Who's fooling who?

[stinsonmarri]

Hey prophet HCH, didn't you prophesied that Pence was going to be president? Tell us great prophet what happen? Don't you think it is time for you to retire and leave the prophecies to THE ALMIGHTY ONES, like what the Bible says. Like the Pastor said and I changing your theme somewhat; who's really fooling YOU!

Peace!

[hch]

On 2/8/2020 at 1:35 PM, stinsonmarri said:

...HCH, didn't you prophesied that Pence was going to be president? Tell us great prophet what happen? Don't you think it is time for you to retire and leave the prophecies to THE ALMIGHTY ONES, like what the Bible says. Like the Pastor said and I changing your theme somewhat; who's really fooling YOU!

Peace!

Most people read Michael standing for his people in Daniel 12:1 as Christ standing for His saints. Matthew Henry taught it: “Michael is simply another of the many names for Jesus Himself” (https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/85/t/who-is-michael-the-archangel-#AN-AMAZING-FACT). That is true, but it is not the whole truth. But why did Ellen White teach it if it is not the whole truth? Perhaps you will see the big picture when you read the  little snippets that follow:

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Yet while it was not given to the prophets to understand fully the things revealed to them, they earnestly sought to obtain all the light which God had been pleased to make manifest (GC 344.3).

 

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The Lord has shown me in vision, that Jesus rose up, and shut the door, and entered the Holy of Holies, at the 7th month 1844; but Michael's standing up (Daniel 12:1) to deliver his people, is in the future (WLF 12.4).

 

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Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. The nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out (EW 36.1).

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“The commencement of that time of trouble,” here mentioned does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the “latter rain,” or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out (EW 85.3).

Did you see that Michael stands after 1844 to commence the Time of trouble (Daniel 12:1). A space of time follows in which the latter rain is poured out. Then Michael stands to begin the Seven last plagues. Do you think that Jesus stands twice after 1844?

[hch]

Of course there are some things that are difficult to understand.

From Bible study it can be proved that the Judgment hour of the dead was 83 years 4 months...from 22 Oct 1844 to 22 Feb 1928

It can be shown that the dead church (Rev 3:1) died in 1798 and it was dead for the entire 83 year month hour

Thus, Judgment began at the Dead House of God in 1844, and the dead church was dead for the entire hour.

After the Judgment Hour of the Dead ended, the dead church was revived by Mussolini in 1929

After the Dead Church was alive, the judgment Hour of the living could begin on the Day of atonement 14 October 1929

From Bible study it can be proved that the Judgment hour of the Living was 83 years 4 months...from 14 Oct 1929 to14 Feb 2013

The one pope at a time king of the living church resigned shortly after the Judgment hour of the living ended 14 Feb 2013

Jesus said that it would be as it was in Noah's day

Noah went into the Ark and was sealed in it for 7 days

God began sealing His people when the Judgment Hour of the Living ended 14 Feb 2013

So what does that mean to the skeptics?

A day in Bible prophecy can be a year

If Noah's 7 days were 7 years, they should end 14 February 2020 or soo thereabout...if God is using the Gregorian Calendar

Will they end Friday? Anything happening around Valentines Day 2020 that can be linked to Bible prophecy?

a whimper that is spiritually discerned? Or a Major event that only a fool could miss?

As for me...I'll keep watching, studying, and pleading that my sins be forgiven while Jesus is in Heaven's Sanctuary!

The skeptics can keep running the clock down (hoping that the Bible student in their midst is a false prophet). 

Noah probably pleaded with the antediluvians before the Ark's door was closed.

And Noah probably wept for his friends when they banged on the Ark's door begging to com in as soon as it started raining.

I do not know what else I can do.

I have studied, prayed, shared, warned, offered free literature, born reproach and ridicule, had my words get twisted and turned, been threatened, censured, shunned, misunderstood, and shamed to mention just some of the highlights of my experience from among my brethren and sisters. But the love of God has born me through every situation. And today's study was a gem that gives me courage to bask in Christ's merciful grace while it fills me with inexpressible joy!

[Gregory Matthews]

HCH you are not a Noah.  I am smelling something rotten.

