When will Iran attack our (US) fleet?

[stinsonmarri]

On 11/17/2018 at 1:39 PM, phkrause said:

I believe Pr Doug Batchelor does a pretty good job! Like I mentioned the first two are a build up to the 3rd one! I enjoyed all of them. I re-watched all of them last night and today.

Phkrause: You are such a nice person and I truly believe that you love THE MOST HIGH. Doug Batchelor believe's the false myth of Islam, matter of fact it close to HCH belief. It comes from Uriah Smith Book on Daniel and Revelation. Why would we cling to a book that is base on old Protestant views? Yet some here do not give EGW the true respect when she says to take the Bible. Two places it talks about the River Euphrates in Revelation. The first one is Rev 9:14 and the second one is Rev 16:12 these two Scripture on deal with Islam. My friend Islam does not come out of the bottomless pit. Have you read Luke 8:30, 31

And YAHSHUA asked him, saying, what is your name? And he answered, Legion (because many demons entered into him). And they begged HIM that HE not orders them to go away into the abyss. HBR

The KJV use deep instead of abyss! But do you see they beg YAHSHUA not to order them to go to the abyss which also means bottomless pit. Rev 9:11 tells very clear that the angel and king who have a key to the bottomless pit. Rev 13:2 states the dragon give the beast his seat, power and authority. Rev 11:7 also states that the beast not the whore ascends out of the bottomless pit. Finally, Rev 20:1, 2 clearly states that the angels from Heaven has a key but also a chain and now Satan once the king over the bottomless pit  and now he is bound there. Have you read Jude which give you the clue and fact?

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, HE hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6 

But the writers of the KJV to the Greek word "ge," which mean "terrene globe" that have soil or land mass to mean only the earth. Now here is why it is not the earth and I stand with EGW and the Bible:

Then there was war in Heaven. THE SON of God, THE PRINCE of Heaven, and his loyal angels, engaged in conflict with the arch rebel and those who united with him. THE SON of God and true, loyal angels prevailed; and Satan and his sympathizers were expelled from Heaven. All the heavenly host acknowledged and adored the God of Justice. Not a taint of rebellion was left in Heaven. All was again peaceful and harmonious as before.

Angels in Heaven mourned the fate of those who had been their companions in happiness and bliss. Their loss was felt in Heaven. THE FATHER consulted Jesus in regard to at once carrying out their purpose to make man to inhabit the earth. HE would place man upon probation to test his loyalty, before he could be rendered eternally secure. If he endured the test wherewith God saw fit to prove him, he should eventually be equal with the angels. He was to have the favor of God, and he was to converse with angels, and they with him. HE did not see fit to place them beyond the power of disobedience.

Satan was permitted to tempt them. . .

Satan stood in amazement at his new condition. His happiness was gone. He looked upon the angels who, with him, were once so happy, but who had been expelled from Heaven with him. Before their fall, not a shade of discontent had marred their perfect bliss. Now all seemed changed. Countenances which had reflected the image of their Maker were gloomy and despairing. Strife, discord, and bitter recrimination, were among them. Previous to their rebellion these things had been unknown in Heaven. Satan now beholds the terrible results of his rebellion. He shuddered, and feared to face the future, and to contemplate the end of these things.

The hour for joyful, happy songs of praise to God and his dear Son had come. Satan had led the heavenly choir. He had raised the first note, then all the angelic host united with him, and glorious strains of music had resounded through Heaven in honor of God and his dear Son. But now, instead of strains of sweetest music, discord and angry words fall upon the ear of the great rebel leader. Where was he? Was it not all a horrible dream? Was he shut out of Heaven?

Were the gates of Heaven never more to open and admit him? The hour of worship draws nigh, when bright and holy angels bow before THE FATHER. No more will he unite in Heavenly song. No more will he bow in reverence and holy awe before THE PRESENCE of THE ETERNAL God. Could he be again as he was when he was pure, true and loyal, gladly would he yield up the claims of his authority? But he was lost, beyond redemption, for his presumptuous rebellion! And this was not all; he had led others to rebellion and to the same lost condition with himself—angels, who had never thought to question THE WILL of Heaven, or refuse obedience to the Saw of God till he had put it into their minds, presenting before them that they might enjoy a greater good, a higher and more glorious liberty. This had been the sophistry whereby he had deceived them. A responsibility now rests upon him from which he would fain be released.

These spirits had become turbulent with disappointed hopes. Instead of greater good, they were experiencing the sad results of disobedience and disregard of Law. Never more would these unhappy beings be swayed by the mild rule of Jesus Christ. Never more would their spirits be stirred by the deep, earnest love, peace, and joy, which HIS PRESENCE had ever inspired in them, to be returned to HIM in cheerful obedience and Reverential Honor.

