Christ "another man".  He is not the first "husband".  He is a "new" husband.  He can "take her back" and still be within the Law.   

Hope I've explained that well enough. 

And He does NOT take every DNA descendant of Jacob.  He will only "marry" those who have entered into the New Covenant - the faith Covenant.

Jeremiah 3:14 "Return, O backsliding children," says the LORD; "for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion." (NKJ)

"Few there be that find it" (Matthew 7:14).

 

[8thdaypriest]

Has Babylon fallen?  Depends on what one means by "fallen".  Does it mean "fallen" into sin?  

Does it mean that Babylon has "fallen" to the ground, been burned and destroyed forever? 

In that case the answer would be "No". 

The Beast of Revelation 13 will come to rule the entire globe, in the LAST DAYS of this age.  Babylon (the harlot) will ride the Beast, sitting on "many waters".  (The waters are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. v. 15)    The 10 kings (-3, +1) have not yet risen - at least in any visible, well known way.  

Babylon is:

a city -  a VERY wealthy city  -  a city that sits on 7 hills  -  a city that has global reach

She practices sorcery.  She deceives the nations. 

She is responsible for the death of prophets and saints. 

She is responsible for (at least had a hand in the deaths) "of ALL WHO WERE SLAIN on the earth". 

She facilitates buying and selling, of all kinds of goods, including "the bodies and souls of men".  The merchants will weep and mourn when she goes down.  

It almost seems as if every man who became "rich", became so because of "her".   18:19 says they "became rich by her wealth".  

18:23  "For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived."   

 

Almost seems like the "harlot" is MONEY.   Who or what controls the worlds money?  Maybe the entity has not yet risen?  Maybe there will be a One World Bank - in the future. 

1 Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil:" 

The 7 "hills" on which the woman/city  sits, could be 7 kingdoms or nations.   Maybe the same as the 7 Horns that are left still intact, after the Little Horn pulls up three. 

Money pays for wars - and wars kill people all over the earth.   Maybe "she" is responsible for "all who were slain on the earth" during the "end times" period. 

Just brain-storming here.

[stinsonmarri]

12 hours ago, Ron Amnsn said:

I agree with much of what you wrote, especially regarding YHWH's calendar.
I haven't been able to confirm some of the details you give regarding the pre-flood calendar.
I prefer the calendar of the Karaite Jews which is based on the sightings of the new moon in Israel and the progress of the barley crop in Israel because it more closely matches the calendar methods used in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus (according to the Jewish writings).
 

Then you have a problem because the Karaite are the closet to keeping YAHWEH Lunar/Solar Calendar. The problem is they are not the ancient Israelites people who came from Shem. Shem and Ham intermarried a lot in the OT time. The problem is most do no accept ancient history that is part of the Bible. There have been major cover up of Bible truth due to racism and the true Calendar I mention. If you take the time and read about Abraham, never lived in Mesopotamia instead he lived in Turkey. The city was Urfu and if you read your Bible it says:

And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber. Gen 10:24 

And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.  And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there. Gen 11:28, 31

Terah took Abram his son and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram's wife, and they went forth together from Ur of the Chaldeans ( Ur [Light] of the ones of Kesad to go into the land of Canaan, but when they came to Haran, they settled there. Gen 11:31 (ESV)

Now YAHWEH had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: Gen 12:1 

Abraham was from the city of Ur according to Genesis 11:31 above. The problem is that there are several places called Ur. It is mostly translated as "Ur of the Chaldeans." The problem with "Chaldeans" is that it is a late word used in the Neo-Babylonian times. The name is not in its correct historical or chronological time. This also comes from poor translation of the Kasdim.

