Who's fooling who?

[hch]

The Sea and Earth are Different

Before Daniel was unsealed and opened, tradition correctly taught for centuries that the four sea-beasts depict the four kingdoms (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome). But unfortunately, heaven’s interpretation was assumed to be using the term EARTH-KINGS interchangeably to mean sea-kingdoms. The KJV translators’ understanding of the identity of the four sea-beasts/ kingdoms has thus been used to reinterpret Heaven’s interpretation of the vision. Rather than to allow Heaven’s plain statement to explain the symbolism in the vision, the traditional understanding uses the vision to explain the interpretation. God allowed the King James translators’ reinterpretation of Heaven’s clear statement to seal the meaning of this prophecy until knowledge increased! Now, it is understood that earth and sea are different:

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And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas (Genesis 1:10, ed).

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As we have followed down the chain of prophecy, revealed truth for our time has been clearly seen and explained. We are accountable for the privileges that we enjoy and for the light that shines upon our pathway. Those who lived in past generations were accountable for the light which was permitted to shine upon them. Their minds were exercised in regard to different points of Scripture which tested them. But they did not understand the truths which we do. They were not responsible for the light which they did not have. They had the Bible, as we have; but the time for the unfolding of special truth in relation to the closing scenes of this earth’s history is during the last generations that shall live upon the earth.[1]

Prophecies in Revelation supplement, repeat and enlarge those in Daniel. Revelation 13 differentiates between the sea-beast that is followed in the endtime by the earth-beast.

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And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea... And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth (Revelation 13:1, 11).

The Symbolic earth and sea are different! The sea-beasts initially depicted the kingdoms of: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome that arose and fell in their order. Then prophetically, papal Rome is followed by a kingdom coming from the prophetic earth. When Heaven interprets the vision in Daniel 7, Heaven moves the focus from Rome to the earth-kings that align with the transition given in Revelation 13.

The Prophetic Earth in Prophecy

Revelation 13 identifies the earth-beast power by its features. It has arisen, and it is clearly identified!

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And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men (Revelation 13:13).

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The prophecies of Daniel and of John [Revelation] are to be understood; they interpret each other. They give to the world truths which everyone should understand. These prophecies are to be witnesses in the world. By their fulfillment in these last days, they will explain themselves.[2]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki testify to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Only one nation, the USA, has literally made fire come down from heaven in the sight of eyewitnesses.

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Over the city of Hiroshima, the Enola Gay dropped an 8,900-pound atomic weapon… Two thousand feet above the ground, the bomb…detonated...[3]

An eyewitness report: “After the flash, she saw a brilliant orange orb, the color of the sun as it sets in the ocean, erupt in the sky - and she hit the ground. When she looked up, the buildings around her and much of the city were on fire… West was stunned by the hellish ruins of Hiroshima.”[4]

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Over Nagasaki when Bockscar’s bombardier, Captain Kermit Beahan, visually sighted the target; the Fat Man was exploded above the ground. “The explosion generated heat estimated at 3,900 degrees Celsius (…7,050 F)”[5]

More recently, President Trump has threatened to rain “FIRE AND FURY” upon North Korea. The earth-beast of Revelation is the USA! As it has partially fulfilled Bible prophecy, it will continue to fulfill Bible prophecy.

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Thousands who pride themselves upon their wisdom and independence regard it an evidence of weakness to place implicit confidence in the Bible; they think it a proof of superior talent and learning to cavil at the Scriptures, and to spiritualize and explain away their most important truths.[6]

As Revelation 13 continues, it gives other identifying features of the earth-beast power. They fit the United States!

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And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon (Revelation 13:11).

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It is the beast with lamb-like horns—in profession pure, gentle, and harmless— that speaks as a dragon.[7]

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At the time when the Papacy, robbed of its strength, was forced to desist from persecution, John beheld a new power coming up to echo the dragon’s voice, and carry forward the same cruel and blasphemous work. This power, the last that is to wage war against the church and the law of God, is represented by a beast with lamblike horns. The beasts preceding it had risen from the sea; but this came up out of the earth, representing the peaceful rise of the nation which it symbolized—the United States.[8] (White wrote this in 1910)

After the papacy had ruled in Western Europe for 1260 years, the French inflicted its deadly wound upon it in 1798. Then France negotiated with US Ambassador James Monroe the 1803 sale of the prophetic earth, the Louisiana Territory. The timing fits White’s comment perfectly: At the time (1798) when the Papacy was forced to desist from persecution, John beheld a new power coming up (1803).

When Monroe became President, the Monroe Doctrine spoke like a dragon. It warned Europeans: Stop colonizing the Americas or else! Then he set up thrones, i.e., governors and state legislators in the Louisiana Territory/prophetic earth. President Truman, the man who called fire from heaven, came from Missouri, an area within the prophetic earth.

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[1] 2T 692.2, ed

[2] PH135 5.1, ed

[3] http://www.factmonster.com/spot/hiroshima1.html, ed

[4] http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/hiroshima-survivor-hell-n-y-er-tells-day-sky-turned-orange-article-1.580801, ed

[5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#The_bombing_2, ed

[6] GC88 582.3. ed

[7] GC88 442.2

[8] ST, February 8, 1910 par. 5

[stinsonmarri]

On 6/23/2019 at 6:53 AM, hch said:

Obviously, the local interpretation of this prophecy was fulfilled by King Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty when ancient Babylon fell to Medo-Persia. But it only partially fulfilled the prophecy, because Medo-Persia was not an eternal kingdom. However, Medo-Persia toppled Babylon and it foreshadows a final complete fulfillment that follows in the endtime because King Cyrus is a type of Christ, who is to rule in the endtime.

HCH: I am sorry but ENOUGH! How dare you relate Cyrus with YAHSHUA! You know we all try our best to give you respect, but you are so far from the truth, that it hurts! Henry, I have known you for many years on another forum, but I never heard you spoke like you are speaking now! Cyrus was selected by YAHSHUA to fulfill a prophecy and Gabriel had to deal with Satan. As powerful as Gabriel is also a holy angel who took Satan covering position, he was no match for the arch-rebel. MICHALE (YAHSHUA), had to come down and stop Satan! Cyrus finally, allowed the Children of Israel to return to Jerusalem. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that Cyrus was a representative of YAHSHUA! What the Bible shows clearly that YAHSHUA allows on HIS Mercy and WILL to put up kings and also to take them down! Cyrus was hidden from his father to become king of the Medes and also the Persians who was his mother's people. His father was trying to kill him, but it was YAHSHUA who hid him for HIS Purpose. 

