Who's fooling who?

[B/W Photodude]

Illness forces the Pope to cancel an event in Rome a day after showing solidarity with coronavirus sufferers and shaking hands with congregation at weekly audience

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8051083/Pope-cancels-visit-Rome-priests-slight-illness.html

Even if you are the pope, you have to pay attention to the usual precautions.

[stinsonmarri]

20 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

There is a lot of research currently into viruses as cancer killers. I recall many years ago reading an article in Reader's Digest, of all places, regarding one oncologist who noted that many of his patients had reported not getting colds for many years. Numerous other articles I have read since have detailed the research. Seems one researcher noted that cancer cells have a surface protein that viruses are drawn to. Other researchers are looking into pairing chemo with viruses. 

So, whenever I get a cold I just look at it as my annual "tuneup". However, unfortunately not all cancers are the same and it does not follow for all of them that a virus based therapy would work. There is no "magical bullet" to cure all cancers and likely won't be one. But you never know.

And you believe that lie! Wow! What you need to do is to pray because your boy in the Whitehouse got rid of the department of doctors who deal with diseases. I know you will go on a rampage. But, you brought up the virus. There is a person in California who has it and she was not in contact with anyone from overseas! It is here and the stockmarket is falling rapidly. Sin is the problem, YAHWEH send the diseases, HE SAID it and you and others can make unkind statements but it will not matter. Buckle up everyone because we are on a quick eye opener. 

People need to stop playing around with sin and time is running out! Stand back and see YAHWEH move on the affairs of those who has rejected HIS WORD!

Peace!

[B/W Photodude]

3 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

And you believe that lie! Wow!

Like I said, you should have studied a bit more science.

I have had the above clipping regarding viruses and colds for more than twenty years. I keep it as a sort of bookmark. 

3 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

What you need to do is to pray because your boy in the Whitehouse  ...

It is a bit rude to refer to grown men as boys in that fashion. You would be ballistic if Obama was called a "boy".

3 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

I know you will go on a rampage. But, you brought up the virus.

You are the one who goes on rampages.

3 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

YAHWEH send the diseases, HE SAID it and you and others can make unkind statements but it will not matter.

Truth is not unkind. God does not send diseases. You should also study your Bible more

3 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

People need to stop playing around with sin and time is running out!

You may need to look in the mirror.

[BlessedMan]

On 5/17/2019 at 2:44 AM, hch said:

Is there a God? Is He our Creator?

It would be nice if you did talk more about this, rather than bally-hooing about "predictions" and bruiting them into so called "prophecy."  When the Bible talks about prophecy; it always talks about Jesus. Prophecy is "HIS-STORY."

[B/W Photodude]

One of the sad things of having worked in Neuroscience units thru my career in nursing was the folks who came in for surgery to remove glioblastomas in the brain. For those who may not know, glioblastomas are the most deadly form of brain cancers and to live a year after diagnosis is rare. I can only think of one patient ever who made it past a year. When I say remove the tumor, this is only a debulking to give people a bit more time. 

Now we have this disease thought to come from bats over in Africa which is highly contagious and more deadly than coronavirus. Even though there were fears like now, not much came of it. It is still a problem in Africa.

Now they are finding way to use one of these enemies against the other. Snippets of ebola is being used to kill glioblastoma. Understandably, this is still in the mice model, but with promise. 
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/02/25/researchers-use-ebola-to-fight-brain-tumors/
 

[hch]

4 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

It would be nice if you did talk more about this, rather than bally-hooing about "predictions" and bruiting them into so called "prophecy."  When the Bible talks about prophecy; it always talks about Jesus. Prophecy is "HIS-STORY."

Mt 11:16  But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Lu 7:32  They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.

[hch]

What is the relevance/importance of Daniel to a Christian in the 21st century?

Certainly if you spent any time in the SDA adult SS lesson this week, you would be hard pressed to answer that question. From its traditional view with twisted Scriptures and suppositions posing as facts, it did not meet the need of the soul.

Daniel 8 is specifically for the endtimes according to EGW (TM 112.3, 16MR 334.2).

It begins with the kings in Media and Persia. But not so fast. Daniel’s vision saw the ram “pushing” northward and southward, etc. So when the interpreters say “the horns ARE…” they forsake the vision and go to meddling. Based on the vision the text should say “the horns pushing toward…” Putting the interpretation in context of the vision, that would mean something to us today.

From a study of Daniel: This is what Daniel 8 means (and it is begins by understanding Daniel 7:17):

7:17 the 4 sea-beasts are ignored and Heaven explains that the endtime meaning of the prophecy relates to 4 kings from the earth. Rev 13 explains that the earth power is the USA

Thus, 4 kings from the earth are 4 American Presidents. They are Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. When the prophecy in Daniel 7 gets to Bush II, the prophecy in Revelation 13 transitions from the first beast (papacy) during the reign of the 7th head in the post 1929 healed papacy, Benedict XVI to the second beast from the prophetic earth that has duo horns.

