Who's fooling who?

[BlessedMan]

2 hours ago, hch said:

God's people are instructed to proclaim the 3rd angel's message that is the final testing message for the world.

Wrong. This message is impossible to give separate and apart from the other two angel's messages. The three are one whole. And when we do it this way, then Jesus becomes the dominant theme in the prophecy, not all the "beast watch" codswallop.

2 hours ago, hch said:

turning the focus from the message to the messenger is a ploy to look at faulty people and relieve ones self from the duty of examining

This is falsehood and religious incantation. The Bible says to "test all things, hold fast what is good."

2 hours ago, hch said:

Thus, this rejection of truth will imperil one's relationship with Jesus

thing is no one has a "relationship with Jesus" by talking mostly about the Beast and His image." The scriptures do not place a major emphasis on that point at all; infact it is only mentioned parenthetically. Jesus really is the answer; and He is the light of Bible prophecy. It is not "light" to talk about darkness. John 1:29). Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world," it never says "behold the mark of the beast and my "predictions."

Rev 12:11 "they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony" [about that blood applied to their life]

[stinsonmarri]

18 hours ago, hch said:

GM: God's people are instructed to proclaim the 3rd angel's message that is the final testing message for the world. That message is to fear (Love supremely) God and do not take the Mark of the Beast (MOB). It is an all inclusive message about the Mark of the Beast (what that deception involves, which will not begin with Sabbath keeping) and who the beast is that will implement and enforce the MOB. To reject the message that must be proclaimed by faith in the sure word of God sets folks up to be deceived by the beast and his agents. To refuse to examine the details and accept Bible prophecy by faith and to join in the proclamation of the third angel's message is to reject the 3rd angel's message. Thus, this rejection of truth will imperil one's relationship with Jesus. Rejection of the 3rd angel's message is to fail the final test that God is giving the world. And turning the focus from the message to the messenger is a ploy to look at faulty people and relieve ones self from the duty of examining and proclaiming the 3rd angel's message. But the law of consequences states that we will reap what we sow. Sow criticism and doubt and misinformation and reap condemnation. Sow warning and correction in righteousness and reap joy in the morning. Beg people to study with you the facts in a systematic Christian study to be sure the facts are biblically valid and in focus, reap criticism in this life and the joy of being with Jesus in the world made new. 

In the school of life the students in the upper grades help the lower graders with their lessons. The older students point out errors and instruct the under-classemates in how to master various subjects. And the teacher is available for guidance if they run into a problem. But when the fellow students reject the tutor's guidance in spite of the teacher's affirmation that the instruction id correct, they will have to be educated in the school of hard knocks if they will ever get the lessons right.

The last movements will be rapid ones as prophecy meets final events. All ten virgins will know that the Bridegroom is on His way and too many will find out too late that they are unprepared to go into the wedding. Five will find out too late that they failed to receive heaven's oil in their lamps and they failed to keep the light lit. Their vain professions will do them no good when it really matters. 

 

No Scriptures. No Sabbath vs Sunday blue law in the Bible! Show the Scripture? When do a mark become a day what Scriptures proves that?

 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting good news to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Rev 14:6

This is more than three and angels do not preach the Gospel, people of YAHWEH does! This is explaining how the 144,000 received their reward.  It shows they swiftly along with those who woke up from the grave for everlasting life. Dan 12:2 The WORD of YAHSHUA Testimony THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY will spread quickly around the world and the great multitude will be converted and seal. Read the entire Chapter, they are reaping the harvest. The are the one's sitting on the cloud with a crown like Dan 12:3 says teaching the Gospel, healing the sick and raising the dead due to the WRATH of THE LAMB! This is the exact promise YAHSHUA Said would take place. The remnant will finish the work and also will be able to heal and raise the dead!

Happy Sabbath!

[hch]

17 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

This message is impossible to give separate and apart from the other two angel's messages. The three are one whole. And when we do it this way, then Jesus becomes the dominant theme in the prophecy

The first angel's message of the Judgment message was proclaimed 22 October 1844 when we arrived at the beginning of God's Judgment Hour.

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There are many who have been waiting to hear the "certain sound" of the message that would meet the emergency. All over our land the Lord has honest souls, who are standing in uncertainty. The words were spoken: "Repeat the messages in their order. Tell My people to proclaim the message, the binding-off message, that is to proclaim a people for the coming of the King. Give the world a knowledge of the messages of the first, second and third angels. Bind up the law among My disciples. There are many who will listen because men will speak under the influence of the Holy Spirit. You are twenty years behind; but let the warning voice now be heard speaking with the voice of assurance."  {5MR 128.2}  

The First angel's message repeated 14 February 2013 when the Judgment Hour of the Living ended. As did the Second Angel's message when Babylon fell because of her fornication.