[stinsonmarri]

1 hour ago, Gregory Matthews said:

HCH you are not a Noah.  I am smelling something rotten.

Pastor his prediction about Pence did not come true and he had the nerve to make the claim he is MIC HALE THE ARK ANGEL which is YAHSHUA! I hate to say it but he gets rotten and rotten all the time and that makes me sad!?

 

[stinsonmarri]

8 hours ago, hch said:

Most people read Michael standing for his people in Daniel 12:1 as Christ standing for His saints. Matthew Henry taught it: “Michael is simply another of the many names for Jesus Himself” (https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/85/t/who-is-michael-the-archangel-#AN-AMAZING-FACT). That is true, but it is not the whole truth. But why did Ellen White teach it if it is not the whole truth? Perhaps you will see the big picture when you read the  little snippets that follow:

 

 

Did you see that Michael stands after 1844 to commence the Time of trouble (Daniel 12:1). A space of time follows in which the latter rain is poured out. Then Michael stands to begin the Seven last plagues. Do you think that Jesus stands twice after 1844?

HCH: We all know that, where have you been? The Time of Trouble has not begin but when MICHAEL who is YAHSHUA not Jesus! When HE stands, HE is also THE LAMB in Revelation 6:17 both meaning the same thing HIS WRATH, the the Seven Trumpets HIS WRATH will begin to blow! However, probation is not close because people will rise for everlasting glory and everlasting contempt. The wise Virgins will shine and bring those who YAHWEH tells and shows John they are the great multitude that will be seal! Once they are sealed then THE WRATH of THE FATHER are the 7 last plagues that falls mainly on the beast and the world in Rev Chapter 16! No one has ever said that MICHAEL will stand twice but now I do agree with you about THE LATTER RAIN being poured our. I have to study that a little more but that sounds reasonable! HE is not ready to come back at that time that is for sure! So thank you for that. I am always open minded to things that appear true and then I will spread it but I have to study it some more first!

Blessings!

[hch]

Allow me to share some clues about Michael standing from Ellen White’s Spirit of prophecy writings:

The “time of trouble, such as never was,” is soon to open upon us; and we shall need an experience which we do not now possess and which many are too indolent to obtain. It is often the case that trouble is greater in anticipation than in reality; but this is not true of the crisis before us. The most vivid presentation cannot reach the magnitude of the ordeal. In that time of trial, every soul must stand for himself before God. “Though Noah, Daniel, and Job” were in the land, “as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.” Ezekiel 14:20 (GC 622.4).

Jesus rose up, and shut the door, and entered the Holy of Holies, at the 7th month 1844; but Michael’s standing up (Daniel 12:1) to deliver his people, is in the future (WLF 12.4).

Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. The nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out (EW 36.1).

“The commencement of that time of trouble,” here mentioned does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the “latter rain,” or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out (EW 85.3).

The light that Daniel received direct from God was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of the Ulai and the Hiddekel…are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon have come to pass (4BC 1166.5).

I was by the side of the great river, which [is] Hiddekel …Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me (Daniel 10:4, 13).

As I read EGW

1. Michael stood in 1844, but that is not the final complete meaning of Daniel 12:1.
2. Michael stands to bring on the Time of Trouble.
3. after the Time of Trouble begins the latter rain comes.
4. Michael stands and puts on the garments of vengeance and comes to rescue the saints.
   Jesus stood in 1844 to begin the Investigative Judgment…OK
   Jesus stands at the end of the IJ to return for His saints…OK
   Why is Michael called ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES?
   Who is the Michael that stands to begin the Time of Trouble…My study says Michael Pence.
   The whole study is in “The Last Trump Shall Sound: Michael Stands”

[hch]

I gave the date of the end of the Judgment of the living as 14 February 2013
and I noted the parallel between Noah's 7 days and our 7 years that end 14 February 2020
I wondered if 14 February 2020 would bring any events of significance
Are the twin bomb cyclones merging into one of the strongest storms ever (14 Feb 2020)
In the North Atlantic (heading toward the Old World)
any indication of prophecy fulfilled (as it was in the days of Noah so will it be before the coming of Jesus) or a sign that we need to note?