Daniel 8:20-22 identifies horns as kings. The duo lamblike horns on the earth-beast are not Protestantism and Republicanism. Those are the characteristics of the horns not their symbolic meaning. The duo horns in Rev 13 are like the duo in Luke 10:1 when Jesus sent them out duo by “two and two.” Thus, the lamblike horns are 2 & 2 American Presidents: Bush II & Obama and Trump & Michael Pence.

Back to Dan 8. President Bush II and Obama are the horns on the ram that “pushed toward Media and Persia.” King Darius the Mede reigned in Babylon. King Cyrus was the Persian. Bush II pushed toward Iraq (Babylon…Saddam Hussein) and Obama pushed toward Iran (Persia…Iran nuclear deal).

When Trump was elected, he trampled Bush II and Obama’s legacy. He became the great horn that is to be broken. When Trump is broken the 4 notable ones in America are 1) Senate 2 House of Representatives, 3 Supreme court, and 4) executive branch. When Trump is broken, out of one of the executive branch of Government President Pence will arise. He will become the last little horn that waxes great toward Israel and toward the Prince of the hosts (all the way until Christ comes). More can and will be said about this after 2 April 2020.

Thus, the little time of Trouble has begun. COVID-19 is becoming a plague
and Stock market loosing 4000 points is less than 2 weeks

Remember Daniel 12:1 Michael stands.
Jesus stood in 1844 to confess the names of the dead saints before His father and His angels.
That was a partial fulfillment of prophecy but not the complete final fulfillment.
Michael stands again.
Michael stands to begin the Time of Trouble.

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Let all read and understand the prophecies of this book, for we are now entering upon the time of trouble spoken of: “ *And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time…” [Daniel 12:1-4] (13MR 394.2).

The commencement of that time of trouble,” here mentioned does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the “latter rain,” or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come, to give power to the loud voice of the third angel, and prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out (EW 85.3).

And Michael (Jesus) stands to begin the 7 last plagues.

Michael had not stood up, and that the time of trouble, such as never was, had not yet commenced. The nations are now getting angry, but when our High Priest has finished His work in the sanctuary, He will stand up, put on the garments of vengeance, and then the seven last plagues will be poured out (EW 36.1).

But Jesus only stands once more at the end of the Investigative Judgment when it is done!

Jesus ceases His intercession in the sanctuary above. He lifts His hands and with a loud voice says, “It is done;” and all the angelic host lay off their crowns as He makes the solemn announcement: “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” Revelation 22:11. Every case has been decided for life or death. Christ has made the atonement for His people and blotted out their sins. The number of His subjects is made up; “the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,” is about to be given to the heirs of salvation, and Jesus is to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords (GC 613.2).

Daniel 10:13 is endtime specific as well
It explains that Michael is “one of the chief princes”
The other chief prince in the endtime is Michael Pence.
It is Pence who stands to begins the Time of trouble
Shortly after that the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit brings the latter rain
Then Jesus stands to end the sin problem and the 7 last plagues climax.

The wise will understand (Dan 12:10)
The people who reject knowledge will be destroyed (Hosea 4:1-6)
And the 666 Mark of the beast will accompany
the sealing of the saints and sealing the doom of the wicked (Rev 13:18)

This is how Daniel 8 is relevant to 21st century Christians.

This material is from the book “The Last Trump Shall Sound: Michael stands, pub 2020”

[Gregory Matthews]

I wonder:   Will HCH count the teeth in the beast, and who will he say each tooth represents?  Will he tell us that the beast has 50 teeth and each tooth represents a Governor of a US State?   Perhaps he will relate each tooth to a SDA leader.   Or, maybe the teeth could represent people here in this forum--Stan could be the wisdom tooth.  Which tooth would I be?

On a more serious note;  When you begin to understand the Bible by reading the newspaper, there is no end to where you could go.  You have no boundaries. 

[B/W Photodude]

3 hours ago, hch said:

Certainly if you spent any time in the SDA adult SS lesson this week, you would be hard pressed to answer that question. From its traditional view with twisted Scriptures and suppositions posing as facts, it did not meet the need of the soul.

Another person accusing others of twisting Scripture. However, much of your prophecies are of private interpretation and a twisting of Scripture. Seriously?! You are going to make Michael Pence a major player in Bible prophecy?

3 hours ago, hch said:

Thus, the little time of Trouble has begun. COVID-19 is becoming a plague
and Stock market loosing 4000 points is less than 2 weeks.

How little people understand the stock market. There are people who make bundles of money when it goes up and when it goes down. I tend to see corrections as we are now seeing as just another way for some to pull the wealth out of the market into their own pockets. It will be back up. We are not to the day yet when people will throw their "gold" into the streets. (That day has come to Venezuala)

3 hours ago, hch said:

Shortly after that the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit brings the latter rain.

So, what is the difference between the out poring of the Holy Spirit and the latter rain?

3 hours ago, hch said:

And Michael (Jesus) stands to begin the 7 last plagues.

But Jesus only stands once more at the end of the Investigative Judgment when it is done.

