Coulter ridicules widows of 9/11

[Neil D]

[:"blue"] Here is another ultra conservative talking head voicing her 'kind and compassionate views' of the GOP. If this is kind and compassionate, then may the good Lord cut our duration of this type of view short. [/]

Sen. Clinton rips author for `vicious, mean-spirited attack' accusing 4 of enjoying their husbands' deaths

By Devlin Barrett

Associated Press

Published June 8, 2006

WASHINGTON -- New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused commentator Ann Coulter of making a "vicious, mean-spirited attack" on outspoken Sept. 11 widows whom the television pundit described as "self-obsessed" and enjoying their husbands' deaths.

Coulter writes in a new book, "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," that a group of New Jersey widows whose husbands died in the World Trade Center act "as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them."

She also wrote, "I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much."

Clinton, who has felt Coulter's criticism over the years, responded on Wednesday.

"Perhaps her book should have been called `Heartless,"' the senator said. "I know a lot of the widows and family members who lost loved ones on 9/11. They never wanted to be a member of a group that is defined by the tragedy of what happened."

Clinton said she found it "unimaginable that anyone in the public eye could launch a vicious, mean-spirited attack on people whom I've known over the last 4 1/2 years to be concerned deeply about the safety and security of our country."

New York's Republican Gov. George Pataki also voiced anger and surprise at Coulter's words.

"I was really stunned and I don't think it's at all fair or accurate," Pataki said in New York.

"I have spoken with many, many grieving family members, and the hurt is real, the pain is real, the suffering 4 1/2 years later has not lessened to any appreciable degree," he said.

Coulter stuck by her views in an appearance Tuesday on NBC's "Today" show, saying the women used their grief "to make a political point."

"If you lose a husband, you no longer have the right to have a political point of view?" asked the show's Matt Lauer.

"No, but don't use the fact that you lost a husband as the basis for your being able to talk about it," Coulter responded.

Former White House adviser David Gergen, quoted by NBC News, said, "It's the ugliness of the charge that she's making and the ugliness of the words she's using that are drawing attention to her, but it's almost like she's a figure in a circus and you say, `Oh my God, can you believe that?'"

Her criticism targets four New Jersey women--she dubbed them "The Witches of East Brunswick," after the town where two of them live-- Kristen Breitweiser, Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg and Patty Casazza.

The four have spent the years since the 2001 terror attacks supporting an independent commission to examine government failures before the attack, and in the 2004 presidential campaign they endorsed Democratic candidate John Kerry.

The women, who are still pushing for changes in how the government guards against future attacks, issued a statement after Coulter's TV appearance.

"We have been slandered. Contrary to Ms. Coulter's statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day," their statement said.

[:"brown"] The rest of the story is here! Enjoy! [/]

[lazarus]

I kind of expect crazy stuff from Coulter after all she is trying to sell books. I thing someone called her a political prostitute....hmmmm. What is more sickening is right-wingers defending her foolishness.

[Paula]

It's people like Ann Coulter who make it clear that the persecution really is going to come when the right-wingers are in charge of this country. I'd love to see a democrat elected to the White House in 08, and the to see the dems take over congress this year... but if we really are living in the end times (and I believe we are), then you better believe we're going to have the Republicans (and their compassion) in office for a little longer. Thanks goodness the time will be shortened... or else we really wouldn't be able to stand it.

[Pockey]

Hey Lazarus I like the Boondocks avatar!

[whbae]

Ann Coulter has some good stuff in her book. You should read the book yourself before making comments. She is a little extreme but she is telling as is. I do not agree with every statement she makes, though.

Won

[Tom Wetmore]

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Ann Coulter...is a little extreme...

Won

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Yeah, rather like describing Hitler as "a little unkind"

Describing her as a political prostitute may be close to correct but I suspect an insult to most prostitutes.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

yep...them thar lawyers...jest cain't trust nary a one whut they sez. All lies, yessir, all lies, ever' word outten the mouths of their forked tongue faces. Yep, them lawyers. Crooks ever' dadburn one of 'em... []http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/Rudywoofs/iq.gif[/]

(j/k ... lawyers don't really look like that....uh... well... not most of them <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />)

[lazarus]

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Sid said:

Hey Lazarus I like the Boondocks avatar!