Satan trembled as he viewed his work. He was alone in meditation upon the past, the present, and his future plans. His mighty frame shook as with a tempest. An angel from Heaven was passing. He called him, and entreated an interview with Christ. This was granted him. He then related to THE SON of God that he repented of his rebellion, and wished again the favor of God. He was willing to take the place God had previously assigned him, and be under his wise command. Christ wept at Satan’s woe, but told him, as THE MIND of God, that he could never be received into Heaven. Heaven must not be placed in jeopardy. All Heaven would be marred should he be received back; for sin and rebellion originated with him. The seeds of rebellion were still within him. He had, in his rebellion, no occasion for his course, and he had not only hopelessly ruined himself, but the host of angels also, who would then have been happy in Heaven had he remained steadfast. The Law of God could condemn, but could not pardon.

He repented not of his rebellion because he saw the goodness of God which he had abused. It was not possible that his love for God had so increased since his fall that it would lead to cheerful submission and happy obedience to HIS Law which had been despised. The wretchedness he realized in losing the sweet light of Heaven, and the sense of guilt which forced itself upon him, and the disappointment he experienced himself in not finding his expectations realized, were the cause of his grief. To be commander out of Heaven was vastly different from being thus honored in Heaven. The loss he had sustained of all the privileges of Heaven seemed too much to be borne. He wished to regain these.

This great change of position had not increased his love for God, nor for HIS Wise and just Law. When Satan became fully convinced that there was no possibility of his being re-instated in the favor of God, he manifested his malice with increased hatred and fiery vehemence.

God knew that such determined rebellion would not remain inactive. Satan would invent means to annoy the heavenly angels, and show contempt for his authority. As he could not gain admission within the gates of Heaven, he would wait just at the entrance, to taunt the angels and seek contention with them as they went in and out. He would seek to destroy the happiness of Adam and Eve. He would endeavor to incite them to rebellion, knowing that this would cause grief in Heaven. . .

Satan held a consultation with his evil angels. They did not all readily unite to engage in this hazardous and terrible work. He told them that he would not entrust any one of them to accomplish this work; for he thought that he alone had wisdom sufficient to carry forward so important an enterprise. He wished them to consider the matter while he should leave them and seek retirement, to mature his plans. He sought to impress upon them that this was their last and only hope. If they failed here, all prospect of regaining and controlling Heaven, or any part of God's creation, was hopeless. 1SP p. 23, 24, 28-31

Let me make this very clear, Satan and his angels were kick out of Heaven into the bottomless (only place that has not bottom is out in space!) pit is a moon or planet that only the evil angels are in prison. They were kick out of Heaven before the earth was made. Some are allow out only one to work with each individual soul until he dies. That angel must return back to prison. One legion was permitted only once and they did not want YAHSHUA to order them back right then. They begged to go a torture the pigs or swines. The swines or any animal can not endure the torture that man goes through with that many evil angels. The swines killed themselves and the angels went back to prison. Satan has a key but not the chain to the bottomless pit. He and he alone is permitted to roam, that is why you never hear of any other angel but him in the Bible! But when YAHSHUA return and burns both the beast and the false prophet and the birds will the flesh of the other wicked; then Satan will be taken this time with the key and the chain and then cast into prison. This prison is not far from Heaven where there is no probation time like it here with us. People we need to think HIS WAYS are not our ways, HIS THOUGHTS are not our thoughts, we cannot even truly understand the secrets and mystery of THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY unless they show us!

The Seven Trumpets starts with the Time of Trouble, the last five months the evil angels will be release and they are told not to hurt the great multitude or the grass or trees to all of these people be sealed by the 144,000 they and only they will finish the work. Listen the wheat and the tares are coming up together, they are the wise (the wheat) and the foolish (the tares). Most will rather believe a lie then the truth. The six seal the angel from the East  told the four angels to hold the winds of strife and  the woes begins the strife. The great multitude is seal and when this is completed, the beast will ascend from Satan domain, yes him and those angels will deceive this beast man and make this place look powerful. Do not think that any man can outdo Satan and his power of deception if you do not have the protection of THE ALMIGHTY ONES? The beast will killed the whore within one hour that hour is two months when probation close after the 3 1/2 years. Read Daniel Chapter 12, you have 1260, 1290 and finally 1335 those are prophetic clues and they are literal days. The papacy once road the beast but he and the 10 kings will destroy her and only he is worship, NO MORE RELIGIONS! You need to find out who the image is because remember it will come alive and it was not destroyed in the Lake of Fire!

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

I am sending the last comment I sent. Last night the forum had an error and today it return. However it did not allow me to preview my work that had some error. So here it is with errors corrected.