More confusion. the 7 last plagues to be poured out on the wicked cannot occur until the IJ is over. Those two events are probably one and the same, but where does it say in Scripture, not in your head, that Jesus stands to begin the seven last plagues.

Now we can bring this virus topic and HCHs strange prophecy together!Many of the end times events such as the current coronavirus pestilence is not a last plague but God releasing the devil to do his work in the world. And the devil will even sometimes provide his own solutions. However, not saying the following is a devil's solutions, but more like the blessings of God that are still coming to the earth thru His people the Jews:

ISRAEL, a blessing to the nations! Amazing how this tiny state is able to produce a cure quicker than all the superpowers in the world! Pray the clinical trials are quick and successful!

If you love this good news from the land of Israel, like and share! ??

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101

[hch]

51 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

ISRAEL, a blessing to the nations! Amazing how this tiny state is able to produce a cure quicker than all the superpowers in the world! Pray the clinical trials are quick and successful!

Israel's 70 years of service is up this year. Judgment will be visited upon Israel soon. Might even link to the trouble in Turkey this morning? But Laodiceans will be Laodiceans. They will not grow when knowledge increases. They will not stay close to Jesus. Hence, when He moves from light to more light, they will be in darkness, become a bad taste in Christ's mouth and they will reap what they have sown.

I have wept, and prayed, and cared and shared.

But the shaking must come and that which is founded on truth is all that will stand.

"Joy to the world, the Lord will come!"

[BlessedMan]

5 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

I wonder:   Will HCH count the teeth in the beast, and who will he say each tooth represents?  Will he tell us that the beast has 50 teeth and each tooth represents a Governor of a US State?   Perhaps he will relate each tooth to a SDA leader.   Or, maybe the teeth could represent people here in this forum--Stan could be the wisdom tooth.  Which tooth would I be?

On a more serious note;  When you begin to understand the Bible by reading the newspaper, there is no end to where you could go.  You have no boundaries. 

and here I am, thinking the book of Daniel is about Jesus. :)

[BlessedMan]

8 hours ago, hch said:

Thus, the little time of Trouble has begun. COVID-19 is becoming a plague
and Stock market loosing 4000 points is less than 2 weeks

you mean its becoming propaganda.

[BlessedMan]

6 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

How little people understand the stock market. There are people who make bundles of money when it goes up and when it goes down. I tend to see corrections as we are now seeing as just another way for some to pull the wealth out of the market into their own pockets. It will be back up. We are not to the day yet when people will throw their "gold" into the streets. (That day has come to Venezuala)

Its time to fight the corona virus, so called, by first defunding the United Nations. As this "disease" allegedly spreads to more and more people, the UN leads out in their so called "response" and saying that "we must not be 'racial' in our response." BUT IF any disease comes from any country, that is dangerous to all other people; we need to take that "fearless moral inventory" and acknowledge what happened, where and why.

Hasnt anyone else wondered why on earth no one that is a) a political leader, b) a rich/famous person, or c) part of world-wide organizations, are not getting this disease? How come nobody is asking why its ok to "evacuate" say, "Canadian citizens," from Wuhan, and expect that the "virus" will somehow, magically, not spread to the rest of Canada, or to other parts of the world by said evacuees? How did they guarantee that no one would catch what they had on those planes?

The UN seems more interested in what they are calling "solidarity" with China, rather than going straight for the main vein of cause & cure. They should be defunded immediately and held accountable for what they havent done.

The director general of the World Health Organization, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, warned on Saturday.

“The greatest enemy we face is not the virus itself; it’s the stigma that turns us against each other.”

If its even half true what we are hearing, about China and this virus, then the UN & WHO are manifesting crimes against humanity by  talking about "solidarity" rather than saving people's lives by acknowledging the cause of this whole thing.

I would be willing to bet this "solidarity" has something to do with economics. If you have a little science under your belt, consider this enclosed abstract from a scientific study. Consider the economic implications for the few that have more, that the many who have less, will get less. I have enclosed a link to where the entire full text of study can be accessed.

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Abstract

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection represents one of the major health threats in the developing world. The costly treatment of infected individuals with multiple highly efficient anti-HIV drugs is only affordable in industrialized countries. Thus, an efficient vaccination strategy is required to prevent the further spread of the infection. The molecular biology of coronaviruses and particular features of the human coronavirus 229E (HCoV 229E) indicate that HCoV 229E-based vaccine vectors can become a new class of highly efficient vaccines. First, the receptor of HCoV 229E, human aminopeptidase N (hAPN or CD13) is expressed mainly on human dendritic cells (DCs) and macrophages indicating that targeting of HCoV 229E-based vectors to professional antigen presenting cells can be achieved by receptor-mediated transduction. Second, HCoV 229E structural genes can be replaced by multiple transcriptional units encoding various antigens. These virus-like particles (VLPs) containing HCoV 229E-based vector RNA have the ability to transduce human DCs and to mediate heterologous gene expression in these cells. Finally, coronavirus infections are associated with mainly respiratory and enteric diseases, and natural transmission of coronaviruses occurs via mucosal surfaces. In humans, HCoV 229E causes common cold by infecting the upper respiratory tract. HCoV 229E infections are mainly encountered in children and re-infection occurs frequently in adults. It is thus most likely that pre-existing immunity against HCoV 229E will not significantly impact on the vaccination efficiency if HCoV 229E-based vectors are used in humans. FULL TEXT

 

Do I smell a global tax grab coming up for "global health" concerns? Or, will it be that  price-tag hovering over "vaccine" for the "emergency" that is wafting through the air?  A vaccine that has all the markers of being deadly and/or unpredictable? That will make BILLIONS for a select few.