The example is giving in Revelation about the beast, that's why it makes no sense why SDA are so misled to thank the beast and the papacy are the same. How can you ride yourself? But here is the truth that is staring them in the face when John states this fact:

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.  And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.  These have one mind and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.  And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For ELOHIYM hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of ELOHIYM shall be fulfilled. Rev 17:11-13; 16, 17 WOY

All is THE WILL of THE FATHER whom THE SON carries out! 

Many have tried to make Melchizedek to beYAHSHUA due to prejudice. This king was Black and a Jebusite one of the many children of Canaan. Because Paul said this:

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto THE SON of ELOHIYM; abideth a priest continually. Heb 7:3  WOY

The Scripture by the KJV makes it look like Paul is saying that Melchizedek is mysterious and throws many people off. First what Paul is actually writing this book to is to the Hebrews people. These common people never spoke Greek, they actually detested them and thought they were unclean. Act Chapter 11 is proof of that fact! They spoke Hebrew or Aramaic which are related dialects. Biblical Scholars today know that the NT was written in Hebrew and after the destruction of the Temple and the eventual rise of the Pharisees, many of their books were destroyed, the pure hatred of the Hebrews were the Catholic and they plunder and destroy many of their writings as well.

I have also taken a great deal of pains to obtain the learning of the Greeks, and understand the elements of the Greek language, although I have so long accustomed myself to speak our own tongue, that I cannot pronounce Greek with sufficient exactness; for our nation does not encourage those that learn the languages of many nations, and so adorn their discourses with the smoothness of their periods. . . Antiquities of Jews XX, XI (AD 93).

Greek NT manuscripts contains several textual variations. According to Greek Scholar Herman C. Hoskier in his book "Codex B and it Allies" (1914) volume 2, there are 3,036 textual variations between Greek NT manuscript "Codex Sinaiticus" and Greek NT manuscript "Codex Vaticanus" in the text of the Gospels alone, enumerated as follows: Matthew: 656, Mark: 567, Luke: 791, John: 1022.

What Paul was actually saying that no records of Melchizedek ancestry have been found during his day. But, right in this KJV YAHWEH'S WORD will not come back to HIM Void.

"...But made like unto THE SON of ELOHIYM!" Here it lets all know that Melchizedek was made like THE SON of THE MOST HIGH! What like THE SON? "....abideth a priest continually."

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, for under it the people received the law, what further need was there that ANOTHER PRIEST should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Heb 7:11 

This is proof that Melchizedek was after the order of YAHSHUA! That is why the word christ has no meaning, in Hebrew but MESSIAH does! This word stands for more than anointing, it stands for the anointing of THE TRUE PROPHET, (SPIRIT OF PROPHECY), PRIEST and KING, this is YAHSHUA!

I pray for you Henry Childs that you stop with this interpretation or fantasy that you have. The Bible is no private interpretation, it can and will speak for itself we need understanding call knowledge and only THE HOLY SPIRIT will give it to those who diligently seek HIM! None of us are better than you and I truly love you and want you and me to pray together, whenever you are ready my brother! Just be careful with THE ALMIGHTY ONES, THEY are not something we should take lightly. HOLY and REVERENCE are ALL THREE and only through THEM can lead us to salvation!

Have a blessed Sabbath to All!

[hch]

Dear Sister Marri,

Did you understand what I wrote? I read your comment several times: How does it relate to the point that I was making?

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That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, thy foundation shall be laid. Isaiah 44:28.

 

As a type of Christ:

1) Cyrus was a man...Jesus was the Son of God and son of man

2) You say Cyrus' father tried to kill him...Herod tried to kill Jesus

3) Cyrus set the captive Jews free...Jesus sets the sinners free

4) Cyrus ordered the restoration of the Temple & its services...Temple and its services typifies Jesus

5) Babylon fell to Cyrus...Spiritual Babylon will fall when Jesus Comes

6) Cyrus dried the Euphrates...the Euphrates dries to prepare  the way for 'the kings of the east'

7) Cyrus had the wealth of Persia in his hands...Jesus has the wealth of the universe in His hands

8] Cyrus was a king of kings...Jesus is the King of kings

Cyrus as faulty as he was, is a symbolic type of Christ

 

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Type had met antitype in the death of God's Son. The Lamb of God had been offered as a sacrifice. It was as if a voice had said to the worshipers, "There is now an end to all sacrifices and offerings" (YI June 21, 1900).

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They did not realize that type met antitype in the death of Jesus Christ. The greater their perversion of figures and symbols, the more confused their minds became, so that they could not see the perfect fulfilment of the Jewish economy, instituted and established by Christ, and pointing to Him as the substance. Meats and drinks and divers ordinances were multiplied until ceremonial religion constituted their only worship.  {SpTEd 171.1}  

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They were slow to discern to the end of that which had been abolished by the death of Christ, and to perceive that all their sacrificial offerings had but prefigured the death of the Son of God, in which type had met its antitype rendering valueless the divinely appointed ceremonies and sacrifices of the Jewish religion.  {LP 64.2}

 

[hch]

The Judgment Began in 1844

While Daniel was in vision, chapter 7 reveals that he watched events on earth and in heaven. He saw thrones cast down as the King James Bible puts it (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome) and thrones placed as it appears in other translations. When the successive kingdoms arose (Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and America), their thrones were set up or placed. After the earth-beast/America annexed the prophetic earth (1803), Daniel saw thrones placed in heaven for the Investigative Judgment to begin (1844) when the books were opened.

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I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: His throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] His wheels [as] burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened (Daniel 7:9-10, ed).

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I beheld till thrones were placed, and the Ancient of days sat: His garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like clean wool: his throne like flames of fire: the wheels of it like a burning fire.  A swift stream of fire issued forth from before Him: thousands of thousands ministered to Him, and ten thousand times a hundred thousand stood before Him: the judgment sat, and the books were opened (7:9-10, Douay, ed).

In the Great Advent Movement, it had been discovered that Revelation 14 began God’s Judgment Hour at a specific time: 22 October 1844. It has a specific duration as well.

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Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His Judgment is Come: And worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters (Revelation 14:7, ed).