Phkrause: You are such a nice person and I truly believe that you love THE MOST HIGH. Doug Batchelor believes the false myth of Islam, matter of fact it close to HCH belief. It comes from Uriah Smith Book on Daniel and Revelation. Why would we cling to a book that is base on old Protestant views? Yet some here do not give EGW the true respect when she says to take the Bible. Two places it talks about the River Euphrates in Revelation. The first one is Rev 9:14 and the second one is Rev 16:12 these two Scripture on deal with Islam. My friend Islam does not come out of the bottomless pit. Have you read Luke 8:30, 31

 And YAHSHUA asked him, saying, what is your name? And he answered, Legion (because many demons entered into him). And they begged HIM that HE not orders them to go away into the abyss. HBR

 The KJV use deep instead of abyss! But do you see they beg YAHSHUA not to order them to go to the abyss which also means bottomless pit. Rev 9:11 tells very clear that the angel and king who have a key to the bottomless pit. Rev 13:2 states the dragon give the beast his seat, power and authority. Rev 11:7 also states that the beast not the whore ascends out of the bottomless pit. Finally, Rev 20:1, 2 clearly states that the angels from Heaven has a key but also a chain and now Satan once the king over the bottomless pit  and now he is bound there. Have you read Jude which give you the clue and fact?

 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, HE hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6 

 But the writers of the KJV to the Greek word "ge," which mean "terrene globe" that have soil or land mass to mean only the earth. Now here is why it is not the earth and I stand with EGW and the Bible:

 Then there was war in Heaven. THE SON of God, THE PRINCE of Heaven, and his loyal angels, engaged in conflict with the arch rebel and those who united with him. THE SON of God and true, loyal angels prevailed; and Satan and his sympathizers were expelled from Heaven. All the Heavenly host acknowledged and adored the God of Justice. Not a taint of rebellion was left in Heaven. All was again peaceful and harmonious as before.

Angels in Heaven mourned the fate of those who had been their companions in happiness and bliss. Their loss was felt in Heaven. THE FATHER consulted Jesus in regard to at once carrying out their purpose to make man to inhabit the earth. HE would place man upon probation to test his loyalty, before he could be rendered eternally secure. If he endured the test wherewith God saw fit to prove him, he should eventually be equal with the angels. He was to have the favor of God, and he was to converse with angels, and they with him. HE did not see fit to place them beyond the power of disobedience.

 Satan was permitted to tempt them. . .

 Satan stood in amazement at his new condition. His happiness was gone. He looked upon the angels who, with him, were once so happy, but who had been expelled from Heaven with him. Before their fall, not a shade of discontent had marred their perfect bliss. Now all seemed changed. Countenances which had reflected the image of their MAKER were gloomy and despairing. Strife, discord, and bitter recrimination, were among them. Previous to their rebellion these things had been unknown in Heaven. Satan now beholds the terrible results of his rebellion. He shuddered, and feared to face the future, and to contemplate the end of these things.

The hour for joyful, happy songs of praise to God and HIS dear SON had come. Satan had led the Heavenly choir. He had raised the first note, then all the angelic host united with him, and glorious strains of music had resounded through Heaven in honor of God and his dear SON. But now, instead of strains of sweetest music, discord and angry words fall upon the ear of the great rebel leader. Where was he? Was it not all a horrible dream? Was he shut out of Heaven?

Were the gates of Heaven never more to open and admit him? The hour of worship draws nigh, when bright and Holy angels bow before THE FATHER. No more will he unite in Heavenly song. No more will he bow in Reverence and Holy awe before THE PRESENCE of THE ETERNAL God. Could he be again as he was when he was pure, true and loyal, gladly would he yield up the claims of his authority? But he was lost, beyond redemption, for his presumptuous rebellion! And this was not all; he had led others to rebellion and to the same lost condition with himself—angels, who had never thought to question THE WILL of Heaven, or refuse obedience to the SON of God till he had put it into their minds, presenting before them that they might enjoy a greater good, a higher and more glorious liberty. This had been the sophistry whereby he had deceived them. A responsibility now rests upon him from which he would fain be released.

These spirits had become turbulent with disappointed hopes. Instead of greater good, they were experiencing the sad results of disobedience and disregard of Law. Never more would these unhappy beings be swayed by the mild rule of Jesus Christ. Never more would their spirits be stirred by the deep, earnest love, peace, and joy, which HIS PRESENCE had ever inspired in them, to be returned to HIM in cheerful obedience and Reverential Honor.

Satan trembled as he viewed his work. He was alone in meditation upon the past, the present, and his future plans. His mighty frame shook as with a tempest. An angel from Heaven was passing. He called him, and entreated an interview with Christ. This was granted him. He then related to THE SON of God that he repented of his rebellion, and wished again the favor of God. He was willing to take the place God had previously assigned him, and be under HIS WISE Command. Christ Wept at Satan’s woe, but told him, as THE MIND of God, that he could never be received into Heaven. Heaven must not be placed in jeopardy. All Heaven would be marred should he be received back; for sin and rebellion originated with him. The seeds of rebellion were still within him. He had, in his rebellion, no occasion for his course, and he had not only hopelessly ruined himself, but the host of angels also, who would then have been happy in Heaven had he remained steadfast. The Law of God could condemn, but could not pardon.