As Noah waited in the ark for 7 days for the rain to come,

You must admit that it is interesting that on the very day that ended our 7 years: We have a super storm

[Gregory Matthews]

On every day of the year domething happens.  You seem to me to be looking more to the daily news than to the Bible.

[JoeMo]

Let's talk about the corona virus explosion. Could this be a crisis that - along with climate change - brings globalization to the stage?  Realistically, this virus will spread across the globe; eventually infecting 60% - 80% of the world's population killing as many as 10% of those infected - mostly the poor and elderly (so they say).

Is this virus really going to turn out to be the "Spanish Flu" of the 21st century, or is this just another scare tactic? Who's fooling who?

[B/W Photodude]

32 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

Let's talk about the corona virus explosion. Could this be a crisis that - along with climate change - brings globalization to the stage?

I tend to think that there is too much panic regarding this disease, not that health organizations shouldn't be monitoring it and doing what they are doing. However, we have been thru many of these threats that never really went much of anywhere including the swine flue of the seventies, SARs, MERs, Ebola, and now - Coronavirus. And don't forget the strains of gonnorhea that are resistant to all antibiotics. You have MRSA, VRE, and emerging is VRSA. 

I am more concerned regarding the usual influenza virus that go around every year killing on average 19,000 in just the US. Annually every year, specialists confer and pick the strain predicted to be coming in the following year and flu vaccines are made. If they guess wrong on the type of flu vaccine, which happens, the deaths can increase to 36,000 in one flu season as it did a couple of years ago. I am aware that in the end times pestilences will occur.

While one needs to be cautious regarding diseases, I am not really at the point of becoming panicked or even changing any lifestyle practices as yet. I guess the thing to do is go on with your life while being aware of what is going on. I am aware that in the end times pestilences will occur.

[BlessedMan]

56 minutes ago, JoeMo said:

Let's talk about the corona virus explosion. Could this be a crisis that - along with climate change - brings globalization to the stage?  Realistically, this virus will spread across the globe; eventually infecting 60% - 80% of the world's population killing as many as 10% of those infected - mostly the poor and elderly (so they say).

Is this virus really going to turn out to be the "Spanish Flu" of the 21st century, or is this just another scare tactic? Who's fooling who?

there are most likely a variety of things that will find confluence in the ever-increasing efforts at globalization, and not just one thing. I believe that this "corona virus" is being co-opted as a scare tactic towards this end. Its important to note, the "corona virus" is actually a whole group of slightly variating "bugs" but they are all just versions of "the flu." As B/W has said, "the flu" kills far more people every year than this current bug is doing.  There are mixed reports on whats happening with the corona spectrum.  This reflects upon the Big media's incessant quest for more clicks, and click bait.

The real concern here is how well do you know Jesus?  If we keep focusing, as does Big media, on "the crises" or "the emergency" then we may indeed, by our own actions, fall in with the crowds whose "hearts are failing them for fear."   No. I am not saying ignore this virus. Maybe I am suggesting getting our priorities straight.  Dont allow Big Media to set that agenda for you. They will continue to pump out as much fear as they can; their click bait attracts and holds our attentions by FEAR. (False Evidence Appearing Real. They will be running on their way to the bank one of these days with all that money they are making on this, and will suddenly lose it all. I think thats what scripture means when it says "weep and howl you rich people...." 

This ridiculous stuff that HCH is pumping out has nothing to do with reality. A true shepherd would always point people to Jesus, and the Holy Spirit would always expressly speak through the true shepherds of the flock.

As a people, the churches have long sought to identify as culturally "relevant" and the whole time the only thing that can do that is a focus on Jesus. There is a reason that scripture says "He alone is THE way, THE truth, and THE life. (John 14:6)

The message of the day should be more along the lines of the ancient prophets:

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"As your days, so shall your strength be." (Deut 32:5)

 

[hch]

8 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

I am more concerned regarding the usual influenza virus

The endtime issue is being deceived by the 666 Mark of the Beast vs being faithful to Jesus (believing the third angel's message).