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Thanks

Yeah, old Equiano looked a bit stuffy and unapproachable and so he had to be terminated! <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Neil D]

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Yeah, old Equiano looked a bit stuffy and unapproachable and so he had to be terminated!

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What!?!?!?? You didn't want that "stuffy and unapproachable" Avatar??? What's the matter with you? Afraid it might tarnish your..um.... reputation??? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Now that I have said that, I will go hide behind this rock and await the fames that will sure to follow my teasing....

Of course, Lazurus could just <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> me..... <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[lazarus]

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Neil D said:

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Yeah, old Equiano looked a bit stuffy and unapproachable and so he had to be terminated!

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What!?!?!?? You didn't want that "stuffy and unapproachable" Avatar??? What's the matter with you? Afraid it might tarnish your..um.... reputation??? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Now that I have said that, I will go hide behind this rock and await the fames that will sure to follow my teasing....

Of course, Lazurus could just <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> me..... <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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This is all part of my master plan for CA domination. First get them to respect/fear you then......well I haven't worked out what the next step is but I'll have worked it out by the time I hit 500 posts!

I just felt it was time to put away the stuff air of a youth pastor and adopt a more creative, friendly, hip, persona of a senior pastor. Oh, I dunno I just liked the pic.

[lazarus]

I just discovered another one

might switch

[Neil D]

That might work... It is probably more accurate as it depicts you at the computer.... However, I do like the thoughtful colorful one as well...

Oh well....As to your total domination of C/A, weellll, all I can say is ..... good luck... <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/tongue1.gif" alt="" /> And I will go back to <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/sleeping3.gif" alt="" />

[Dr. Shane]

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What is more sickening is right-wingers defending her foolishness.

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"Right-wingers" is kind of a vague term. Ann Coulter is a far "right-winger" so I wouldn't find it surprising that those at that end of the spectrum would defend her.

At least the Republican party has not elected her as their chairperson. Howard Dean is as far left as Ann Coulter is right and he is the head of the Democrat party <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

[Dr. Shane]

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It's people like Ann Coulter who make it clear that the persecution really is going to come when the right-wingers are in charge of this country.

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I have no doubt that persecution will be bipartisan. Everytime I have to flush my toilet twice I feel a little persecutted. If only the wacko, left-wing environmentalists would let me have a 2-gallon toilet it would all go down the first time every time.

[Neil D]

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At least the Republican party has not elected her as their chairperson. Howard Dean is as far left as Ann Coulter is right and he is the head of the Democrat party

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What I am about to ask, is not a preamble to an arguement...unless you want one....But rather, more for information...

Explain to me, please, how you determine that Howard Dean is as far left as Ann Coulter is right?

[Dr. Shane]

Ann Coulter believes we should have invaded Afghanistan, killed all their leaders and converted the people to Christianity. Now that is pretty far right (opposite of left).

Howard Dean doesn't believe we should have even invaded Afghanistan. Even though the Taliban was just a puppet government for al quaida - which was directly responsible for attacking the US on 9/11. Now that is pretty far left.

There are several more examples but those two demonstate the piont well.

[Neil D]

From the Larry King Show-

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KING: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut her, but I think we get the gist of the question -- governor. DEAN: I'm not sure the caller understood that I did not support the war and only one of the four or five candidates that you have spoken for tonight. All though, Bob Graham didn't support war and Dennis Kucinich didn't support the war either. But the candidates you have spoken about Lieberman, Senator Kerry, Representative Gephardt and Senator Edwards did all support the war. I didn't support the war because I don't think the president made the case. I supported the president, as I said before, in Afghanistan because I thought that was a matter of national security. I supported the first Gulf War. But you don't send troops to war without explaining clearly and frankly to the American people why they have to go. And what this president said was, mainly, gave -- made a number of assertions that were not factual.

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Aired Augest 4, 2003 - 21:00 ET

Your assuresions are not in line with HIS retoric....Perhaps your vision of what Dean professes are more right leaning reflections than you might suppose....

[Dr. Shane]

I saw Howard Dean on Hannity and Combs where he had a totally different position. At least Coulter doesn't change her position depending upon which way the wind is blowing.

[Neil D]

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I saw Howard Dean on Hannity and Combs where he had a totally different position. At least Coulter doesn't change her position depending upon which way the wind is blowing.

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FYI, I went to many different sites, and all reflected the above link....

I understand that people have emotional baggage, Shane, and that it colors the thinking on a particular subject.