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Judgment must begin at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17).

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Of the church in Sardis write; These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead (Revelation 3:1, ed).

Judging the Dead Church

When the Investigative Judgment Hour of the dead began on 22 October 1844, what was the condition of the Roman Catholic Church? It had received its deadly wound in 1798. Prophetically, it was the dead church in Sardis! Though a new pope came into power in 1800, his universal secular rule was limited; the pope barely ruled the Papal States in 1870: He ruled them because the French army protected him.

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Rome was declared Capital of Italy in March 1861... However, the Italian Government could not take possession of its capital because Napoleon III kept a French garrison in Rome protecting Pope Pius IX. The opportunity to eliminate the last vestige of the Papal States came when the Franco-Prussian War began in July 1870. Emperor Napoleon III had to recall his garrison from Rome for France's own defense and could no longer protect the pope. Following the collapse of the Second French Empire at the battle of Sedan, widespread public demonstrations demanded that the Italian Government take Rome…

The Pope, whose previous residence, the Quirinal Palace, had become the royal palace of the Kings of Italy, withdrew in protest into the Vatican, where he lived as a self-proclaimed “prisoner”, refusing to leave or to set foot in St. Peter's Square, and forbidding (Non Expedit) Catholics on pain of excommunication to participate in elections in the new Italian state.[1]

 

History confirms it! When the Judgment Hour of the dead began at the house of God on 22 October 1844, Prophetically, politically, and spiritually, the Roman Church was DEAD. And it remained dead for an entire hour.

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The Revelation is a sealed book, but it is also an open book, recording marvelous events that are to take place in the last days of this earth’s history. Its teachings [and times] are definite, not mystical and unintelligible, and God would have us understand it.[2]

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[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_during_the_Savoyard_era_(1870–1929)

[2] ST, January 11, 1899 par. 5

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri said in the quote immediately below:

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These common people never spoke Greek, they actually detested them and thought they were unclean. Act Chapter 11 is proof of that fact! They spoke Hebrew or Aramaic which are related dialects. Biblical Scholars today know that the NT was written in Hebrew and after the destruction of the Temple and the eventual rise of the Pharisees, many of their books were destroyed, the pure hatred of the Hebrews were the Catholic and they plunder and destroy many of their writings as well.

Stinsonmarri  agrees with a minority group of people who believe that the  original New Testament manuscripts were written in Hebrew/Aramaic.  This is a minority view that is widely rejected by New Testament scholars.

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Archeological discoveries have shown that Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and even Latin were all used by the people of the Holy Land during the first century of the Common Era. But the New Testament itself, as best we can tell, was in fact written by Christ-following Jews in Koine Judeo-Greek. This is the simplest and most factually accurate possibility. This view readily explains the amount of underlying Hebraic patterns of thought, reasoning, grammar, and vocabulary that make the New Testament a thoroughly Jewish collection.

https://israelstudycenter.com/new-testament-written-hebrew/

NOTE:  What is  written below, is my writing and not that of the above author--GM.

It should be acknowledged that we do not have any original manuscripts of  either the Old Testament or of the New Testament.  Every manuscript that we have is a copy.  Not even one original manuscript is known to exist today.  Based upon the copies that we have today, scholars generally believe that the original manuscripts of the Old Testament were written in Hebrew with Aramaic used in a few places such as the book of Daniel.  

The majority of scholars today agree that the New Testament was written in a form of Greek that is generally called Koine Greek.  She is wrong is telling us that it was written in Hebrew.

 

[stinsonmarri]

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, hch said:

Dear Sister Marri,

Did you understand what I wrote? I read your comment several times: How does it relate to the point that I was making?

 

As a type of Christ:

1) Cyrus was a man...Jesus was the Son of God and son of man

2) You say Cyrus' father tried to kill him...Herod tried to kill Jesus

3) Cyrus set the captive Jews free...Jesus sets the sinners free

4) Cyrus ordered the restoration of the Temple & its services...Temple and its services typifies Jesus

5) Babylon fell to Cyrus...Spiritual Babylon will fall when Jesus Comes

6) Cyrus dried the Euphrates...the Euphrates dries to prepare  the way for 'the kings of the east'

7) Cyrus had the wealth of Persia in his hands...Jesus has the wealth of the universe in His hands

8] Cyrus was a king of kings...Jesus is the King of kings

Cyrus as faulty as he was, is a symbolic type of Christ

 

 

HCH: What you state below could be equated by many men.

As a type of Christ: Christ yes but not THE MESSIAH! Did you not read that the christ does relate to the Paleo Hebrew word MASHIYACH, that is transliterated to MESSIAH! Mashyach comes from the verb mashach, which means to anoint (not smear) with oil, usually for the purpose of dedicating or consecrating the temple,  vessel or someone such as a prophet, priest or king for the service of YAHWEH. I suggest you read Ex Chapters 25-40; Lev Chapter 8; 1 Sam 15:1; 16:12; 1 King 1:34; 19:16 All of these Scriptures and there are more, points to the anointing of a prophet, priest or a king. YAHSHUA was anointed to be all three! The Greek word christ does not even come close it is the smearing of oil over the dead! This word actually was adopted by the Greek from the Egyptians who smear oil over the dead bodies before wrapping them. They also removed their organs and brains from the bodies. I would suggest all should actually study the word christ because it also comes from christo. Remember the Roman soldiers worship the Persian god Mithras who was also called christo!

1) Cyrus was a man...Jesus was the Son of God and son of man- Cyrus was selected to do MICHALE'S (YAHSHUA'S), WILL! YAHSHUA was anointed, Cyrus never was, he was a pagan king.

2) You say Cyrus' father tried to kill him...Herod tried to kill Jesus- There is no correlation at all Herod was not YAHSHUA'S FATHER, nor did you find anywhere that he tried to kill HIM!!!!!

3) Cyrus set the captive Jews free...Jesus sets the sinners free - Cyrus did not set all the Hebrew free, he allowed them to return and build Jerusalem. They still were under Persia rule! Many Hebrew never return to Jerusalem and they were not Jews. The letter J was created in the middle ages! Also, the word Jews stand for only Judah, if you read by Hezekiah, you will find that many of the other 10 tribes united with the two. They were IsraEL, not Jews!