17 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

The Bible says to "test all things, hold fast what is good."

If you follow the Bible's counsel, you will have a blessing. But if you deceive yourself to think that you are doing it and do it not you will miss the blessing.

17 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

no one has a "relationship with Jesus" by talking mostly about the Beast and His image."

The third angel's message warns folks to obey Jesus and not the beast. The love of Jesus does not live in denial regarding the identity of the beast while claiming to love Jesus. To love Jesus is to warn humanity of what Jesus teaches. Preaching the love of Jesus while letting people remain in ignorance is hypocrisy. 

[hch]

1 hour ago, stinsonmarri said:

Dan 12:3 says teaching the Gospel, healing the sick and raising the dead due to the WRATH of THE LAMB! This is the exact promise YAHSHUA Said would take place. The remnant will finish the work and also will be able to heal and raise the dead!

Raising the dead should start with raising the sleeping saints from their lethargy that will lead to eternal death if it persists much longer. 

[BlessedMan]

1 hour ago, hch said:

The first angel's message of the Judgment message was proclaimed 22 October 1844 when we arrived at the beginning of God's Judgment Hour.

The First angel's message repeated 14 February 2013 when the Judgment Hour of the Living ended. As did the Second Angel's message when Babylon fell because of her fornication.

If you follow the Bible's counsel, you will have a blessing. But if you deceive yourself to think that you are doing it and do it not you will miss the blessing.

The third angel's message warns folks to obey Jesus and not the beast. The love of Jesus does not live in denial regarding the identity of the beast while claiming to love Jesus. To love Jesus is to warn humanity of what Jesus teaches. Preaching the love of Jesus while letting people remain in ignorance is hypocrisy. 

[BlessedMan]

4 hours ago, hch said:

The first angel's message of the Judgment message was proclaimed 22 October 1844 when we arrived at the beginning of God's Judgment Hour.

The "everlasting gospel" which is The Three Angel's MESSAGE, not messages, has not stopped being preached or witnessed for.  Claiming a message of "the first angel's message" is wrong because its not an intelligeable message, apart from, or isolated from the other two. Nothing in the Bible tells us to separate the three, or to stop preaching it since Oct 22nd

[stinsonmarri]

8 hours ago, hch said:

Raising the dead should start with raising the sleeping saints from their lethargy that will lead to eternal death if it persists much longer. 

You are so confused, and you did not answered the questions given you!

[B/W Photodude]

8 hours ago, hch said:

Raising the dead should start with raising the sleeping saints from their lethargy that will lead to eternal death if it persists much longer. 

Actually, one of the few statements you have made that I agree with! I would refer you and others to a book called "Waking the Dead" by Russell Burrell who wrote on the life cycle of churches and where they are in the cycle. Truly, many are spiritually dead even in the church pews. You should be doing self-assessment frequently to see if you are still alive.

To be clear, people sometimes don't believe God because when He said that when Adam & Eve ate of the tree they would die. But they didn't right then. But spiritually they died right then! Only the life of Jesus abiding in one makes them spiritually alive. Without Jesus abiding in you, you are dead.

[stinsonmarri]

3 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

The "everlasting gospel" which is The Three Angel's MESSAGE, not messages, has not stopped being preached or witnessed for.  Claiming a message of "the first angel's message" is wrong because its not an intelligeable message, apart from, or isolated from the other two. Nothing in the Bible tells us to separate the three, or to stop preaching it since Oct 22nd

Blessed man: It is not how many time the mark of the beast is mention. The writer who wrote it received it from Gabriel, who was Commanded to give it by YAHSHUA! THE FATHER told HIM it was time to give this message. Everything in the Bible is inspired to prepare the remnant to reaped the harvest! Revelation 14:6 John see another angel that flies in the midst of heaven. John is consistently see other angels. We know that THE FATHER Said in Hebrew Chapter 1 that angels are messengers for HIM. But HIS messengers always come from Heaven to the earth. These messengers are flying in the sky having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL! That is the remnant who is receiving their reward for their service. They are standing before THE FATHER, next to THE LAMB. Why is so hard for us not to know that we cannot see that Gabriel who showing John how they were rewarded? It seem so simple!