If this "disease" is so under control, why doesn't the WHO, in all their "solidarity"  move their health headquartes to Wuhan? As a matter of social justice? Here is a little info on the global tax grab I mentioned:

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High Level Taskforce on International Innovative Financing for Health Systems: Report released

29 MAY 2009 | PARIS - The report of the Taskforce on International Innovative Financing for Health Systems, co-chaired by Gordon Brown, UK Prime Minister and Robert Zoellick, President of the World Bank, was completed on 29th May at the third Taskforce meeting held in Paris. All Taskforce members agreed to a final report and set of recommendations that includes a range of innovative financing options that countries and other stakeholders can choose to support.

High Level Taskforce on International Innovative Financing for Health Systems: Report released

29 MAY 2009 | PARIS - The report of the Taskforce on International Innovative Financing for Health Systems, co-chaired by Gordon Brown, UK Prime Minister and Robert Zoellick, President of the World Bank, was completed on 29th May at the third Taskforce meeting held in Paris. All Taskforce members agreed to a final report and set of recommendations that includes a range of innovative financing options that countries and other stakeholders can choose to support. SOURCE

 

Download the full, five page report Here (from 2009)

And while you are reading that report, consider for even a moment, why on earth The World Bank President, Robert Zoellick is therein involved? While this  report was done in 2009, I predict there will be, and is now, a much renewed interest in said global "healthcare" taxes. Looks more like yet another grab at national sovereignty that will go unnoticed by the suffering masses. You could do your own research by going to the WHO website here.   There are many other sites with resources; but please, dont believe everything you see out there, just "because its on the internet."

Of particular, and more immediate concern to the church at large might be Recommendation 6, from said report:

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Strengthen the capacity of governments to secure better performance and investment from private, faith-based, community, NGO and other non-state actors in the health sector. SOURCE

When in difficulty, philosophers and men of science try to satisfy their minds without appealing to God. They ventilate their philosophy in regard to the heavens and the earth, accounting for plagues, pestilences, epidemics, earthquakes, and famines by their supposed science. Questions relating to creation and providence they attempt to solve by saying, This is a law of nature.  {CT 440.2}

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 "And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet." Prior to the destruction of Jerusalem, men wrestled for the supremacy. Emperors were murdered. Those supposed to be standing next the throne were slain. There were wars and rumors of wars. "All these things must come to pass," said Christ, "but the end [of the Jewish nation as a nation] is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." Christ said, As the rabbis see these signs, they will declare them to be God's judgments upon the nations for holding in bondage His chosen people. They will declare that these signs are the token of the advent of the Messiah. Be not deceived; they are the beginning of His judgments. The people have looked to themselves. They have not repented and been converted that I should heal them. The signs that they represent as tokens of their release from bondage are signs of their destruction.  {DA 628.3} 

"The beginning of sorrows" is upon us. Its not "coming soon." Its here now.

[hch]

17 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

you mean its becoming propaganda.

Our fight is against sin. The flesh is at war with the Holy Spirit. The devil is seeking to entangle us in the world so much so that we will not be ready to meet Jesus when He comes. Our money that should be used to save souls will testify against us. Our influence that should have upheld the hands of God's servants in finishing the work will bear its testimony. And when we are weighed in the balance by God, will there be enough of the love of Jesus in us to recommend us to be in His presence for eternity?

[JoeMo]

21 hours ago, BlessedMan said:

Hasnt anyone else wondered why on earth no one that is a) a political leader, b) a rich/famous person, or c) part of world-wide organizations, are not getting this disease?

So far, two senior Iranian officials have come down with the disease; and one of China's top medical officials has died from it.

[BlessedMan]

1 hour ago, JoeMo said:

So far, two senior Iranian officials have come down with the disease; and one of China's top medical officials has died from it.

I knew that - guess you missed the point

[stinsonmarri]

On 2/27/2020 at 9:28 PM, B/W Photodude said:

Like I said, you should have studied a bit more science.

I have had the above clipping regarding viruses and colds for more than twenty years. I keep it as a sort of bookmark. 

It is a bit rude to refer to grown men as boys in that fashion. You would be ballistic if Obama was called a "boy".

You are the one who goes on rampages.

Truth is not unkind. God does not send diseases. You should also study your Bible more

You may need to look in the mirror.