From studying Scripture, it is possible to understand the Present Truth about the endtime deceivers that will enact, enforce, and propagate the Mark of the Beast. Rejecting Present Truth has consequences: God's people are destroyed because they reject knowledge! Thus, the saints in the know are bound by the love of Jesus to warn other saints so that they will avoid being deceived.  Neglecting to hear, to have, and to give the right message at the right time is not the love of Jesus. A mere profession of faith without the corresponding works is dead. While satanic agents misrepresent the issue, redirect attention from Present Truth to nonessential issues, and cast doubt upon those who give the third angel's message its distinct sound, God is sealing His saints that will not take the Mark of the Beast. Each must ask themselves: Will I look and live? What good is having Present Truth available that is never accessed?  Will I believe the true light from heaven? As light moves, the dawn gives way to night's darkness; have I followed the light or has it moved away from me; leaving me in the darkness?  Or will I be afraid to look at Present Truth, assume that it is in error, and speak evil about what I do not understand? That would speak volumes about my relationship with Jesus or lack thereof.

[stinsonmarri]

1 hour ago, hch said:

The endtime issue is being deceived by the 666 Mark of the Beast vs being faithful to Jesus (believing the third angel's message).

From studying Scripture, it is possible to understand the Present Truth about the endtime deceivers that will enact, enforce, and propagate the Mark of the Beast. Rejecting Present Truth has consequences: God's people are destroyed because they reject knowledge! Thus, the saints in the know are bound by the love of Jesus to warn other saints so that they will avoid being deceived.  Neglecting to hear, to have, and to give the right message at the right time is not the love of Jesus. A mere profession of faith without the corresponding works is dead. While satanic agents misrepresent the issue, redirect attention from Present Truth to nonessential issues, and cast doubt upon those who give the third angel's message its distinct sound, God is sealing His saints that will not take the Mark of the Beast. Each must ask themselves: Will I look and live? What good is having Present Truth available that is never accessed?  Will I believe the true light from heaven? As light moves, the dawn gives way to night's darkness; have I followed the light or has it moved away from me; leaving me in the darkness?  Or will I be afraid to look at Present Truth, assume that it is in error, and speak evil about what I do not understand? That would speak volumes about my relationship with Jesus or lack thereof.

Explain these Scriptures (I am using revised versions that haven't change the words but use words that are more understandable):  And the angel said: Why are you so amazed? I will explain the mystery about this woman (and) about the beast she is sitting on, with its seven heads and ten horns. Rev 17:7 CEV

First,  the angel will explain the mystery about the woman! Second, the angel will explain the mystery about the beat she is sitting on! I put parenthesis around and because it is a conjunction. That is between to separate thoughts!

 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come. Rev 17:8 ASV

The angel is only talking about the beast, not the whore!

And the beast of prey, which was and is not, is the eighth, and is from the seven, and is for perdition. Rev 17:11 Murdock

The beast is the eight head originally from the seventh head and the beast goes to destruction! Greek words, "ek ex," English word, "of,"-meaning: A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from. Strong Greek Dictionary

 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.  These have one mind and shall give their power and strength unto the beast Rev 17:12,13  KJV

The ten horns become kings in the future but will receive power as kings one hour with the beast only! These kings have one mind and they give all their power to the beast!

 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, THESE SHALL HATE THE WHORE and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For ELOHIYM hath put in their hearts to fulfill HIS WILL, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast until the Words of ELOHIYM shall be fulfilled.   And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Rev 17:16-18 

 But the court which is without the Temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Rev 11:2 KJV 

 And their bodies will be on the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom, and Egypt, where our MASTER was crucified. Rev 11:8

 And another messenger followed, saying, “Baḇel is fallen, is fallen, that great city because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her whoring.”  Rev 14:8, 9; (Isa 21:9; Jer 51:8 ) TS2009

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is  Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city for in one hour is thy judgment come. For in one hour so great riches is come to naught. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off. And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city and they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness for in one hour is she made desolate.  Rejoice over her, thou Heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for ELOHIYM hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.  Rev 18:8, 10, 18-21  

In the future 10 horns fulfilling YAHWEH'S WILL and HIS WORD! They will hate the whore to make her desolate, naked, eat her flesh, and burn her with fire; all in one hour she is judge! The woman is also the great city, the holy city tread under by the Gentiles. Another messenger will warn that the final hour of spiritual Babylon (Babel) has come.