Happy Sabbath!

[stinsonmarri]

14 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

Actually, one of the few statements you have made that I agree with! I would refer you and others to a book called "Waking the Dead" by Russell Burrell who wrote on the life cycle of churches and where they are in the cycle. Truly, many are spiritually dead even in the church pews. You should be doing self-assessment frequently to see if you are still alive.

To be clear, people sometimes don't believe God because when He said that when Adam & Eve ate of the tree they would die. But they didn't right then. But spiritually they died right then! Only the life of Jesus abiding in one makes them spiritually alive. Without Jesus abiding in you, you are dead.

Their bodies started decaying as well because they aged!

Happy Sabbath!

[hch]

Imagine that the mark of the beast was only mentioned 7 times in the Scriptures.

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The number 7 indicates completeness, and is symbolic of the fact that the messages extend to the end of time, while the symbols used reveal the condition of the church at different periods in the history of the world.  {AA 585.3} 

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The third angel's message is the gospel message for these last days, and in no case is it to be overshadowed by other interests and made to appear an unessential consideration. When in our institutions anything is placed above the third angel's message, the gospel is not there the great leading power.  {CH 524.3}  

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The medical work done in connection with the giving of the third angel's message, is to accomplish wonderful results. It is to be a sanctifying, unifying work, corresponding to the work which the great Head of the church sent forth the first disciples to do.  {CH 540.4}  

Interesting how the timing of final proclamation of the 3rd angel's message is correlating with the COVID-19 crisis. 

[B/W Photodude]

28 minutes ago, hch said:

Interesting how the timing of final proclamation of the 3rd angel's message is correlating with the COVID-19 crisis. 

I am not so sure that Covid has a direct relationship to the 3rd angel's message. There have been many events thru history post 1844 that are as serious as this crisis. I only need mention a few of the past events such as the 1918 pandemic will took 50 million off the earth, the estimated 100 million slaughtered in the various socialist regimes of the 20th century, the wars that have taken untold millions, and so on and so on. For some reason, people have this near-sighted look that makes them want to interpret any current crisis as a direct fulfillment of Scripture. Not saying that Covid is not a crisis and has no part of end time events, but I don't make too much of it either.

I fully expect that it will pass too. The followup will make for a more dismal view of this earth. After 9/11, people got very religious for a while and churches were full. Even though churches are now closed, people have gone back to buying up Bibles and guns. When Covid passes, like the evil spirit cast out of the house, it will return to find a clean house bringing more evil spirits with it. And the people will stray even further from God. Look at the changes that occurred after 9/11. Attitudes of church members changed to greater than 50% now supporting gay marriage. A host of other things have changed since the last "spiritual awakening" passed. What does the future hold for the morals of this world? I fear to contemplate, because I have already seen the beginnings of some terrible movements.

[hch]

1 hour ago, B/W Photodude said:

I am not so sure that Covid has a direct relationship to the 3rd angel's message

Then you do not know where we are in prophetic history.

The Little Time of Trouble has begun and the Time of Jacob's Trouble is not far off. 

It looks like heaven's warnings have been in vain.

[BlessedMan]

1 hour ago, hch said:

Then you do not know where we are in prophetic history.

This is where we are at; and it has little to do with the Covid-19, so called

Says the psalmist: "In the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavilion: in the secret of His tabernacle shall He hide me." Psalm 27:5. Christ has spoken: "Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity." Isaiah 26:20, 21. Glorious will be the deliverance of those who have patiently waited for His coming and whose names are written in the book of life.  {GC 634.1}

Those who exercise but little faith now, are in the greatest danger of falling under the power of Satanic delusions and the decree to compel the conscience. And even if they endure the test, they will be plunged into deeper distress and anguish in the time of trouble, because they have never made it a habit to trust in God. The lessons of faith which they have neglected, they will be forced to learn under a terrible pressure of discouragement.  {GC88 621.3}

[Gregory Matthews]

Perhaps Photodude does not know?  However, you have demonstrated that you know far less than Photodude.   Potodude probably is not perfect in knowledge.  You have a long way to go to reach up to his level.

 

[hch]

11 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Perhaps Photodude does not know?  However, you have demonstrated that you know far less than Photodude.   Potodude probably is not perfect in knowledge.  You have a long way to go to reach up to his level.

 

GM, I'm not going to insult your ignorance or comment  your cocky overconfidence. 

If you would put as much effort in upholding brothers in Christ as you do in tearing me down, you might be a blessing to God's cause.