So, that make you wiser than YAHWEH!

 Pestilence means a deadly and overwhelming disease that affects an entire community. Vocabulary.com The organism that causes plague. Mayo Clinic Two main causes of disease are Immediate cause and Contributory cause: Immediate cause are the organisms that enter our body and cause disease. For Example, viruses, protozoa, bacteria. Contributory causes: These are the secondary factors which lead these organisms to enter our body. Toppr.com

And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so, there were lice upon man, and upon beast. Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, this is THE FINGER of ELOHIYM, and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as YAHWEH had said. Ex 8:18, 19 

Lice are obligate parasites, living externally on warm-blooded hosts. When lice start living in hair, they also start to lay eggs, or nits. Lice can survive up to 30 days on a person's head and can lay eight eggs a day. Lice attach their nits to pieces of hair, close to the scalp.

Else, if thou wilt not let my people go, behold, I will send swarms of flies upon thee, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thy houses: and the houses of the Egyptians shall be full of swarms of flies, and also the ground whereon they are. Ex 8:21 

Insects (mosquitoes, lice, fleas, bed bugs) and ticks are able to transmit a number of diseases caused by infectious agents: viruses (chikungunya virus, yellow fever, dengue fever, etc.), bacteria (Lyme disease, plague, etc.), parasites (malaria, sleeping sickness, leishmaniasis, filariasis, etc.). Mosquitoes are flies!

And it shall become small dust in all the land of Egypt and shall be a boil breaking forth with blisters upon man, and upon beast, throughout all the land of Egypt. Ex 9:9 

Boil: A skin abscess that forms at a hair follicle infected with pus-forming bacteria. The main treatments include hot packs and draining (lancing) the boil when it is soft. Antibiotics are usually not very helpful in treating boils. A person who has a fever or long-term illness, such as cancer or diabetes, or is taking medications that suppress the immune system should contact a health care practitioner on developing a boil. Also known as furuncle.

If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this Law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this HONORABLE and FEARFUL NAME, YAHWEH thy ELOHIYM;  then YAHWEH will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. Moreover, HE will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. Also, every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this Law, them will Yahweh bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. Deut 28:58-61

I will say of YAHWEH, HE is my Refuge and my Fortress: my ELOHIYM; in HIM will I Trust. Surely, HE shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. HE shall cover thee with HIS Feathers, and under HIS Wings shalt thou trust: HIS Truth shall be thy shield and buckler. Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Psa 91:2—8

He that is far off shall die of the pestilence; and he that is near shall fall by the sword; and he that remaineth and is besieged shall die by the famine: thus will I accomplish MY FURY upon them. Ezekiel 6:12

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Mat 24:7 

And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.  Luke 21:11 

While you are providing all the scientist documents who have not created any living thing, I give you YAHWEH, THE MOST HIGH; YAHSHUA, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE COMFORTER! THE CREATORS of THE UNIVERSE!. THEY can create and THEY can destroy. Antidiluvian people did not believer and today don't either. But soon you will see the Judgment of YAHWEH due to unbelief!

Happy Sabbath and praises for THE FATHER, THE MOST!

[stinsonmarri]

On 2/28/2020 at 2:15 PM, BlessedMan said:

Its time to fight the corona virus, so called, by first defunding the United Nations. As this "disease" allegedly spreads to more and more people, the UN leads out in their so called "response" and saying that "we must not be 'racial' in our response." BUT IF any disease comes from any country, that is dangerous to all other people; we need to take that "fearless moral inventory" and acknowledge what happened, where and why.

Hasnt anyone else wondered why on earth no one that is a) a political leader, b) a rich/famous person, or c) part of world-wide organizations, are not getting this disease? How come nobody is asking why its ok to "evacuate" say, "Canadian citizens," from Wuhan, and expect that the "virus" will somehow, magically, not spread to the rest of Canada, or to other parts of the world by said evacuees? How did they guarantee that no one would catch what they had on those planes?

The UN seems more interested in what they are calling "solidarity" with China, rather than going straight for the main vein of cause & cure. They should be defunded immediately and held accountable for what they havent done.

The director general of the World Health Organization, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, warned on Saturday.

“The greatest enemy we face is not the virus itself; it’s the stigma that turns us against each other.”

If its even half true what we are hearing, about China and this virus, then the UN & WHO are manifesting crimes against humanity by  talking about "solidarity" rather than saving people's lives by acknowledging the cause of this whole thing.

I would be willing to bet this "solidarity" has something to do with economics. If you have a little science under your belt, consider this enclosed abstract from a scientific study. Consider the economic implications for the few that have more, that the many who have less, will get less. I have enclosed a link to where the entire full text of study can be accessed.

Do I smell a global tax grab coming up for "global health" concerns? Or, will it be that  price-tag hovering over "vaccine" for the "emergency" that is wafting through the air?  A vaccine that has all the markers of being deadly and/or unpredictable? That will make BILLIONS for a select few.