4) Cyrus ordered the restoration of the Temple & its services...And in the first year of Cyrus King of Persia, so that the Word of YAHWEH by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, YAHWEH stirred up the spirit (mind) of Cyrus king of Persia, and he caused a voice to pass in all his kingdom, and also in writing, saying, so says Cyrus king of Persia, YAHWEH ELOHIYM  of Heaven has given me all the kingdoms of the earth. And HE has appointed me to build HIM a House at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all HIS people? His ELOHIYM  is with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the House of YAHWEH ELOHIYM, of IsraEL. HE is THE ELOHIYM, which is in Jerusalem. And all who remain in any of the places where he sojourns, let the men assist HIM of that place and lift HIM up with silver, and with gold, and with property, and with animals, besides the freewill offering for the House of THE ELOHIYM that is in Jerusalem. Ezra 1:1-4

Cyrus was appointed and not anointed and he also recognized that is was YAHWEH that gave him all the kingdoms of the world! However, nothing shows that Cyrus gave his heart of obedience to YAHWEH, even though he knew who had blessed him with all the kingdoms of the world. There is nothing else recorded about Cyrus and he is saved!

Temple and its services typify Jesus- What is true is only the sacrifices typified YAHSHUA, not the temple. This had no bearing on Cyrus or what this man has done because it was YAHWEH that put it in his mind to fulfill the prophecy. So this did not make any sense at all!

5) Babylon fell to Cyrus...Spiritual Babylon will fall when Jesus Comes-Evidently you did not read where Cyrus clearly stated that YAHWEH gave him all the kingdoms of the earth. There is no spiritual Babylon, there is a symbiotic Babylon which deals with Nimrod. It had to do with confusion. Symbolic Babylon confusion was the uncaged birds which are the Protestant. Symbolic Babylon did not fall when YAHSHUA came, find that Scripture. It failed why HE was coming. The battle of Armageddon was between the beast and the whore who rule in the unholy Jerusalem which had become symbolic Babylon. The false prophet nukes her and the Bible states clearly that an angel took a milestone and cast this city into the seas. SDA need to realize that old Jerusalem had to be judge and removed for the New Jerusalem, how hard is that??? The false religions of the world that claim to worship THE MOST are the whore's daughters, they are all the uncage birds. This the third and final time of the destruction of Jerusalem, this happens because in one hour (the Time of Trouble ends and the hour or two months this earth is without an intercessor), this is the time of the beast and his image and the time Jerusalem/Babylon will be judged for all her sins and destroyed!

6) Cyrus dried the Euphrates- Hereupon the Persians who had been left for the purpose at Babylon by the river-side entered the stream, which had now sunk so as to reach about midway up a man's thigh, and thus got into the town. Livius.org; Articles on ancient history Cyrus never dried up the River Euphrates, so you are not quoting history correctly!

the Euphrates dries to prepare the way for 'the kings of the east'- The Bible did not say dries it said: ...and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. Rev 16:12

The water was already dried up and this was not actually water but people. Here is the truth about Islam and Iran that you always talk about without sound doctrine. Islam was a religion that was never started by Ishmel or his sons, it was started by the Aryan people of Medes Persia, and Parthians.  The Persians then the Parthian empire spread into Northwest Arabia and these nomadic tribes mixed with the Semitic people as the Bible indicated in Gen 9:27 that Japheth will dwell in the tents of Shem!
The Parthian empire occupied all of modern Iran, Iraq and Armenia, parts of Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan, and -for brief periods- territories in Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Palestine. 

 iranchamber.com/history/parthians/parthians.php

In actually the religion of Islam was formed by the Parthian people who are also Iranians like the Persians and they are Japheth children. The Kushite Arabs ruled South East from what is known as Saudi Arabi to Yemen! However, once the Iranians got a foot in Arabia it was not long that this newfound religion would be developed. The Qedarites who started Islam spoke an Iranian language which is Arabic, it is not Semitic nor an Afrikan language. Elam which has not been deciphered is a Semitic language and not Paleo Hebrew which is an Afrikan language and not Semitic at all!
The Elamite language (c. 3000 BCE to 400 BCE) is the now-extinct language spoken by Elamites, who inhabited the regions of Khuzestan and Fars in Southern Iran. It has long been an enigma for scholars due to the scarcity of resources for its research and the irregularities found in the language. It seems to have no relation to its neighboring Semitic and Indo-European languages. Scholars fiercely argue over several hypotheses about its origin but have no definite theory. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam will be dried up as a religion to prepare the kings of the East, China, Russia, Japan, etc. Your Iran will not play any part in the prophecy of Daniel or Revelation. All are waiting for a possible war with the USA and Iran, it is not going to happen! Again, Satan is trying to throw a monkey wrench in YAHWEH'S prophecy and it will not happen. Just watch and see!

There is no correlation with Cyrus!

7) Cyrus had the wealth of Persia in his hands...Jesus has the wealth of the universe in His hands- YAHSHUA does not deal with wealth, the earth was already HIS as our CREATOR. YAHSHUA deals with saving souls from sin. There is no correlation and your interpretation does not make sense, I am sorry!

8] Cyrus was the king of kings... Cyrus was emperor and Darius was a king. If you understood the Paleo Hebrew- kings of kings means the same thing as emperor! Jesus is the King of kings-YAHSHUA IS KING OF KING of all the Universe because HE created everything. There is no comparison with Cyrus an earthly emperor to YAHSHUA THE MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE!

Cyrus as faulty as he was, could never ever compare symbolically to THE MESSIAH! How dare you would try to equate a sinful man like Cyrus to THE MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE. It is disdainful, not respectable, unholy and irreverence! One day you will stand before HIS FATHER and it will not go well with you. I pray that you repent and fall down on your knees with respect to you CREATOR! No man can equate to HIM especially a sinful man my goodness Henry!

Let's us all pray for Henry, blessings!

[hch]

27 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

As a type of Christ: Christ yes...

Thank you for summarizing the point that I was making. Perhaps this next point will lead to some more discussion?

The Judgment Hour

The Judgment Hour of the dead began at the dead House of God (22 October 1844). It was an HOUR. How long is it?

An HOUR (cf Strong): 1)    A certain definite time 2)    The daytime 3)    A twelfth part of the day-time, an hour 4)    Any definite time, point of time, moment

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“The hour of His judgment is come,” points to…the work of judgment which began in 1844…[1]

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Under the Mosaic system the cleansing of the sanctuary, or the great Day of Atonement, occurred on the tenth day of the seventh Jewish month (Leviticus 16:29-34) …[2]

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That same Day: for it is a Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:27, ed).