Josephus and Rabbi Maimonides believed that Ur Kasdim was in Northern Mesopotamia, in what is today Syria or Turkey.There is no question over where Haran is located, which is 10 miles north of the Syrian border in Turkey along the Balikh River, a part of the Euphrates River. Haran is mentioned in the Nuzi tablets that provided worship of the moon god Sin. There are two cities not far from Haran; Ura and Urfa. The local tradition says that Abraham was born in Urfa. Northern Ur is mentioned in tablets at Ugarit, Nuzi, and Ebla, which refers to Ur, URA, and Urau (See BAR January 2000, page 16).

The names of several of Abraham's relatives like Peleg, Serug, Nahor and Terah, appear as names of cities in the region of Haran (Harper's Bible Dictionary, page 373). Abraham sent his servant back to the region of Haran to find a wife for Isaac (Genesis 24:10). After working for Laban, Jacob fled across the Euphrates River back to Canaan (Genesis 31:21). If Ur were the one in Southern Mesopotamia, then Jacob would not need to cross the Euphrates. Laban is said to live in Paddan-Aram, which is in the region of Haran (Genesis 28:5-7), which seems to be the same area as Aram-Naharaim, Abraham's homeland (Genesis 24:10). All this evidence taken together seems to indicate that the Ur of Abraham was in the same region as Haran in Northern Mesopotamia, and not the famous Ur in Southern Mesopotamia.

Why the cover up is very simple, Babel, Nimrod, Kush baby boy who rule the entire world was black. YAHWEH confound the languages and all left the city. The tower was was never destroyed by ELOHIYM as was taught! Sumerians were Cushites and the Akkadians were Assyrians  they  that return to the land of Shinar and formed cities states call Ur, Kish and rename Babel Babylon. The problem is they were Ham and Shem children mixed during the time of Nimrod! Egypt was black, Canaan was black, and here is the problem. Unfortunately, the truth is cover up because of their skin and Japheth children wants all the credit for the good or bad of all ancient people and that's the facts! You should know that everybody was not white, including Adam. We actually do not know what color the antediluvians were because there are all different color dirt between Africa and Turkey.

Sargon of Akkad (also known as Sargon the Great, Shar-Gani-Sharri, and Sarru-Kan, meaning "True King" or "Legitimate King") reigned in Mesopotamia from 2334 to 2279 BCE. He is equally famous today as the father of the great poet-priestess Enheduanna. He was born an illegitimate son of a "changeling", which could refer to a temple priestess of the goddess Innana (whose clergy were androgynous) and, according to the Sargon Legend (a cuneiform clay tablet purporting to be his biography) never knew his father. His mother could not reveal her pregnancy or keep the child, and so he was set adrift by her in a basket on the Euphrates River where he was later found by a man named Akki who was a gardener for Ur-Zababa, the King of the Sumerian city of Kish. From this very humble beginning, Sargon would rise to conquer all Mesopotamia and create the first multi-national empire in history. By Joshua J. Mark / Ancient History Encyclopedia

I provide the above history to explain that the word Jew is a made up name. After the destruction of the Temple by the Romans, the true people of Israel were scatter to Northern and Eastern Europe, Spain and Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East. . The name Jerusalem was change, but the farmers common people still remain and eventually some of the nobles return to the city. The Iouda (not Jews), communities around Jerusalem quickly recovered and they bought back their lands from the Romans and plans were to rebuild the city. However, Hadrian plans were to rebuild the city and renamed Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina which started the second revolt. The people were ban from the city and for over 200 years, and in 289 AD the Tenth Legion was transferred. The emperors in the late second and early third century shared good relations with the now IEWE, who were mixed.

The descriptive name Judaism was never heard by the Hebrews or 'Israelites'; it appears only with Christianity. Flavius Josephus was one of the first to use the name in his recital of the war with the Romans to connote a totality of beliefs, moral commandments, religious practices and ceremonial institutions of Galilee which he believed superior to rival Hellenism. When the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state. The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing... Dr. Alfred M. Lilienthal

Its modern connotation points to someone who follows and adheres to a faith similar to that of the Pharisees of Judah, but is not of the tribe and stock of Judah. In other words, Jews are people from nations other than the 12 Hebrew tribes who practice a religion known as Judaism/Pharisaism, the doctrine of the Pharisees. . .