If this "disease" is so under control, why doesn't the WHO, in all their "solidarity"  move their health headquartes to Wuhan? As a matter of social justice? Here is a little info on the global tax grab I mentioned:

Download the full, five page report Here (from 2009)

And while you are reading that report, consider for even a moment, why on earth The World Bank President, Robert Zoellick is therein involved? While this  report was done in 2009, I predict there will be, and is now, a much renewed interest in said global "healthcare" taxes. Looks more like yet another grab at national sovereignty that will go unnoticed by the suffering masses. You could do your own research by going to the WHO website here.   There are many other sites with resources; but please, dont believe everything you see out there, just "because its on the internet."

Of particular, and more immediate concern to the church at large might be Recommendation 6, from said report:

When in difficulty, philosophers and men of science try to satisfy their minds without appealing to God. They ventilate their philosophy in regard to the heavens and the earth, accounting for plagues, pestilences, epidemics, earthquakes, and famines by their supposed science. Questions relating to creation and providence they attempt to solve by saying, This is a law of nature.  {CT 440.2}

"The beginning of sorrows" is upon us. Its not "coming soon." Its here now.

Blessed Man, do you truly think that defunding United Nation is going to change "The beginning of sorrows" that you clearly stated that it is here now? I cannot understand why we all do not see that YAHSHUA clearly warn us what will take place before the Time of Trouble begins! The beginning of sorrows is the shaken period. Trials and sorrow are for the one who know the truth. The ten virgins have awaken and either you have the oil or you don't! Shaken time is the foolish virgins are not ready, they do not have any oil and they are will be shaken out of the fold. This is the time of Ezekiel Chapter nine! Not the way the Shepard Rod's falsely predicted. Those slayer angels are commission to go to those who know about all of the Commandments and the Testimony of YASHUA which HE is THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY starting from Gen 3:15 to Rev 12:17. THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY is HIS STORY, I being saying that for years! Then you said it! These slaying angels are here to slay by seperating women, children, men who are rejecting the truth.

If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this Law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this HONORABLE and FEARFUL NAME, YAHWEH thy ELOHIYM. Deut 28:58

You start with fearing HIS TRUE NAME! We get upset if someone don't respect our name but it alright to change HIS NAME! We are more concern about the UN or politics and what scientist think they know instead of the signs that the Bible said would be the beginning of sorrow! It is hear now and judgment of pestilence is here. Why because of climate change and the earth is so polluted! YAHWEH is seperating and we don't even know it. Those who will obey exactly like the Bible says will learn more and more and prepare and along with the harvest when the Time of Trouble is over, to go out and meet HIM! The 1,335 days of Daniel!

Blessings!

 

[hch]

Maybe someone will be blessed if I spell out the message another way?

Jeremiah stated God gave the kingdom to King Nebuchadnezzar, his son (Evil-Merodach), and his son’s son (Belshazzar).

Daniel 2 in its initial fulfillment is Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylonian dynasty. And the focus of the end of the chapter is the “days of these kings” which indicates that the vision related to kings.

Daniel 7 began with sea-beasts that rightly depicted the 4 great kingdoms. But Heaven’s interpretation use the sea-beasts to focus on 4 endtime kings from the earth (7:17).
Rev 13 identifies the prophetic earth as the USA. Daniel 7:23 makes it clear that Daniel is speaking about the prophetic earth and the WHOLE EARTH.

For 4 kings to come from the prophetic earth, they are 4 American Presidents that align with the idol in Daniel 2.

Head of gold= Reagan Reaganomics
Silver chest = Bush I
Bronze midsection = Clinton (midsection nearly got him tossed out of office)
Iron leg = Bush II

1844 Judgment Hour identified in Dan 7
After the Judgment hour the little papal horn spoke great things = Pope John-Paul II
he aligns with the Presidents identified in the image in Dan 2 thus far.

John-Paul II spoke great things when he called God a liar 31 May 1998

Dan 7 and Rev 13 cover same prophecy
John-Paul II died 42 months after 9/11/01

Pope Benedict XVI was the 7th head on the papal beast
When he resigned the focus of Rev 13 transitioned from papal beast to earth-beast

The earth-beast had duo horns
DUO in Luke 10:1 is by “two and 2”
Thus horns are kings as per Dan 8:20-22
The American kings/presidents on the earth-beast were:
Bush II, Obama, Trump and soon to be Pence

Returning to the idol in Dan 2
Iron leg = Bush II
second Iron leg= Obama
foot of iron and clay = Trump (mixing churchcraft with statecraft)
second foot of iron and clay = Pence (mixing churchcraft with statecraft)
Christ’s Advent, the Rock strikes the image on its feet

Daniel 8 shows the American Presidents Bush II and Obama as 2 horns on the ram
Trump tramples them and becomes great
Trump is broken
When he is broken the kingdom (America) has 4 ruling powers:
The Senate, the House, The supreme Court, and the Presidency without a president
Out of one of these notable ones (presidential branch) Mike Pence arises
President Pence becomes great toward the south and Israel
President Pence stands against Christ by implementing the 666 Mark of the Beast
when he stands for his people to commence the Time of Trouble Dan 12:1
The latter rain come
Then Jesus stands for His people to deliver them Daniel 12:1

The days in which we live are solemn and important. The Spirit of God is gradually but surely being withdrawn from the earth. Plagues and judgments are already falling upon the despisers of the grace of God. The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude. The agencies of evil are combining their forces, and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones.–Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 11.