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In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ (Romans 2:16, ed).

As “Moses sat to judge the people…from the morning unto the evening (Exodus 18:13, ed), the High Priest officiated in the Sanctuary during the daylight hours on the Day of Atonement: From morning to evening. Jesus asked, “Are there not twelve hours in the day?” (John 11:9). The length of an hour being determined by the length of the day is a Jewish principle called Sha’ah Zemanit: “Proportional hour… Total daylight hours divided by 12.”[3]

When the Bible describes a literal hour, it is 60-minutes. In prophecies that utilize a day for a year, an hour can be a month (1/12^th of a 360-day year=30 days), or an hour can be 15 days based on a 24-hour day. Josiah Litch calculated a prophetic hour to be 1/24^th of a day/year when he calculated the day and year of the fall of the Ottoman Empire foretold in Revelation 9. The accuracy of his interpretation convinced multitudes of “the correctness of the principles of prophetic interpretation adopted by Miller and his associates...”[4] Based on the judgment applied to Adam, the length of The Judgment Hour of the dead (1/12^th of a 1000-year day) is 83 Years and 4 Months. History confirms it!

From the beginning of the Judgment Hour of the dead on 22 October 1844, for the entire 83 years 4 months, until the Judgment Hour of the dead ended on 22 February 1928, the Roman Church was DEAD. The papacy’s deadly wound was partially healed when Pope Pius VII was installed in 1800, but the healing continued: In 1929, when Mussolini restored a kingdom to Pope Pius XI via the Lateran Treaty.

The restoration of a secular kingdom in Italy to Pope Pius XI began in February 1929. By June of that year, the secular kingdom was restored: Again, the pope was the king of a secular state. Thus, the deadly wound was healed.

The Day of Atonement had come on 22 October 1844 to begin the Judgment Hour of the dead (while the papacy was dead). Shortly after the Hour for the Judgment of the dead ended on 22 February 1928, the secular kingdom was restored to Pope Pius XI in 1929: The papacy was alive again.

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[1] GC88 435.2, ed

[2] GC 399.4

[3]http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/134527/jewish/About-Zmanim.htm, ed

[4] GC88 334.4-5, ed

[stinsonmarri]

1 hour ago, hch said:

The hour of His judgment is come,” points to…the work of judgment which began in 1844

No, it does not! The Judgment of 1844 had to do with the 23 hundred day prophecy and yes it did fall on the exact day of Atonement. Just like the Day of Pentecost THE HOLY SPIRIT showed HIS early rain powers on that exact day. All this was done to prove that the Holy Convocation days were not nailed to Calvary. They point to Salvation and the second coming of YAHSHUA! SDA just do not want to accept and obey them. YAHSHUA has never given anything to one group of people. HE is YAHWEH and HE changes not! When one group HE Chooses fail, HE chooses the next group but the message is still the same. The sacrificial system was given to the Adams and all the people until the TRUE LAMB would come to take away the sins of the world! Today we still have sacrifices- not a lamb but our bodies who we are living sacrifices!

The hour of judgment on Jerusalem came is the same hour that destruction of the great city. Did you not see that? If it was the 1844 judgment what city did you see an angel finish off the city with a milestone? Come on Henry be for real. It is during the same prophetic hour of the beast power over the earth which was very short! That is the 1,290 days that you subtract 1,260 days is 60 days or two months. Here are the hour texts-Rev 3:10; 11:13; 14:7; 17:12; 18:10, 17, 19! Notice the last three are all about the destruction of Jerusalem/Babylon. You really do not understand Hiram Edison vision of the Investigated Judgment, which is Rev Chapters Four-Seven. Sad to say SDA is off on Chapters Six and Seven also and they just need to understand this is the book of Life that THE FATHER had in HIS HAND of the entire world! From the beginning of time, everyone had to be judged. Those who obey, their names remain in the Book of Life, those who didn't their names were blotted out! Simple- it was just the entire world until all be judged, then it is finished! YAHSHUA died for the entire world and THE FATHER will judge the entire world! End of story!

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

 

 

 

On 6/28/2019 at 3:21 PM, hch said:

After the papacy had ruled in Western Europe for 1260 years, the French inflicted its deadly wound upon it in 1798. Then France negotiated with US Ambassador James Monroe the 1803 sale of the prophetic earth, the Louisiana Territory. The timing fits White’s comment perfectly: At the time (1798) when the Papacy was forced to desist from persecution, John beheld a new power coming up (1803).

When Monroe became President, the Monroe Doctrine spoke like a dragon. It warned Europeans: Stop colonizing the Americas or else! Then he set up thrones, i.e., governors and state legislators in the Louisiana Territory/prophetic earth. President Truman, the man who called fire from heaven, came from Missouri, an area within the prophetic earth.

Henry: You start off fine and then you bring up things that have nothing at all to do with prophecies! This is what Joe was trying kindly to tell you. A doctrine does not speak like a dragon, so you know how a dragon speak? You just do not get it the serpent in the Garden was actually a flying beautiful dragon. Beautiful like a peacock before sin and he was intelligent, the only thinking creature of the animal kingdom. He just could not speak the language of flesh being like the Adams. Satan knew what this creature wanted and he deceived him to believe by eating the fruit it will make him after the power to speak the language of the Adams. He couldn't it was Satan speak for him so he lost his dragon wisdom, beauty, and power to crawl on his belly. Satan became because of what he did to this creature a symbol of an ugly dragon not what YAHSHUA originally made!

The wound was inflicted on the beast because the papacy was the beast that became the is not! What the French did was to stop the belief in the Catholic Church, the papacy also lost his political hold on Europe. Mussolini releases the Papacy who still had powers but not like before. This heals the real beast man that the papacy will groom hopefully for the Catholic Church to become an empire again, this time to rule the world. This beast man caught on to the falseness of the papacy. But Satan had full control of his mind and aided him to leave the church and to hate her. But the will of THE FATHER and prophecy was for him to destroy her as Cyrus destroyed Babylon. Indictment and Judgment come from THE FATHER and not through men. Vengement belongs to ALMIGHTY ONES and not through us!

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

24 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

You really do not understand Hiram Edison vision of the Investigated Judgment

HCH: You are puzzled because of what I told you above and you proved it!