 He repented not of his rebellion because he saw the goodness of God which he had abused. It was not possible that his love for God had so increased since his fall that it would lead to cheerful submission and happy obedience to HIS Law which had been despised. The wretchedness he realized in losing the sweet light of Heaven, and the sense of guilt which forced itself upon him, and the disappointment he experienced himself in not finding his expectations realized, were the cause of his grief. To be commander out of Heaven was vastly different from being thus honored in Heaven. The loss he had sustained of all the privileges of Heaven seemed too much to be borne. He wished to regain these.

This great change of position had not increased his love for God, nor for HIS Wise and just Law. When Satan became fully convinced that there was no possibility of his being reinstated in the favor of God, he manifested his malice with increased hatred and fiery vehemence.

 God knew that such determined rebellion would not remain inactive. Satan would invent means to annoy the Heavenly angels, and show contempt for HIS Authority. As he could not gain admission within the Gates of Heaven, he would wait just at the entrance, to taunt the angels and seek contention with them as they went in and out. He would seek to destroy the happiness of Adam and Eve. He would endeavor to incite them to rebellion, knowing that this would cause grief in Heaven. . .

 Satan held a consultation with his evil angels. They did not all readily unite to engage in this hazardous and terrible work. He told them that he would not entrust any one of them to accomplish this work; for he thought that he alone had wisdom sufficient to carry forward so important an enterprise. He wished them to consider the matter while he should leave them and seek retirement, to mature his plans. He sought to impress upon them that this was their last and only hope. If they failed here, all prospect of regaining and controlling Heaven, or any part of God's creation, was hopeless. 1SP p. 23, 24, 28-31

 Let me make this very clear, Satan and his angels were kick out of Heaven into the bottomless (only place that has no bottom is out in space!) pit is a moon or planet that only the evil angels are in prison; they do not need oxygen or air to survive. They were kicked out of Heaven before the earth was made. Some are allowed out only one each, to work with each individual soul until he dies. Then that angel must return back to prison. One legion was permitted only once and they did not want YAHSHUA to order them back right then. They begged to go and to torture the pigs or swine. The swine or any animal cannot endure the torture that man goes through with that many evil angels. The swine killed themselves and the angels went back to prison. Satan has a key but not the chain to the bottomless pit. He and he alone is permitted to roam, that is why you never hear of any other angel but him in the Bible going to and forth into the earth! But when YAHSHUA return and burns both the beast and the false prophet and the birds will eat the flesh of the other wicked; then Satan will be taken this time with the key and the chain and then cast into prison for a thousand years. This prison is not far from Heaven where there is no probation time like it here with us. People we need to think HIS WAYS are not our ways, HIS THOUGHTS are not our thoughts, and we cannot even truly understand the secrets and mystery of THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY unless they show us!

 The Seven Trumpets starts with the Time of Trouble, the last five months the evil angels will be release and they are told not to hurt the great multitude or the grass or trees to all of these people be sealed by THE HOLY SPIRIT from the Loud Cry of the 144,000 they and only they will finish the work. Listen the wheat and the tares are coming up together, they are the wise (the wheat) and the foolish (the tares). Most will rather believe a lie then the truth. The six seal the angel from the East  told the four angels to hold the winds of strife and  the woes begins the strife. The great multitude is seal and when this is completed, the beast will ascend from Satan domain, yes him and those angels will deceive this beast man and make this place look powerful. Do not think that any man can outdo Satan and his power of deception if you do not have the protection of THE ALMIGHTY ONES! The beast will killed the whore within one hour that hour is two months when probation close after the 3 1/2 years. Read Daniel Chapter 12, you have 1260, 1290 and finally 1335 those are prophetic clues and they are literal days. The papacy once road the beast but he and the 10 kings will destroy her and only he is worship, NO MORE RELIGIONS! You need to find out who the image is because remember it will come alive and it was not destroyed in the Lake of Fire!

 Blessings!

[JoeMo]

On 11/17/2018 at 11:39 AM, phkrause said:

I believe Pr Doug Batchelor does a pretty good job!

I watched all 3 videos.  I'm not a big fan of Doug, but I agree - he did a good job!  He had me going right up to the last 15 minutes of the 3rd video; where he went right back to the traditional SDA interpretation - that the papacy/RCC will declare themselves to be God - without much justification IMHO.  That being said, I still think the end-time beast power will be Islam - not Christianity. But the video definitely presented a good case for MAJOR end-time event involvement by the western ("Christian?) world.