[BlessedMan]

 

26 minutes ago, hch said:

GM, I'm not going to insult your ignorance or comment  your cocky overconfidence. 

If you would put as much effort in upholding brothers in Christ as you do in tearing me down, you might be a blessing to God's cause.

2Co 10:12  For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Paul criticized the false teachers who were trying to prove their goodness by comparing themselves with others rather than with God's standards. When we compare ourselves with others, we may feel proud because we think we're better. But when we measure ourselves against God's standards, it becomes obvious that we have no basis for pride. Don't worry about other people's accomplishments. Instead, ask yourself: How does my life measure up to what God wants? How does my life compare to that of Jesus Christ?

 

[hch]

4 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

Paul criticized the false teachers

 

To begin your comment  by implying that GM is anything  like the righteous Apostle Paul is a perverted analogy. In MHO, I would compare GM to the leaders in Israel in Jeremiah's day that backed the false teachings of Hananiah the false prophet. To imply that because I did not understand everything correctly at ever step that my studies put me among the false prophets is to forget how God led the pioneers of the SDA Church. They were wrong about Christ Coming in 1843 and 1844, but God led them in spite of their lack of perfect understanding.  You obviously are using a double standard to make your assessments and direct your counsel Thus, since the standard that you implied at the onset of your remarks is faulty, it is evident that you don't have a clue as to who is upholding God in this discussion and who is attempting to justifying himself. Since God knows who is who in this discussion, I will leave it to Him to direct your advise to the appropriate party.

[Gregory Matthews]

Yes, in the history of this denomination leaders have been shown to be false.  Yes, God has led them to truth.  The spiritual life of all of us is progressive.  We all go from error to truth.

 HCH, in your history in this forum, you have continued to demonstrate that your predictions are false.  So, far, your predictions have not been shown to be true.

NOTE: I am aware that you have made some predictions that are so general that they have and will be true.  It is truth that all (except those who are translated at the 2nd Advent) will die at some point in time.  So every prediction that you might make that X will die, will sooner or later be true.

There is a difference between you and I.  If I were to say:  X will happen on April 31,   I would not have any problem with you telling me that I was wrong.  Why/  Because I would never claim that either the Bible taught, or God had inspired me to proclaim that X would happen on April 31.  On the contrary, if you were to tell us that X would happen on April 31, you would also tell us that either the Bible taught such, or that God had led you to tell us such.

Both of us would be wrong to say that X was going to happen on April 31.  X is snot going to happen on April 31.  You have repeatedly been show to be wrong as to what the Bible teaches. Based upon your established patter, why should anyone believe what you may say in the future?

 

[B/W Photodude]

16 hours ago, hch said:

Then you do not know where we are in prophetic history.

The Little Time of Trouble has begun and the Time of Jacob's Trouble is not far off. 

It looks like heaven's warnings have been in vain.

I do not think you know where we are either. Problem is, you set dates for everything and I don't. I also do not believe we have made it to the "Little Time of Trouble" yet. But that is my opinion. 

Here is a chart laying out end time events. I do not set any dates for future events. According to this chart, the "Little Time of Trouble" is not here YET.

[B/W Photodude]

16 hours ago, hch said:

It looks like heaven's warnings have been in vain.

You are confusing yourself with heaven. I won't make the same mistake!

[hch]

1 hour ago, Gregory Matthews said:

HCH, in your history in this forum, you have continued to demonstrate that your predictions are false.

 Is that so?

1 hour ago, Gregory Matthews said:

in your history in this forum, you have continued to demonstrate that your predictions are false

GM if you did not cherry pick and distort the truth you would see things in a different light. These were my tweets before it happened that are in twitters's archives and can be verified.

Pope Benedict XVI has but a very short time left (9/3/11)

#Pope Benedict XVI marks his last year with a Latin America trip that includes a visit to #Cuba (23 March 2012)

With Benedict XVI in his last year,

Who’s going to be the new pope? … (3 April 2012)

Is Pope Benedict going to be pope in 2013? (29 April 2012)

Months ago, I tweeted that pope Benedict XVI is a short timer. Now Vatican power play is news! Y u b last 2 know? (28 May 2012)

If Pope Benedict’s 8th year is really his 7th, his time ends before May 2013 (7 July 2012)

Pope Benedict’s 8th year is really his 7th, because his ascension year was John-Paul II’s last year. Will Benedict XVI’s 7th year B his last (8 August 2012)

Pope #Benedict XVI As I read Daniel’s prophecy, 7’s number of completeness. His ascension year (zero) 2005.