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

On 6/28/2019 at 3:21 PM, hch said:

Before Daniel was unsealed and opened, tradition correctly taught for centuries that the four sea-beasts depict the four kingdoms (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome).

SEA-BEAST, where on earth did you read that???? The beast came out of the sea, that does not mean it was an actual sea beast! The sea represented people and the beast is the same beast of Daniel:

And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed and given to the burning flame. Dan 7:3, 7, 11

 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. Rev 13:1, 2 

 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.  Rev 19:20 

The exact same beast! Water is symbolic of people, tongue, and nations.

Blessings!

[JoeMo]

We continue to deceive ourselves by insisting that the papacy is the end-time beast power; and that the day for a year principle applies to all prophecy rather than to the only two prophecies in the Bible where the principle is explicitly applied.

[Gregory Matthews]

There is an additional major problem that some people have.

Let us begin with accepting the belief that some people have that in Bible prophecy, a day may equal a year.  For the purpose of this post, we will assume that position is correct and not  argue against it.

Some people will say that on the above basis, an hour in Bible prophecy equals about 15 days.  They get this figure by dividing the 365 (360 for some) days in a year by 24.  However, not one Bible verse states that an hour equals that figure.  Those who do this are reading their own ideas into the Bible, rather than allowing the Bible to speak for itself.

The same will go for any other time figure.  A minute in Bible prophecy does not equal 6 hours kof time.  

The fundamental basis for understanding the Bible is to allow the Bible to speak for itself and to not read into it our own ideas.

Unfortunately, HCH has in his posts engaged in some of this faulty understanding of the Bible.

 

 

 

[hch]

The question remains: Who's fooling who?

The Lord declares:  "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD" (Isaiah 1:18)

Josiah Litch Studied Revelation 9 and applied a 24 hour day to calculate the prophecy, and he came up with the day and year that the Ottoman Empire would fall. History confirmed the factual application of his understanding of that prophetic time.

Jesus understood that men measured the length of a day as being 12 hours. His apostle, Peter recognized that a day with God was as 1000 years and a 1000 years as one day. Since Adam died in the day that he sinned (within the 1000 year day at the age of 930 years old), Adam's death links the 1000 year day the judgment timeframe. Using the measurement acknowledged by Christ 1/12th of 1000 years is 83 years 4 months. 

Adventists know that the Judgment HOUR began 22 October 1844 and since an hour is of a specific duration, it is not rocket science to see that 22 October 1844 to 22 February 1928 is 83 years 4 months. And since judgment MUST begin at the house of God, it is not a leap of faith to see that the Church of God that had apostatized (the RC) had received its deadly wound in 1798: It was the dead church on 22 October 1844 and it remained dead until 22 February 1928. 

The Judgement HOUR aligns perfectly with the math. But instead of discussing the facts of the matter in search of truth GM dances around the issue, creates a straw man argument and implies doubt.

31 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Let us begin with accepting the belief that some people have that in Bible prophecy, a day may equal a year.  For the purpose of this post, we will assume that position is correct and not  argue against it.

On the-other-hand Marri does not see the prophetic significance of prophecy fulfilled.

8 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

You start off fine and then you bring up things that have nothing at all to do with prophecies!

And JoeMo questions that the papacy is relevant to Bible prophecy.

7 hours ago, JoeMo said:

We continue to deceive ourselves by insisting that the papacy is the end-time beast power

These responses to what I am saying show that these individuals do not agree with my reading of the Bible. BUT instead of linking their responses to what I have written or the evidence that I have presented so that we can reason together, it looks like they are attempting to protect pet theories.

Truth withstands scrutiny, but the foolishness of men will be seen for its folly.

[hch]

The Day of Atonement had come on 22 October 1844 to begin the Judgment Hour of the dead (while the papacy was dead). Shortly after the Hour for the Judgment of the dead ended on 22 February 1928, the secular kingdom was restored to Pope Pius XI in 1929: The papacy was alive again.

Judging the Living

After the papacy was alive, the Judgment of the LIVING began. Like the Judgment of the dead, the Judgment of the living must begin on the Day of Atonement: On the Gregorian calendar, Yom Kippur does not come on the same day every year. After the Judgment Hour of the dead ended 22 February 1928, there was a brief Tarrying Time that preceded the healing of the deadly wound. After the deadly wound was healed, the Hour of the Judgment of the living began on the Day of Atonement in 1929, which was on October 14^th.

Notice that the papacy was dead for the entire hour (83 years 4 months) allotted for the Judgment of the DEAD and that seven popes/heads ruled the secular papal kingdom as SOLO popes during the hour (83 years 4 months) allotted for the Judgment of the LIVING from 14 October 1929 until 14 February 2013: Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, and Benedict XVI. When the Judgment Hour of the LIVING ended, Pope Benedict XVI resigned, and the secular papacy changed—from one living pope at a time to two popes living concurrently. History confirms Bible prophecy fulfilled!

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And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast (Revelation 13:1-3).

We know that God’s Judgment Hour of the dead began in 1844! The Roman Church was dead. The prophecy of the Great Advent Disappointment (Revelation 10) was fulfilled. Knowledge increased! More prayerful study led to an understanding of the cleansing of Heaven’s Sanctuary. Our faith in God’s word is confirmed by an eyewitness:

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The Lord has shown me in vision, that Jesus rose up, and shut the door, and entered the Holy of Holies, at the 7^th [Jewish] month 1844...[1]

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We are living in the great antitypical day of atonement. Jesus is now in the heavenly sanctuary, making reconciliation for the sins of His people, and the judgment of the righteous dead has been going on almost forty years. How soon the cases of the living will come in review before this tribunal we know not; but we do know that we are living in the closing scenes of earth's history, standing, as it were, on the very borders of the eternal world.[2]

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The work of judgment which began in 1844, must continue until the cases of all are decided, both of the living and the dead.[3]

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The judgment takes place first upon the dead, then upon the living, then the whole universe will be assembled to hear the sentence.[4]

When Ellen White lived, the judgment of the dead was in progress. She did not know when it would end or when the living would be judged; only that the Investigative Judgment would continue until both had been judged.

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[1] WLF 12.4, ed

[2] ST, May 29, 1884 par. 3

[3] GC88 435.2

[4] 8MR 244.2

[B/W Photodude]

11 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

SEA-BEAST, where on earth did you read that???? The beast came out of the sea, that does not mean it was an actual sea beast!