The 3rd video was one of the best studies on Daniel 11 I have ever heard.

[stinsonmarri]

Phkrause it is my hope that you respond back on what I wrote. Even if you don't agree, I hope the Bible can be both our guide and not man.

Blessings!

[phkrause]

20 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Phkrause it is my hope that you respond back on what I wrote. Even if you don't agree, I hope the Bible can be both our guide and not man.

Blessings!

I plan to, but it might take a while!!

[stinsonmarri]

On 11/20/2018 at 4:57 PM, phkrause said:

I plan to, but it might take a while!!

That is fine my friend, take your time. I am always here!?

Happy Sabbath!

[whbae]

There is a magazine called "Trumpet" issued monthly by the Church of Philadelphia in PA.  The current issue talks about Iran.  I think it will do some good for all christians read this magazine  which is free of  charge.   I am sure a lot of you will enjoy reading the articles in the magazine.

[phkrause]

3 hours ago, whbae said:

There is a magazine called "Trumpet" issued monthly by the Church of Philadelphia in PA.  The current issue talks about Iran.  I think it will do some good for all christians read this magazine  which is free of  charge.   I am sure a lot of you will enjoy reading the articles in the magazine.

Where do you get this magazine from? On line, at a website? or from the news stand?

[stinsonmarri]

6 hours ago, whbae said:

There is a magazine called "Trumpet" issued monthly by the Church of Philadelphia in PA.  The current issue talks about Iran.  I think it will do some good for all christians read this magazine  which is free of  charge.   I am sure a lot of you will enjoy reading the articles in the magazine.

I do not agree with the Trumpet Magazine and here is why:

The oldest city in Germany is Trier; a city whose inhabitants say was founded around 2000 B.C. by the Assyrians. The Trumpet

This is not true:

The first traces of human settlement in the area of the city show evidence of linear pottery settlements dating from the early Neolithic period. Since the last pre-Christian centuries, members of the Celtic tribe of the Treveri settled in the area of today's Trier. Heinen, p. 1-12

Then the magazine made this claim:

The original Ninus was Nimrod, grandson of Ham, of the black race. Asshur, son of Shem, who was white, also took the name Ninus. He is the Ninus ii of ancient historic record who founded Nineveh. The Trumpet

Really? Now it is sad how Nimrod turned out even though he was black, but the Bible clearly states that he build Nineveh in the land of the Assyrians:

He was a mighty hunter before YAHWEH: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before YAHWEH.  And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. From that land he went forth to Assyria and built Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city. Gen 10:9-12 HRB

Now I like to know where on earth did they come up with the idea that Shem's descendants are White???? You know Wanderer stated a true fact that even though White people call themselves white they truly are not! They have color too you mostly see pink or red in their skin! They do have a real light color that make some to look pale or slightly a tint of yellow but not white! However Shem's descendants were light brown to dark brown. Now I can honestly tell I have seem some of my black brother's and sister who are so black they look blue black or an ashy gray black and that's a fact! But to make it appear that Shem is the color of Japheth is totally wrong. The proof is that the Bible stated clearly in Gen 9:27 that Japheth would dwell in the tents of Shem. Now if you notice Iran who really mean Aryans the Medes and Persians came down and mixed with the Elamelites who came from Shem. But history and the Bible states that the Kushites and the Elamelites married and mix together. When you look at the people of the near East they have colors close to the Europeans who are Germans, Turds, Russians etc. also Shem who are light brown and Ham who have dark color skin. It all mix up and the DNA says the same!

Here is true historical facts as well:

Ninus (Greek: Νίνος), according to Greek historians writing in the Hellenistic period and later, was accepted as the eponymous founder of Nineveh (also called Νίνου πόλις "city of Ninus" in Greek), ancient capital of Assyria. His name is not attested on the Assyrian King List or in any cuneiform literature; he does not seem to represent any one personage known to modern history, and is more likely a conflation of several real and/or fictional figures of antiquity, as seen to the Greeks through the mists of time.  From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This Ninus II is not real but fiction. I know that the Assyrians did not want to give Nimrod credit for building Nineveh due to family pride. But other historical accounts also gives him that credit.

Now I also read on their views about Iran:

EUROPE AND IRAN ON COURSE FOR A CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS

Iran is still a major force of provocation and destabilization in the world.

The Trumpet has forecast for years that Iran isn’t going to be stopped before it ignites a serious war, a war that will, in fact, escalate into the next worldwide war.

We also forecast that Iran’s primary adversary in that war will not be the Jewish state of Israel, which Iranian leaders call “the little Satan,” or even America, “the great Satan.”

It will be a united European empire spearheaded by Germany.

These are bold and dramatic forecasts that the Trumpet has consistently emphasized for more than a quarter century. Yet current events are lining up to bring this scenario to pass.