I do not read that the beast is the whore, it can't kill itself? You prove and explain from the Bible that the beast and the whore (woman), are the same!

Peace!

[phkrause]

On 2/15/2020 at 5:38 PM, JoeMo said:

Let's talk about the corona virus explosion. Could this be a crisis that - along with climate change - brings globalization to the stage?  Realistically, this virus will spread across the globe; eventually infecting 60% - 80% of the world's population killing as many as 10% of those infected - mostly the poor and elderly (so they say).

Not sure I understand your asking about "globalization?" Globalization has been with us for a number of years now and is not going to go away!! And just because some don't want to believe in some of the things that are happening all around us doesn't mean are are not true!! Everything that happens some will go over board with and others will take lightly, there seems to be no middle ground. Each entity has an agenda!! Like the Pope latching on to "global warming" and other things to bring about his "Sunday Laws," etc.!! I for one don't let that bather me, if it happens it happens!! Christ tells us to keep our eyes on him, we know that this world is coming to its final days and all craziness will be braking out everywhere. God's angels are still holding that back, but each day or so it seems like it will be anytime, if we are not prepared shame on us!! Anyway talking about the virus, wasn't just a few weeks ago where they said no problem this is not going to go anywhere?? Well obviously it has, and its spread pretty far and wide?? They probably will control this eventually like pretty much all the others that have come, but are not gone, just lurking around!!

[BlessedMan]

22 hours ago, hch said:

Neglecting to hear, to have, and to give the right message at the right time is not the love of Jesus. A mere profession of faith without the corresponding works is dead. While satanic agents misrepresent the issue, redirect attention from Present Truth to nonessential issues, and cast doubt upon those who give the third angel's message its distinct sound,

So far I have not seen you present "the three angels message," anywhere on the forum. One of the reasons one can know this and be disqualified here from your lurid descriptors is that there is "no room at the inn" here for Jesus.  Seems to be far too many "I know and you donts" here.

The thing that we have to realize here; which, apparently, the Pope does not seem to realize, either is that all the things coming upon this world are "hands free" if you will. Not by human hands at all:

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As for the broken horn and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation, but not with its power.
 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, When the transgressors have reached their fullness, A king shall arise, Having fierce features, Who understands sinister schemes.
His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people." (Dan 8:21-23).

Many delude themselves that we can "save the climate," and "control" the next virus, or this virus; we need to look beyond all of these frightening events.

"Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means. (Dan 8:25)

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"Through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand." Rome has been distinguished above all other powers for a policy of craft, by means of which it brought the nations under its control. This is true of both pagan and papal Rome. Thus by peace it destroyed many.
Finally, in the person of one of its governors, Rome stood up against the Prince of princes, by giving sentence of death against Jesus Christ. "But he shall be broken without hands." Uriah Smith

 

[Gregory Matthews]

What is clear is that HCH is not presenting a Biblical teaching.  His message is more from his reading of the newspaper than from the Bible.  However I will grsnt that he has a vivid imagination that exceeds that those of us reading his posts.  He might actually do well as a novelist if he were to chose to write such.

[hch]

1 hour ago, BlessedMan said:

So far I have not seen you present "the three angels message," anywhere on the forum. One of the reasons one can know this and be disqualified here from your lurid descriptors is that there is "no room at the inn" here for Jesus.  Seems to be far too many "I know and you donts" here.

Jesus often asked "How readest thou?"

The difficulty that you are seeing may be with the hearer rather than what is being said.

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Many who went forth to meet the Bridegroom under the messages of the first and second angels, refused the third angel’s message, the last testing message to be given to the world (16MR 269.3).

You may have noticed that many SDA's are shouting the first and second angels' messages, but they refuse to consider that Michael Pence is going to have anything to do with implementing the Mark of the Beast that is linked to the third angel's message. You may also know that those who love Jesus will be sealed with the seal of God while those who profess to love Him and are unwilling to follow Him by faith will take the Mark of the Beast. After the last great testing message has shaken the church to its foundation, it will be known who has stood for Jesus and who has not. Until then the wheat and tares will grow together and the spirit of discernment will be in the eye of the beholder.