Someone has not been studying their Sabbath School lessons! This topic of the Sea-beast and the Land-beast were well covered LAST quarter in the lessons on Revelation.

I do find it amazing sometimes how often topics being discussed on Adventistan are paralleling almost simultaneously what is in the Sabbath School lessons.

[stinsonmarri]

4 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

There is an additional major problem that some people have.

Let us begin with accepting the belief that some people have that in Bible prophecy, a day may equal a year.  For the purpose of this post, we will assume that position is correct and not  argue against it.

Some people will say that on the above basis, an hour in Bible prophecy equals about 15 days.  They get this figure by dividing the 365 (360 for some) days in a year by 24.  However, not one Bible verse states that an hour equals that figure.  Those who do this are reading their own ideas into the Bible, rather than allowing the Bible to speak for itself.

The same will go for any other time figure.  A minute in Bible prophecy does not equal 6 hours kof time.  

The fundamental basis for understanding the Bible is to allow the Bible to speak for itself and to not read into it our own ideas.

Unfortunately, HCH has in his posts engaged in some of this faulty understanding of the Bible.

 

 

 

I base an hour on the same equation that the Millerites base the 23 hundred day prophecy. They based it on a lunar/solar calendar, this is YAHWEH Calendar that was given at creation. Gen 1:14 You cannot understand this Verse in KJV it needs to be understood in a Hebrew Bible or with a Lexicon. The almanac has been used in some form or manner by the entire world. The phases of the moon set time along with the sun. When the earth was first created it had 30 equal days in a month (this word actually means moon and it deals with its phases).  During the flood, this earth contains so much water that it moved from where it was placed during creation. It moved further away from the sun because of this the south pole does not get accurate sunlight. YAHWEH allowed this as well, the water split up the land mass, some due to pressure from the water sank below. Because of the type of rocks that keeps the land mass floating above the water, those that sank along with pressure and heat from the core of the earth causes tremendous disturbances we called earthquake and tsunamis in the ocean. These underwater disturbances cause rocks to melt and cool building up and breaking through the surfaces of the various split land masses. They also form islands as well and then being continuously active they explode. YAHWEH also needed to keep an outbreak of disease from billions of decaying flesh human beings and the untold numbers of animals (we call dinosaurs) made by us and other creatures mixed with us that defaced HIS RESEMBLANCE! The antediluvians were highly intelligent, using 100% of their evil minds continuously! Their vast knowledge of DNA and mixing was out of control. All of these beings died and the creatures they made! In order to keep the earth clean what scientist today call an ice age was done when the water receded and continue when Noah and his family left the ark. It took some time from Noah leaving the ark and Nimrod. Keep in mind they were still living over from about 500 years to over 100 years old. It took time from them to scatter and move north. These land mass with ice had melting down and the temperature also changes as well.

I speak of this because some months had one day less due to the earth movement from the sun. The true months have 29 to 30 days during the moon phases we call months. YAHWEH gave to Noah season in Gen 8:22, there were no seasons before on one even temperature! I really do not go by the Gregorian Calendar it is a pagan calendar. It is a Catholic calendar, the pope place 15 days in September that was in October but they kept the Roman Julius calendar and made it be a papacy calendar! The seven-day cycle is correct but that is all! That's why the Millerites which included the pioneers of the SDA Church used a lunar/solar calendar and they kept the Holy Convocation of the Day of Atonement not fully understanding why. If the church would have listened deeply to Jones and Waggoner and obey what they preached during the 1888 message; we would be observing the Holy Convocations better then Israel did. We did not need to sacrifice YAHSHUA was our LAMB, we needed to become living sacrifices. We would have understood that there was only one meal so the word "feast," would not make any sense. We would know that they were Holy Convocation days that belong to YAHWEH and not any IsraEL or Jew. Actually, not to anyone! Finally, we would realize they point to salvation and the coming of YAHSHUA!

The point I want to leave is that the Millerites used YAHWEH Calendar and our pioneers believe that the Day of Atonement was not nailed to Calvery and YAHSHUA moved into THE MOST HOLY PLACE took the Book of Life and open it! This begins the Investigated Judgment!

Oh! The first of the year is call Abib and it always between the later days of March and April! New year on Jan 1 is pagan and it stands for death and not the recycle of life! Lunar/Solar Calendar has some 13 months and it recycles every 19 years! The Gregorian calendar is of time and years.

Using the correct calendar that the Millerites used an hour in prophetic time is 60 min. you convert it to 60 days or two months! Do the prophetic time a day = one year!

Blessings!

 

[stinsonmarri]

On 6/29/2019 at 7:09 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsonmarri  agrees with a minority group of people who believe that the  original New Testament manuscripts were written in Hebrew/Aramaic.  This is a minority view that is widely rejected by New Testament scholars.

Well, Pastor, some of these minorities are accepted by the BAR Magazine. You do know the prestige of this magazine right? My Bible tells me not to follow the crowd but to follow those who speak and prove the truth. With the deepest respect to you, I learned that I have a mind and I know that documents were destroyed. Just like minorities know that the majority constantly overlook that Afrikan people built Jerusalem. We also know that the Paleo Hebrew language was adopted by most Semitic people but it was and still is an Afrikan language.  Just like the majority want to say that Shem was White and he was not, he was brown and that the Philistine the true Minoan were Greeks. They were not, they were Afrikan and all you have to do is read Gen 10:14. How many of the majority in the Protestant churches think that Ham committed a homosexual act when the KJV clearly states otherwise? Gen 9:22

Finally, remember it was the majority of the Millerites who did not agree that the Day Atonement was correct and it was the Investigated Judgment. Only a small minority did and they became the Sabbath Adventist!

Peace and blessings to you Pastor!

[stinsonmarri]

31 minutes ago, stinsonmarri said:

Stinsonmarri  agrees with a minority group of people who believe that the  original New Testament manuscripts were written in Hebrew/Aramaic.  This is a minority view that is widely rejected by New Testament scho

Pastor Matthew: Please forgive the typing error I meant the BAS Library and since I made the mistake here it is, and I am a member as well for years. I also am given writings of the majority during the early church time!

New evidence indicates that the Gospel of Matthew was an original Hebrew composition. Indeed, it is now possible to recover much of this original Hebrew composition from an extant manuscript.