The holy wars between the Catholics and Muslims are about to make a comeback. Europe and the Iran are headed toward war over control of Jerusalem, nuclear weapons, terrorism and access to oil. Find out why peace is not an option and why the Trumpet is watching for another violent crusade. The Trumpet

Nope it is not going to happen and the Bible tells exactly what will happen shortly. I don't know why everyone keep thinking that the Ashkenazi and the false Judaic religion are the chosen people by YAHWEH, they are not, they are Germans who adopted yes through marriage a false religion that YAHWEH never authorized if so prove it Biblically please! They are not IsraEL or Hebrews they said that themselves.

"Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to all a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3)

I agree!

In conclusion this magazine is an offshoot of Herbert W. Armstrong Church, the World Church of God! They split off after the shocking facts on Armstrong but this magazine give dedication to his book. So I did check it out and do not agree with whbae because the magazine writers are prejudice and write false historical views.

Blessings!

[JoeMo]

10 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

In conclusion this magazine is an offshoot of Herbert W. Armstrong Church, the World Church of God!

I first learned about the Sabbath from the Worldwide Church of God.  Went to their church in Kansas City once - and decided that time that they were white supremacists.  Had to find another Sabbath keeping church.  Thats how I became an SDA.

14 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

The original Ninus was Nimrod, grandson of Ham, of the black race. Asshur, son of Shem, who was white, also took the name Ninus.

How do they know Ham was black and Shem was white?  That's enough to turn me off from the magazine.

[stinsonmarri]

2 hours ago, JoeMo said:

How do they know Ham was black and Shem was white?  That's enough to turn me off from the magazine.

Joe, I truly can't believe that you would ask that. Don't you know? I never said that Shem was White the magazine that I quoted from said that! But I am a descendant of Ham and I have trace my DNA back to Afrika. My ancestors came from Afrika and I seen a lot of them when I lived in Israel, and brother many of my Afrikan relatives are blue black and gray ashy black in color as some have blonde hair and blue eyes. The blonde hair of Afrikan is bronze and wooli thick very course and curly. The Hebrew and Arabic, in which the word chamam means "to be hot" and "to be black," the latter signification being derived from the former. "Khem" (Cham or Ham) which means "burnt" or "black."

Warm, hot, and hence the south; also an Egyptian word meaning "black", the youngest son of Noah. Easton's Bible Dictionary

I was not upset about them saying Nimrod is Black, that is true. It is the lie they told against the Bible about a Ninus II. Nimrod who did sin and brought on religions of the world is the only man that actually rule the entire world. No one else have ever rule the entire world! Believe it, his kingdom stretch from Mesopotamia to Australia! This man build a huge empire and Babylon was to be its capital!

Then is was the false claim about Shem being White and the Assyrians were Germans and claim to build the city of Trier. I am an historian and I know that the Celtic build that city, they are known in the Bible as the Galatians! They are also the Irish and Scottish people, the original Europeans before the Aryan invasions along with the Germans. Indo represents the Aryan and Europeans as Indo-Europeans! I have some Celtic blood in me as well. Now the prejudice did turn me off and that's why I brought it up. I hope you understand now my friend!

Blessings!

 

[whbae]

The Web site for Trumpet:www.theTrumpet.com.   Email:letters@thetrumpet.com

[JoeMo]

11 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Joe, I truly can't believe that you would ask that. Don't you know? I never said that Shem was White the magazine that I quoted from said that!

I know that Marri.  I was talking about the quote from the magazine.  I've read enough of your posts to know you would never say that.  I respect your research and knowledge.

[stinsonmarri]

12 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

I know that Marri.  I was talking about the quote from the magazine.  I've read enough of your posts to know you would never say that.  I respect your research and knowledge.

Sorry Joe I misunderstood and thank you very much for the compliment. Humbly my knowledge is from THE HOLY SPIRIT and that makes me feel great to have your approval!?

Blessings!

[JoeMo]

Blessings to you as well, my sister! ?

[hch]

Update:

President Trump had removed the two US aircraft carriers from the Persian Gulf so for a while there was no American ships for Iran to attack. Two new stories caught my attention recently (google to find them if you want the details)

1. President Trump has ordered a US aircraft carrier redeployed in the Persian Gulf.

2. Iran has just announced that its fleet of speed boats that are armed with missile launchers are to be redesigned to be stealth enabled. In other words, they will no longer be detected by US radar.

The war is coming, though it tarry...wait for it...it will come and the timing harmonizes with my other studies:

The time of the judgment of the dead and living is over

God is sealing the 144000

We are in the final shaking time

Lots of people have difficulty applying Daniel 2 to our time, i.e., 4 endtime American presidents. And some here have scoffed me for my biblical interpretations calling it everything but reliable. But I continue to study.

