EGW: Ordination Rabble-Rouser

[BlessedMan]

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Piety and devotion are what count.--It is not always men who are best adapted to the successful management of a church. If faithful women have more deep piety and true devotion than men, they could indeed by their prayers and their labors do more than men who are unconsecrated in heart and in life.--19MR 56. {PaM 36.2}
 

 

[Live4Him]

1Ti 2:11  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1Ti 2:12  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Ti 2:13  For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1Ti 2:14  And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1Ti 2:15  Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety…..

 

if they disagree who is right. Scripture or Ellen white?

[phkrause]

2 hours ago, Live4Him said:

if they disagree who is right. Scripture or Ellen white?

Obviously the Bible!! Personally I don't believe that they are at odds!! Neither one here is talking about ordination!! If we go through the Bible we will find a number of women that led out!!

[Kevin H]

History tells us an interesting thing about when Timothy received this letter from Paul. In Ephesus their were two ladies who were leading out in a women's superiority movement. And not merely female superiority, but UNEDUCATED female superiority. They saw educated women as inferior an any man. They said the uneducated women were superior to men and educated women in all ways, and discouraged marriage. They would go to any public gathering, religious and secular and just take over the meetings and force the men, especially the leaders to submit to their authority. Everything that Paul wrote here are issues that we find directly related to the points that this movement was pushing and trying to force upon the population of beginning with Ephesus. As we look at Acts, we find that when Paul and his team came and started a church, he would leave it in the hands of the best people to continue it's ministry and growth, whether it be man or often it was left in the care of the cities leading (educated) women. Did Paul not practice what he preached? Or are there other ways of understanding his quotes that superficially sound like he did not practice what he preached about women leaders. Now we do find Paul focusing on the difference in leadership between educated people, and uneducated who wanted to share their lack of education. Paul also wanted services to be orderly. Thus this movement in Ephesus which pushed for the superiority of uneducated women, and history tells us how they would disrupt meeting in many of the pagan temples and public gatherings, both which would have really rubbed Paul the wrong way.