And I understand that people think that only they have the concept known as 'THE TRUTH', but I am of the opinion that the reality is somewhat different than thier opinion...

And you already know my opinion, that anything that H & C puts out is skewed majorly to the right.... even Combs, with his "left ideas" is right of center....

[Dr. Shane]

I don't know how much emotional baggage Howard Dean has but the interview I saw on Hannity & Combs was not some spin of what Dean has said. It was Howard Dean speaking with his own mouth using his own words. I won't trust my memory to be 100% accurate but I believe he was stating that he isn't convinced that war was the best policy in Afghanistan and that sanctions couldn't have toppled the Taliban. Yet we wanted to do more than topple the Taliabn. We wanted access to the countryside, caves and valleies to hunt down the al quaida operatives.

Now I would put Hannity in about the same class as Ann Coulter. They are both pretty far right. I think Alan Combs is a pretty classy guy. To me, Combs seems a little to the left like O'Reilly is a little to the right. I think Combs provides a good balance to the program. I don't think a program with an extreame right-winger and extreame left-winger would go over well. Nor would a program with a moderate-conservative (like O'Reilly) and a moderate-liberal (like Combs). Often times Hannity comes off a bulldog and Combs comes off as a class act.

I guess the real question is, when will Coulter get her own program?

BTW: Glen Beck now has his own program on Headline News. That seems to indiacte that CNN seems to think conservatives will help its ratings. Maybe they will try Coulter if Beck doesn't go over well.

[Neil D]

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I don't know how much emotional baggage Howard Dean has but the interview I saw on Hannity & Combs was not some spin of what Dean has said. It was Howard Dean speaking with his own mouth using his own words. I won't trust my memory to be 100% accurate but I believe he was stating that he isn't convinced that war was the best policy in Afghanistan and that sanctions couldn't have toppled the Taliban. Yet we wanted to do more than topple the Taliabn. We wanted access to the countryside, caves and valleies to hunt down the al quaida operatives.

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Several points here....

I cut and pasted from written transcript from the Larry King Show. The words are from Howard Dean's mouth. Not from memory...

re: I believe he was stating that he isn't convinced that war was the best policy in Afghanistan

This is consistant with what was stated in the transcript and in other places. There are other less destructive ways to achieve the same objectives with much less loss of life available to the president. It would have been much longer process and less costly in lives, dollars, and reputation. As it is, other countrys are now looking at us as a superpower that is the big bully on the block.

Re: ,,,and that sanctions couldn't have toppled the Taliban.

So far, what part of this do you disagree with?

re: Yet we wanted to do more than topple the Taliabn. We wanted access to the countryside, caves and valleies to hunt down the al quaida operatives.

Is this Dean saying this or is this you saying that Dean said this?

[aldona]

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Shane said:

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It's people like Ann Coulter who make it clear that the persecution really is going to come when the right-wingers are in charge of this country.

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I have no doubt that persecution will be bipartisan. Everytime I have to flush my toilet twice I feel a little persecutted. If only the wacko, left-wing environmentalists would let me have a 2-gallon toilet it would all go down the first time every time.

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Maybe you should be eating more fiber, Shane...

You would find it difficult to survive in Australia, where not only are all newly built houses fitted with half flush toilets by law, but people sometimes put a brick in their toilet cistern to further reduce the amount of water used and save money on their water bill.

Or maybe, if you want to be completely free of government interference, you could just go out in the back yard and dig a hole, like our ancestors did before flush toilets were invented.

aldona

[Nan]

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Or maybe, if you want to be completely free of government interference, you could just go out in the back yard and dig a hole, like our ancestors did before flush toilets were invented.

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Now Aldona, you know our governments better than that. OF COURSE they would interfere - it would be pollution of some sort - olfactory, visual or sanitary. <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/focus.gif" alt="" />

[Dr. Shane]

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all newly built houses fitted with half flush toilets by law

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PROOF!!! Liberals force their morality on others as much as conservatives do.

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if you want to be completely free of government interference, you could just go out in the back yard and dig a hole, like our ancestors did before flush toilets were invented.

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Can't do that here. The well-intentioned liberals are concerned that will polute the ground water.

[olger]

"If only the wacko, left-wing environmentalists would let me have a 2-gallon toilet it would all go down the first time every time."

Speaking of which, I have to go flush.

gcw