In my studies, I told everyone, who would listen for 14 months before the fact, that Pope Benedict XVI would not be pope after the spring of 2013. Then when it happened, I learned by the fulfillment of prophecy details that I did not understand before it happened. Likewise, from my study of prophecy, I saw that President Bush II was the last American president identified in Daniel 2, then it was back to the drawing board to see what I missed when he yielded the office to President Obama.

That was most interesting. As I restudied Daniel 2 & 7, I realized that I had overlooked that the Roman power was twofold: pagan  and papal. So I found Obama in Daniel 2. And since I understood the 7 heads on the healed sea-beast in Revelation 13 to be the popes from Pius XI through Benedict XVI and the 10 horns to be Presidents Truman through Clinton, I had no trouble seeing the two horns on the earth beast that followed were Bush II and Obama. But Obama was not the last (horn) American President. The scoffers took me to task. Instead of looking at the evidence and seeing what was right, they mocked the study because it was not fulfilled as I had presented it.

But God is gracious. And I have continued to study. And what I discovered fills me with hope. 

I knew that the duo (translated as two in the 42 months of Revelation 13) had been fulfilled as 42 full months with a little time left over by pope John-Paul II. He died 42 full months after 9/11/01 on 4/2/05. I also knew from looking at all the particulars that on the Hebrew calendar it was exactly 42 plus 2 months to the day from 9/11/01 to 4/2/05. The Bible writers used the Hebrew calendar. It is lunar. A month has t be added periodically to keep it in sync with our solar calendar. The month of Adar I was added twice between 9/11/01 and 4/2/05. And in Luke 10:1 duo is translated as 2 & 2.  That solved the mystery of the 4 kings. The duo horns on the earth beast are 2&2: Presidents Bush II, Obama, Trump, and Michael... for it is written that there will be a time of trouble like we have never seen and Michael will stand for his people (cf Daniel 12:1).

So the bottom line, as I understand it is: when Michael stands for his people, Michael will stand for His people.

IMHO, It is time to get ready to go home.

"The final events will be rapid ones" according to you know who

[Gregory Matthews]

As to The Trumpet:   As previously stated, it has it beginning in the work of  The Worldwide Church of God and H. W. Armstrong.  When Armstrong was alive, he was attractive to some Adventists, due to his Sabbath-keeping beliefs.  However, in major area Armstrong differed from Adventist understandings.   The following church is just one of the splits that took place upon his death. Major doctrinal differences exist between those groups. 

The Philadelphia Trumpet is a free of charge monthly magazine published by the Philadelphia Church of God, also available online. The magazine's focus is on domestic and international current events, societal commentary, and Bible based self-help articles, which often source Biblical writing as prophecy relating to world events. The magazine's editor in chief Gerald Flurry, Pastor General of the PCG, characterizes the magazine as the successor to the Worldwide Church of God's The Plain Truth magazine, when under the direction of Herbert W. Armstrong. The magazine's advertisements consist solely of free of charge offers for PCG books, booklets and other materials, much of which were originally published by Armstrong. The PCG was awarded ownership of the main core of Armstrong's books, booklets and The Bible Correspondence Course by the US Supreme Court in 2003 when sued by WCG for printing and distributing one of Armstrong's books.

[hch]

Must SEE...Very Interesting news brief just discovered when I just googled "Iran news"

The rhetoric is ramping up. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=iran+breaking+news+today&view=detail&mid=33320136D123B71F8B2333320136D123B71F8B23&FORM=VIRE

 

[hch]

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But what is the “image to the beast”? and how is it to be formed? The image is made by the two-horned beast, and is an image to the first beast. It is also called an image of the beast. Then to learn what the image is like, and how it is to be formed, we must study the characteristics of the beast itself, —the papacy. GC88 443.2

The beast is a counterfeit of Christ. Jesus lived for 30 years before he was anointed. Jesus overcame three temptations to begin His ministry. And He ministered 3.5 years or 1260 days.

The papal beast began to rise in 508 as a results of the Franks effort to conquer the Visigoths  (After they killed Alaric II in battle, his son, Gesalic became king of the Visigoths and he was ousted [plucked up] in 508 by Theodoric the Great). Then the Eastern Roman Army plucked up King Gelimer of the Vandals (by 533). And lastly, they plucked up King Witigis in 538. Thus in a 30 year period three horns that stood in the way of the formation of the papacy were removed.

Pope Vigilius was appointed by the Eastern Roman Emperor as Christ was anointed by God. Then the papacy ruled for 1260 years from 538 to 1798 as Christ had ministered for 1260 days.

Christ was betrayed by a friend, Judas. Pope Pius VI was betrayed by the French in 1798.