One early Christian writer named Papias, who lived between about 60 and 130 A.D. in Hierapolis in Asia Minor (he was bishop of Hierapolis), wrote that “Matthew arranged the oracles in the Hebrew language and each interpreted them as best he could.” Many other early Christian writers—like Irenaeus, Origen, Eusebius, Epiphanius, and Jerome—assert that Matthew wrote in Hebrew.

 Whether these ancient authors were referring to Hebrew or Aramaic, however, is not entirely clear. Some scholars have argued that when Papias said “Hebrew” he really meant “Aramaic.” The difference between Aramaic and Hebrew is not great. Was The Gospel of Matthew Originally Written In Hebrew? By George Howard from the Biblical Archaeology Society Online Archive

Around 180 Irenaeus of Lyons wrote that:

Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching in Rome and laying the foundation of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple, and interpreter of Peter did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon his breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia. (Against Heresies 3:1:1)

Fifty years earlier Papias, bishop of Hierapolis in Asia Minor, wrote, “Matthew compiled the sayings [of the Lord] in the Aramaic language, and everyone translated them as well as he could” (Explanation of the Sayings of the Lord [cited by Eusebius in History of the Church 3:39]).

Sometime after 244 the Scripture scholar Origen wrote, “Among the four Gospels, which are the only indisputable ones in the Church of God under heaven, I have learned by tradition that the first was written by Matthew, who was once a publican, but afterward an apostle of Jesus Christ, and it was prepared for the converts from Judaism and published in the Hebrew language” (Commentaries on Matthew [cited by Eusebius in History of the Church 6:25]).

Eusebius himself declared that “Matthew had begun by preaching to the Hebrews, and when he made up his mind to go to others too, he committed his own Gospel to writing in his native tongue [Aramaic], so that for those with whom he was no longer present the gap left by his departure was filled by what he wrote” (History of the Church 3:24 [inter 300-325]).

Blessings!

 

 

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri:

You are entitled to believe as you wish.

As to your first of the two posts above, your belief is not grounded in the Bible.  That is my point.  If you say it is, you are reading into the Bible your own ideas instead of allowing the Bible to speak for itself.

As to the 2nd of the two above posts, you have introduced into the discussion several issues that I have not addressed.  I certainly agree that you have a mind.  I do think that your mind is correct at times and at other times I consider it to not be correct.  No one is `100% correct in this life and that includes both you and I.

You are free to express your opinions here.  Understand that I, and others are very likely to tell you that some of the positions that you take are wrong.  In spite of your mind, they are false.

 

[stinsonmarri]

2 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

Someone has not been studying their Sabbath School lessons! This topic of the Sea-beast and the Land-beast were well covered LAST quarter in the lessons on Revelation.

I do not read some SS books just for the very reason. It is not Bible base.

Blessings!

[Gregory Matthews]

Stinsonmarri:  Thank you for posting from the BAS on the book of Matthew and  suggesting that it was  written in Hebrew.  You have  posted well the argument in favor of that position.

However, that argument is not as well grounded as you may think.  As a result, it is not the majority view.

There are reasons to continue to believe that Matthew was first written in Greek.

 

[stinsonmarri]

2 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsonmarri:

You are entitled to believe as you wish.

As to your first of the two posts above, your belief is not grounded in the Bible.  That is my point.  If you say it is, you are reading into the Bible your own ideas instead of allowing the Bible to speak for itself.

As to the 2nd of the two above posts, you have introduced into the discussion several issues that I have not addressed.  I certainly agree that you have a mind.  I do think that your mind is correct at times and at other times I consider it to not be correct.  No one is `100% correct in this life and that includes both you and I.

You are free to express your opinions here.  Understand that I, and others are very likely to tell you that some of the positions that you take are wrong.  In spite of your mind, they are false.

 

Please concerning the first two posts.  Can you be more specific because I did give Bible quotations? So if they are not grounded in the Bible can you show where I went wrong so I can correct myself! I don't want to believe as I wish sir, I truly want to follow on the Bible. So again if I made a mistake, can you kindly show me. Thank You!

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

3 minutes ago, Gregory Matthews said:

Stinsonmarri:  Thank you for posting from the BAS on the book of Matthew and  suggesting that it was  written in Hebrew.  You have  posted well the argument in favor of that position.

However, that argument is not as well grounded as you may think.  As a result, it is not the majority view.

There are reasons to continue to believe that Matthew was first written in Greek.

 

Well Pastor Matthew: I totally disagree with you. The people during the time of YAHSHUA, especially the common people did not speak Greek at all, even Josephus stated that as a fact. The people that YAHSHUA dealt with were Hebrews, sir. Peter proved that and even Act Chapter 2 as well, they were Galilaeans. They were not like Paul who could speak in various languages, that is why he not Peter, Matthew, John, Mark or James was selected to preach to the Gentiles-Japheth children. These were fishermen, publican, and common Hebrew speaking people. They did not go to Rabbi Schools only the elite could speak Greek. The seventy elders were specifically selected to write the OT into Greek by highly learned men. There is no way that Matthew or any of the Gospel writer spoke Greek and I am sorry again Bible scholar continue to base everything on Japheth children and that sir is prejudice in the worst kind. Evidence of ancient writers show clearly the facts but biases rule the day.

The Dead Sea Scrolls and other material found shows as well that Hebrew was still the national language of the day. It is so sad to me that SDA White ministers still reject the obvious and that sir is wrong. Until we accept that all nationalities should be respected and not make the claim that one ethnic group is superior in every way including over languages over everyone then will we learn to respect each other and more our CREATORS in HEAVEN. I do not want anyone to believe me, but to look seriously at the facts and those who wrote these facts during that time. Neither you or I was there but they were and their writings should be accepted! I continue to give the evidence which is not based on what I choose or wish to believe but by the evidence which speaks for itself!

I can accept that you disagree with me but what I stand up for is that you made it appear that what the "majority" says is the way for all here to accept regardless of what I provided. I am sorry but that is wrong! It would have been fine if you stated that others have a different view but to single me out as a minority even with ancient historical writers stating the facts cause me to feel your bias to the truth. I feel this bias comes because of who I am and not what I provided. Please, again I am a presenter judge me base on what I provide and not because I am as you stated a minority. Thank You!

Blessings!

[Gregory Matthews]

The minority is not always wrong.

However the fact remains that you are in the minority in the position that i cited.  If you think otherwise you simply do not understand.