In both the Old Testament Hebrew and the New Testament Greek, the word to be translated is always meant to be Judah or Judahite(s), of the physical tribe and stock of Judah. And Jews today are not of the tribe of Judah.

Hebrew Words in the Old Testament Bible: 1) Yehuwdah: Jehudah or Judah  2) Yehuwdiy: Jehudite or Judahite.

Greek Words in the New Testament Bible: 1) Iouda: Jehudah or Judah  2) Ioudaios: Jehudite or Judahite, or belonging to Jehudah/Judah.

Prior to 1775, when the English language was still in its infancy, IEWE was used to translate these words. Unlike the word Jew it was pronounced Yee-hoo-wee, stretching its best to imitate the original Hebrew phonetic of Ye-hu-wdiy.

When the word ‘Jew’ was first introduced into the English language in the 18th century (1775) its one and only implication, inference and innuendo was ‘Judean’. During the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries a well-organized and well-financed international ‘pressure group’ created a so-called “secondary meaning” for the word ‘Jew’ among the English-speaking peoples of the world. This so-called ‘secondary meaning’ for the word ‘Jew’ bears no relation whatsoever to the 18th century original connotation of the word ‘Jew’. It is a misrepresentation. Benjamin H. Freedman

During and after the time of YAHSHUA the faith was Israel and not Judaism, this practice became more dominant after HIS death. It actually started during the Babylonian exile and  grew to become the national religion know as the Rabbinic Judaism after the destruction of the second temple. The letter J was not introduce until the beginning of the Middle Ages.

In closing that how that change YAHWEH'S Lunar/Solar Calendar and change the Holy Convocations to a pagan name feast! There are no feast. The original passover was a meal and not a feast and the other Holy Convocations there were no meals!!!! Changes were made from Abib the original 1st month to the 7th month as the beginning of the year. It is easy to know the correct time by the Moon phases. The first new light on the new moon is the beginning of the month and we are to have worship. It is not a Holy Convocation but it mark YAHWEH'S Time and Calendar. If you change the true worship everything become change. Ps. 81:3; Isa 66:23

Again I am a presenter, please check the true historical facts remember it is not the popular view today and it is not hidden today and you will not find in the ancient Paleo Hebrew writings the word jew or feast! 

Blessings!

PS: I do accept the sighting of the barley crop of Abib in Jerusalem along with the phase of the moon!

[8thdaypriest]

9 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

In closing that how that change YAHWEH'S Lunar/Solar Calendar and change the Holy Convocations to a pagan name feast! There are no feast. The original passover was a meal and not a feast and the other Holy Convocations there were no meals!!!! Changes were made from Abib the original 1st month to the 7th month as the beginning of the year. It is easy to know the correct time by the Moon phases. The first new light on the new moon is the beginning of the month and we are to have worship. It is not a Holy Convocation but it mark YAHWEH'S Time and Calendar. If you change the true worship everything become change. Ps. 81:3; Isa 66:23

Do you believe that every Israelite male was to be present in Jerusalem - three times in the year - for the "holy convocation"s ?   "Convocation" is also translated as "sacred assembly".   The "sacred assembly" gathered at the Temple, which was not where they ate, but where they worshiped and offered sacrifice.

Exodus 23:17 "Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord GOD."

Deuteronomy 16:16 "Three times a year all your males shall appear before the LORD your God in the place which He chooses: at the Feast of Unleavened Bread, at the Feast of Weeks, and at the Feast of Tabernacles; and they shall not appear before the LORD empty-handed."

Passover may have been "a meal", but it was to be eaten in Jerusalem.  And sacrifices and offerings were to be offered to the LORD at those times. Most folks ate with relatives, also gathered at Jerusalem.  Some would call that a "Feast".