[stinsonmarri]

7 hours ago, hch said:

Maybe someone will be blessed if I spell out the message another way?

Jeremiah stated God gave the kingdom to King Nebuchadnezzar, his son (Evil-Merodach), and his son’s son (Belshazzar).

Daniel 2 in its initial fulfillment is Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylonian dynasty. And the focus of the end of the chapter is the “days of these kings” which indicates that the vision related to kings.

Daniel 7 began with sea-beasts that rightly depicted the 4 great kingdoms. But Heaven’s interpretation use the sea-beasts to focus on 4 endtime kings from the earth (7:17).
Rev 13 identifies the prophetic earth as the USA. Daniel 7:23 makes it clear that Daniel is speaking about the prophetic earth and the WHOLE EARTH.

For 4 kings to come from the prophetic earth, they are 4 American Presidents that align with the idol in Daniel 2.

Head of gold= Reagan Reaganomics
Silver chest = Bush I
Bronze midsection = Clinton (midsection nearly got him tossed out of office)
Iron leg = Bush II

1844 Judgment Hour identified in Dan 7
After the Judgment hour the little papal horn spoke great things = Pope John-Paul II
he aligns with the Presidents identified in the image in Dan 2 thus far.

John-Paul II spoke great things when he called God a liar 31 May 1998

Dan 7 and Rev 13 cover same prophecy
John-Paul II died 42 months after 9/11/01

Pope Benedict XVI was the 7th head on the papal beast
When he resigned the focus of Rev 13 transitioned from papal beast to earth-beast

The earth-beast had duo horns
DUO in Luke 10:1 is by “two and 2”
Thus horns are kings as per Dan 8:20-22
The American kings/presidents on the earth-beast were:
Bush II, Obama, Trump and soon to be Pence

Returning to the idol in Dan 2
Iron leg = Bush II
second Iron leg= Obama
foot of iron and clay = Trump (mixing churchcraft with statecraft)
second foot of iron and clay = Pence (mixing churchcraft with statecraft)
Christ’s Advent, the Rock strikes the image on its feet

Daniel 8 shows the American Presidents Bush II and Obama as 2 horns on the ram
Trump tramples them and becomes great
Trump is broken
When he is broken the kingdom (America) has 4 ruling powers:
The Senate, the House, The supreme Court, and the Presidency without a president
Out of one of these notable ones (presidential branch) Mike Pence arises
President Pence becomes great toward the south and Israel
President Pence stands against Christ by implementing the 666 Mark of the Beast
when he stands for his people to commence the Time of Trouble Dan 12:1
The latter rain come
Then Jesus stands for His people to deliver them Daniel 12:1

The days in which we live are solemn and important. The Spirit of God is gradually but surely being withdrawn from the earth. Plagues and judgments are already falling upon the despisers of the grace of God. The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude. The agencies of evil are combining their forces, and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones.–Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 11.

First, Belshazzar was Nebuchadnezzar’s grandson:

The name of Belshazzar has been deciphered in inscriptions found at Babylon, from which it is inferred that he was associated with his father in the kingdom, and was left to defend Babylon. He was therefore a grandson of Nebuchadnezzar, the word “father,” Dan_5:11, being used in the sense of “ancestor.” F. B. Meyer, B.A.

Nebuchadnezzar was "father" of Belshazzar in the biblical sense that David is called "father" of Jesus, Luk_1:32. Belshazzar was probably a grandson. Scofield Reference Bible Notes

His father Nebuchadnezzar — that is, his forefather. So “Jesus ... the son of David, the son of Abraham” (Mat_1:1). Daniel does not say that the other kings mentioned in other writers did not reign between Belshazzar and Nebuchadnezzar, namely, Evil-merodach (Jer_52:31), Neriglissar, his brother-in-law, and Laborasoarchod (nine months). Berosus makes Nabonidus, the last king, to have been one of the people, raised to the throne by an insurrection. As the inscriptions show that Belshazzar was distinct from, and joint king with, him, this is not at variance with Daniel, whose statement that Belshazzar was son (grandson) of Nebuchadnezzar is corroborated by Jeremiah (Jer_27:7). Their joint, yet independent, testimony, as contemporaries, and having the best means of information, is more trustworthy than any of the heathen historians, if there were a discrepancy. Evil-merodach, son of Nebuchadnezzar (according to Berosus), reigned but a short time (one or two years), having, in consequence of his bad government, been dethroned by a plot of Neriglissar, his sister’s husband; hence Daniel does not mention him. At the elevation of Nabonidus as supreme king, Belshazzar, the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar, was doubtless suffered to be subordinate king and successor, in order to conciliate the legitimate party. Thus the seeming discrepancy becomes a confirmation of genuineness when cleared up, for the real harmony must have been undersigned. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary

Through the folly and weakness of Belshazzar, the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar, proud Babylon was soon to fall. Admitted in his youth to a share in kingly authority, Belshazzar gloried in his power and lifted up his heart against the God of heaven. Many had been his opportunities to know the divine will and to understand his responsibility of rendering obedience thereto. He had known of his grandfather's banishment, by the decree of God, from the society of men; and he was familiar with Nebuchadnezzar's conversion and miraculous restoration. But Belshazzar allowed the love of pleasure and self-glorification to efface the lessons that he should never have forgotten. PK p. 522

It appears with your great love of EGW quotes, it seem so surprizing that you would miss this! You are so far off with your information because you like Baalim have left the truth. You are caught up in fables and I guess you didn't know that YAHWEH is in control. A miracle happen last night and people were schock. A man won last night without having any money, no people in the field in every state. How he won because he knew people and had a good heart. He is a Catholic, but he is man that truly stands for what THE MOST HIGH is all about, unification and morality. You see there a spiritual minded people that are not in the SDA church! YAHWEH see all of those who truly believe HIM, HIS SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT. HE has others that are not of this fold and knows all the truth yet! This man is the one who have been knock down many times. He lost his first wife and daughter, later he lost his son from a tumor in the brain just like Senator McCain. When all is said and done we are in the time of the shaking. This is the sealing time found in Eze Chapter nine. We see the abomination that has been taking place out in the open. Some SDA who should be standing up for justice and truth are doing the opposite, hating others for no unjust reason. Blaming everyone else for their woes. Allowing immorality and power to take over and denying THE ALMIGHTY ONES! 

YAHSHUA said:

 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this good news of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mat 24:7-14 

I would suggest that this Scripture is talking about what is happening now. I could break it down base on the Greek and not the English but I would everyone to please do so yourself. This is not the Time of Trouble, this is what it state the beginning of sorrow. The KJV and the other versions did not understand that the implication base on the Greek was not meaning nation but one race, power hatred, a false prophet of many afflicted others. Many over time has died for YAHSHUA but this death is particular to prejudice that is taking place today. Locking people children in cages, people and their children have died or killed. The lack of love is clearly seen today! Satan wanted to break the prophecy of the lamb-like horn who will produce a false prophet very soon that will work miracles. In order for this to happen people will unite together here in USA. While this happening the slayers will slay both young and old, women and children and they will spare not any of those who profess to know THE MOST HIGH! They will not know that that their names are removed from the Book of Life and the true remnant will be sealed. 

The millenium today do not want to hear about church because of all the lies of their parents. These so call church folks have showed their true self and have push their children away. People today want to leave church and they feel being good is doing their own thing. People want order because many African Americans show this week how to serve YAHWEH the best they know how and that is love and loyalty. It united all ethnic groups together. The Harvest is becoming ripe and the remnant must be seal. What happen this week was a real movement of love for one another regardless of party. Stand still and watch how YAHWEH moves! THE ALMIGHTY ONES Moves with great power that cannot be stop! Choose whom you will serve the time is now! You can come and say hateful things or stand together here and allow THE HOLY SPIRIT show you the Truth and the Light. The decision is yours!

Henry please, I plea with you ask YAHWEH for forgiveness before it is too late!

Blessing to all on this forum!

[hch]

I have been silent for a while. Now we will see if I have been reading Bible prophecy correctly.

Here is my Michael Pence 2 April 2020 video FYI:

 

[Gregory Matthews]

In the beginning of the video, HCH states that VP Pence will be President by April 2, 2020.  As I write this, April 2, will come one hour and 18 minutes from now.

 

We shall see:  Perhaps this will happen.  No one knows.  But, regardless of whether or not it happens, we can be certain that HCH did not get this from any teaching of the Bible.  I will only say that HCH is blessed with a vivid imagination.

 

[Gregory Matthews]

As I write this, April 2 has come to all parts of the U.S.

Pence did not become President by the beginning of April 2.  Just as we expected.

The Bible tells us of the certainty of our salvation and the coming 2nd advent.  It does not tell us either the Pence will become President, or that Pence will not become President.

 

[stinsonmarri]

7 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

As I write this, April 2 has come to all parts of the U.S.

Pence did not become President by the beginning of April 2.  Just as we expected.

The Bible tells us of the certainty of our salvation and the coming 2nd advent.  It does not tell us either the Pence will become President, or that Pence will not become President.

 

Again, he makes predictions that does not make sense.

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

17 hours ago, hch said:

I have been silent for a while. Now we will see if I have been reading Bible prophecy correctly.

Here is my Michael Pence 2 April 2020 video FYI:

Maybe now you will see you are not following YAHWEH with these predictions. YOU HAVE FAIL! Please stop because this is not funny it is sad and serious with your soul Henry. I plea with you just stop!