[hch]

Sister Marri so far so good

20 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

The ten horns become kings in the future but will receive power as kings one hour with the beast only! These kings have one mind and they give all their power to the beast!

The ten horns were future to John's Day. But are they always future? Does not a point in time arrive when they exist?

20 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

In the future 10 horns fulfilling YAHWEH'S WILL and HIS WORD!

You put in the future what I have shown is in our recent past. You are waiting for something to come that has already been.

Your study was well done.

[hch]

31 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

What is clear is that HCH is not presenting a Biblical teaching.  His message is more from his reading of the newspaper than from the Bible.  However I will grsnt that he has a vivid imagination that exceeds that those of us reading his posts.  He might actually do well as a novelist if he were to chose to write such.

What is clear is that so much tradition is taught a BIBLE that when the real deal is dusted off and laid plain for all to see, the brightness of its glory blinds the mortal eyes that are not accustomed to such amazing sights.

[hch]

On 2/15/2020 at 11:19 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

On every day of the year domething happens.  You seem to me to be looking more to the daily news than to the Bible.

Knowing that the time allotted for the judgment of the living ended on 14 February 2013

and that it was to be in the endtime as it was in the days of Noah (one of my illustrious ancestors),

I naturally compared Noah's 7 days in the ark waiting for it to rain with the 7 years that counted down to 14 February 2020.

And on that very day, the newspapers declared that 2 bomb cyclones merged and the gale struck Iceland and headed toward the UK

For me that reaffirmed that God has a timetable to wrap up the sin problem

And God is moving forward to finish His work.

If it is just a coincidence to you, then it cannot bless your understanding in the least.

So you focus on the trivial and find ways to thrust skeptical barbs

While I offer you a feast from the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy that would bless your hungry soul

But alas the diet is not to your liking and you pass it by as though there is not a famine for the word of God in your future.

[BlessedMan]

26 minutes ago, hch said:

You may have noticed that many SDA's are shouting the first and second angels' messages, but they refuse to consider that Michael Pence is going to have anything to do with implementing the Mark of the Beast that is linked to the third angel's message.

well, as Gregory has stated, you would likely make a great novelist. You can write, fairly well. But as far as said writing being factual, there is much to be desired. "Mike Pence" has got to be one of the strangest "interpretations" I have ever seen regarding end time events.

The thing about this "mark of the beast" is that no one, not even Mr Pence, can force it upon anyone who doesnt want to accept it. Furthermore, anyone who does accept this mark; actually goes out looking for it themselves, they want it, they find it, they accept it. Instead of maligning the public against one man like this, it is more Biblical to accept only what Scripture says regarding these matters.

The Bible describes Satan as one who wanders to and fro over the earth, "seeking whom he may devour," so this makes the Pence idea even less feasible.

The seal of God is almost exactly the same. It cannot be forced upon anyone. people have to choose it. We who purport to know the truth, should know better than to say we can by wit, clever oratory, or intellectual arguments - including doctrines, use any of these to "convince" anyone to "accept Jesus."  A person, in order to accept this "seal of God," must KNOW JESUS by personal experience with Him. (John 14:6, 1 John 1:1-3). Sorry, but your theories here are dry as the hills of Gilboa.

20 minutes ago, hch said:

when the real deal is dusted off and laid plain for all to see, the brightness of its glory blinds the mortal eyes

There is no "brightness or glory" in Mister Pence, nor in anyone of us. This can only be ascribed to Jesus, and thats why scripture tells us that 'the wicked" will be destroyed "by the brightness of His coming. The brightness of Christ and His glory will NOT blind the righteous when He comes. This really, is all about Jesus.