Christ had a deadly wound: He was crucified, but He did not stay dead. The pope had a deadly wound in 1798, he was removed from head of church and state. Jesus died on Friday. Pius was jailed in 1798 and died early in 1799. Jesus rested in His tomb Sabbath: There was no pope for most of 1799. Christ arose Sunday (thee first day of the week): Pope Pius VII was elected and installed in 1800 (the first year of the new century) when the papacy was resurrected.

To understand the rise of the image beast, study the formation of the papacy: It had an Eastern Emperor's political appointee in control of the state church in March 538 at the end of its 30 years, when the third Arian king was plucked up. The image beast is the USA. In 1989, the ruler of Iran (Ruhollah Khomeini) who had arisen to power after the revolution died and a new man was placed in his position as a head of church and state (Sayyid Ali Hosseini Khamenei). February 1, 1989 Iran warms up to Russia AND it is the Anniversary of restoration of Iran's theocracy (that is celebrated for 10 days). As the Eastern Roman Army and its allies had plucked up 3 kings (Gesalic, Gelimer, Witigis) in the Western Roman Empire, America has plucked up two kings in the former Eastern Roman Empire (Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein) with a third king yet to go. My study indicates that it will be a ruler in Iran and sometime in 2019 fits the 30 year timing that is noted in the rise of the papacy.(A February to March scenario is worthy of watching especially considering that Iran is planning missile launches to deploy satellites that the USA opposes, and Iran is reportedly planning to send its fleet to patrol the Atlantic in that time frame.)

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I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved. Habakkuk 2:1 

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.  Mark 13:37

 

[Gregory Matthews]

HCH said in the quote below:

By any chance, are you quoting yourself?  The voice, to me, sounds like your voice.

I am just asking as I do not know.

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Must SEE...Very Interesting news brief just discovered when I just googled "Iran news"

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=iran+breaking+news+today&view=detail&mid=33320136D123B71F8B2333320136D123B71F8B23&FORM=VIRE

[hch]

3 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

HCH said in the quote below:

By any chance, are you quoting yourself?  The voice, to me, sounds like your voice.

I am just asking as I do not know.

no

[hch]

As I watch:

The US secretary of Defense has recently stepped down

The President is threatening marshal law along the southern boarder... to make it possible for him to build his wall

parts of the US Government are shut down

and now our navy is provoking China

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-sends-military-to-intercept-us-in-disputed-sea/ar-BBRWCzX?ocid=spartandhp

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The days in which we live are solemn and important. The Spirit of God is gradually but surely being withdrawn from the earth. Plagues and judgments are already falling upon the despisers of the grace of God. The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude. The agencies of evil are combining their forces, and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones.--Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 11

 

[phkrause]

3 hours ago, hch said:

As I watch:

The US secretary of Defense has recently stepped down

The President is threatening marshal law along the southern boarder... to make it possible for him to build his wall

parts of the US Government are shut down

and now our navy is provoking China

It's funny that the POTUS is threatening marshal law!! Yet the republicans were claiming for 8 years that Obama was gonna do that, but yet it never even came close or even thought about by him!!

[stinsonmarri]

On 11/26/2018 at 10:51 PM, JoeMo said:

Asshur, son of Shem, who was white, also took the name Ninus.

Joe: I just notice this, Shem was not White my friend, he was olive brown. Japheth was White and Ham had high yellow to ebony or black skin children. Read Gen 9:27, and it will tell you that Japheth eventually dwelled in the tents of Shem. Persia conquered Elam. The Elamites were Semitic and they mixed with the Kushites. Iran is ancient Persia who people were White the Aryan people who conquered Shem's land, then Greece, then Rome. The Iranian have various shades of color. They do look like the Germans or Europeans because they mixed with both Shem and Ham. Yemen belong to Ham but his children mix with Shem's children way before Japheth children took over and mix with Shem and then dwelled in his land!

Blessings!

[B/W Photodude]

One of the few word studies in Hebrew I will get into would be the relationship between red, Adam, earth, and even the planet Mars:

red adom אָדֹם

Adam (אדם) literally means "red"

blood dam דָּם

ground or earth  Adamah  אדמה

Mars  Ma•a•dim  מַאְדִּים

We can imagine all kinds of colors, but keep in mind that Shem, Ham, and Japheth were all full brothers. Possibly you could have an array of colors in three brothers, but since no one was there to actually see them, it is all speculation. I am not really will to go out on a limb and say the "colors of the races" was evident in Noah's sons. No one can know what their colors were.

Adam is said in SOP to have been red. And even his name has that Hebrew entymological relationship to color and even the earth (dirt).

While we are here, Saturn has an interesting name

Shabbatai שבתאי, Saturn

Meaning: "the restful one," whose name is parallel to that of the Sabbath Day; the Seventh day; the day of rest. Esoterically, Saturn embodies Time itself. In the midst of time's passage, Saturn remains still and silent, drawing all endeavors to a close.