He might last till spring 2013? (30 September 2012)

Pope Benedict announced this morning (Monday February 11, 2013) that he is resigning as of 28 February 2013.

It is clear that I was correct.

I also called Brexit correctly before it happened

It is clear that I explained popes Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, and Benedict XVI and showed how they aligned with the Judgment Hour of the living from 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013. And it is clear that I followed the transition of the papal beast in Revelation 13 to the Earth Beast, America that had 2 horns. And by faith I read God's word to say that horn 1 was Bush II and horn 2 was Obama. The American beast only has 2 horns so by faith Obama had to be America's last president identified in Bible prophecy. "The just shall live by faith"   When Trump came along, it was clear that if the American beast was limited to have 2 horns, the only way he could be in office according to Babylonian tradition was for him to be there less than a year. When his term in office exceeded a year, it was clear that there had to be something in the prophecy that was not understood correctly.

GM, Did you go back to the prophecy to see what was not understood correctly? No. It did not fit your paradigm and you trashed me for persisting to try to understand it.

Duo means 2. The beast now had 3 horns (rulers). Luke 10:1 explained that duo is also translated in Scripture to mean 2 & 2. Thus my understanding grew and I went forward by faith. 2 & 2 are Bush II and Obama AND Trump and ______. Daniel 12:1 states Michael stands for his people. The Spirit of Prophecy states that Michael stood in 1844, but that was not the final fulfillment of Daniel 12:1. The Spirit of prophecy states that Michael stands and the Time of Trouble begins.  It also says that after the Time of Trouble begins; the outpouring of the Holy Spirit will seal God's people who do not take the Mark of the Beast. And then Michael will stand and the 7 Last plagues will fall upon the world. As a student of Bible prophecy, I see that Sister white has Michael standing twice once to begin the Time of Trouble and once to begin the 7 Last Plagues. But on careful investigation, it is clear that Christ only stands once, when He has finished the Judgment in Heaven. Thus searching Daniel more carefully 10:13 declares "Michael is one of the chief princes" and When Bush II became America's president, he fulfilled the endtime final meaning of Daniel 9 to become America's counterfeit prince of the covenant. His title passed to Obama, Trump, and when it passes to Michael Pence, he will be the prince Michael that stands to begin the Time of Trouble.

So GM you can misrepresent truth and trash me with your false witness, but the word of God will not return to Him void: it will accomplish His will. And the wise will understand it. And the wicked will do wickedly, but they will not understand.

Yes there is a difference between those who go forward by faith and those who oppose them all along the way rather than trying to understand and search for truth with them.

[BlessedMan]

5 minutes ago, hch said:

 Is that so?

GM if you did not cherry pick and distort the truth you would see things in a different light. These were my tweets before it happened that are in twitters's archives and can be verified.

 

I know Psychics and mediums that do this sort of "prediction" but they do a much better job.

[B/W Photodude]

10 minutes ago, hch said:

Pope Benedict XVI has but a very short time left (9/3/11)

That was a no brainer. You can say that about anyone who is 84 years old!

While I never "tweeted" it, as there was no Twitter back then, I told most anyone who would listen to me in the 90s that Ratzinger would be the next pope. Of course, I didn't set a date. So, anyone can make prophecies and occasionally hit it right. That is also how you win or lose in Vegas at the bookie joints!

10 minutes ago, hch said:

I also called Brexit correctly before it happened

Nothing original there. Daniel called that one 2500 years ago!

[hch]

21 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

I do not think you know where we are either. Problem is, you set dates for everything and I don't. I also do not believe we have made it to the "Little Time of Trouble" yet. But that is my opinion. 

Here is a chart laying out end time events. I do not set any dates for future events. According to this chart, the "Little Time of Trouble" is not here YET.

Great chart, but it has the Sunday law in the wrong place at the beginning of the Little Time of Trouble.

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And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book (Daniel 12:1).

^{Daniel 10:13}

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But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book (Daniel 12:1).

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“The commencement of that time of trouble,” here mentioned does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the “latter rain,” or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out (EW 85.3).

 

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Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. The nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out (EW 36.1).

Thus, Michael stands the first time after 1844 to begin the Time of Trouble, and a second time when Christ declares “It is finished.” He then puts “on the garments of vengeance” and the seven last plagues begin. Then He Comes to the earth for His saints!  But Jesus does not stand twice and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit happens after Michael Pence stands for his people and before Christ stands for His people to deliver them.