Before the second coming, there will be occassions where people are blinded by the brightness of His glory:

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When the glory was withdrawn, and Saul arose from the ground, he found himself totally deprived of sight. The brightness of Christ's glory had been too intense for his mortal eyes; and when it was removed, the blackness of night settled upon his vision. He believed that this blindness was a punishment from God for his cruel persecution of the followers of Jesus. In terrible darkness he groped about, and his companions, in fear and amazement, "led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus."  {AA 117.3} 

But for the most part, when we see Jesus now; it results in personal, powerful, and winning testimonies - not about Pence, but of Jesus:

 I wish to impress upon you the fact that those who have Jesus abiding in the heart by faith have actually received the Holy Spirit. Every individual who receives Jesus as his personal Saviour just as surely receives the Holy Spirit to be his Counselor, Sanctifier, Guide, and Witness. The more closely the believer walks with God, the clearer his witness, and, as a sure result, the more powerful will be the influence of his testimony upon others of a Saviour's love; the more he will give evidence that he prizes the Word of God. It is his meat, it is his drink, to satisfy the thirsty soul. He prizes the privilege of learning the will of God from His Word. {YRP 118.3} 

hch, I respectfully would suggest that in YOUR prophecies of very "private interpretations,"  we are seeing very little talk about the Savior's love; for most of your interpretations are couched in religious sounding sentiments, that lean heavily upon "predictions," that simply are not in the Bible.

Further, it would seem that from Daniel, chapter 8, we have been given fair warning about not accepting what you are doing:

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"Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means. (Dan 8:25)

"Without human means" is the very key that unlocks all prophetic mysteries. The things we are seeing in our tiring world today are not, for the most part, caused by human hands; nor will they be solved by human hands.

It is deception to attempt to "prophecy"  about Jesus by making Pence the foremost point of our "prophecy"

 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8. {FLB 50.1}

There is one great central truth to be kept ever before the mind in the searching of the Scriptures--Christ and Him crucified. Every other truth is invested with influence and power corresponding to its relation to this theme. . . . The soul palsied by sin can be endowed with life only through the work wrought out upon the cross by the Author of our salvation.  {FLB 50.2} 

To be plain; "Christ and Him crucified" is almost always not included in your "interpretations" of Bible prophecy.

 

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31 minutes ago, hch said:

While I offer you a feast from the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy that would bless your hungry soul

Again, someone here has "I" trouble.  The only "feast" being offered here is of cherrys. As in "cherry-picking."

God's children need  SOLID FOOD:

For everyone who lives on milk is inexperienced in the message of righteousness, because he is an infant. (Heb 5:13)

 

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On 2/16/2020 at 10:39 AM, hch said:

The endtime issue is being deceived by the 666 Mark of the Beast vs being faithful to Jesus (believing the third angel's message).

From studying Scripture, it is possible to understand the Present Truth about the endtime deceivers that will enact, enforce, and propagate the Mark of the Beast.  

On 2/15/2020 at 6:26 PM, B/W Photodude said: I am more concerned regarding the usual influenza virus that go around every year killing on average 19,000 in just the US ...

A little housekeeping here:

HCH: When quoting someone, it is good to stick to the topic of what you quoted! What you wrote had NOTHING to do with concerns regarding the flu!

A correction: The flu death average in the US is 10,000 per year. 19,000 was a typo.

Coronavirus update:

How Bad Is the Coronavirus Outbreak Becoming?

The short answer is, in terms of deaths at least, the current coronavirus outbreak is not as bad as it was initially predicted.

https://www.technologynetworks.com/immunology/articles/how-bad-is-the-coronavirus-outbreak-becoming-330774

Interesting: We have a prototype device tested to try and detect MERS coronavirus infection, but it’s still experimental. We are currently working on proposals to adopt this as fast as possible for use with the current coronavirus outbreak, 2019-nCoV, and SARS” concluded Dr Edwards. They have drawn connections to mers & sars!

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(A bit of thread drift, but the virus has become a bit of a topic!)

This article discusses the naming of the virus which causes the illness and how the scientists are trying to not ruffle feathers between populations. It is unfortunate that certain groups sometimes get blamed for specific illnesses such as the Haitians in the early days of the AIDS epidemic.

Update: ‘A bit chaotic.’ Christening of new coronavirus and its disease name create confusion

That’s how Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, head of the World Health Organization (WHO), introduced the agency’s official name for the new disease that’s paralyzing China and threatening the rest of the world. 

But that’s not a name WHO is happy with, and the agency isn’t planning on adopting it. “From a risk communications perspective, using the name SARS can have unintended consequences in terms of creating unnecessary fear for some populations,

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/bit-chaotic-christening-new-coronavirus-and-its-disease-name-create-confusion