About heros..

[Stan]

We don't talk about heros any more...

About the HMS Richards, the Fagals, do we have any anymore?

Those pioneers who step out, and pressed forward...

PROBLEM is, we have the capablity these days to find out why they are not worthy of doing what they are doing... something done all too often by those who will come up at the end of the life with an empty box, but plenty of knowledge and reasons why others will not be worthy.

[olger]

Good question.

My father is one of my heros. Others include:

Winfried Vogel

Phil Samaan

possibly Willard Santee

Whatever happened to Dick Winn?

olger

[bevin]

I think this is a good thing.

Hero worship and hero creation is a deceptive and manipulative practise used by leaders to con followers into doing things which the leaders want done but can not justify.

/Bevin

[cricket]

Noah, Daniel, Job, Moses...all Biblical heroes; all sinners.

There is but one Hero worthy of Hero worship.

[Dr. Shane]

[:"blue"]he·ro

n. pl. he·roes

1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.

2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.

3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine. See Synonyms at celebrity.

4. The principal male character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation.

5. Chiefly New York City. See submarine. See Regional Note at submarine. [/]

A lot rotates around what is considered a hero. Heros are not bad but idols are.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Here's a quiz:

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1. Name the five wealthiest people in the world.

2. Name the last five Heisman trophy winners.

3. Name the last five winners of the Miss America contest.

4. Name ten people who have won the Nobel or Pulitzer prize.

5. Name the last half dozen Academy Award winners for Best Actor

and Actress.

6. Name the last decade's worth of World Series Winners.

How did you do?

THE LESSON

NONE of us remembers the headliners of yesterday.

There are no second-rate achievers on the above quiz.

They are the best in their fields.

But the applause dies.

Awards tarnish.

Achievements are forgotten.

Accolades and certificates are buried with their owners.

Now here's another quiz:

1. List a few teachers who aided your journey through school.

2. Name three friends who have helped you through a difficult

time.

3. Name five people who have taught you something worthwhile.

4. Think of a few people who have made you feel appreciated and

special.

5. Think of five people you enjoy spending time with.

6. Name a half dozen people whose stories have inspired you.

The lesson?

The people who make a difference in your life aren't the ones

with the most credentials, the most money, or the most awards.

They're the ones who care enough to spend personal time and

effort for you. They are the real heroes.

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A lot of my heroes are on this forum.. <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/Falling.gif" alt="" />

[Gail]

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A lot of my heroes are on this forum..

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(((( Pam ))))

[cricket]

...as I said, there is but one Hero worthy of worship.

[bonnie]

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...as I said, there is but one Hero worthy of worship.

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A well earned respect might be more beneficial to both the "hero" and the one that has hero's. To often being placed on the level of hero is what brings the hero down. Looking up at your hero can often cause you to stumble and fall flat on your face along with your hero

[CyberGuy]

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Looking up at your hero can often cause you to stumble and fall flat on your face along with your hero

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Ellen White first vision was about christians walking along a path and Christ at the top. Those that kept looking at Christ made it and those that looked away fell. It all depends who are are the heros we model after. Falible Human beings or Jesus Christ.

I believe we can have heros we look up to in real life. But remember even the heros of the bible had their short comings. King David called a man after Gods own heart had many mistakes. He had a man killed in battle so he could steal his wife after getting her pregnant while the husband was away fighting Davids wars.

Even his last request to Solomon was to have certain people killed who had wronged David in his life.

Still David is one of the heros of the bible.

I doubt many of us even with our worst mistakes would not equal Davids mistakes who was a hero of the bible.

My point is even God can take a frail human being who will makes mistakes and use that person for his work. If God threw out every one that made a mistake in their lives I know we all would be thrown out and Gods work would never get done.

The heros are those that Look to God and take on Gods robes of rightousness to cover their own shortcomings and plug on.

Forgive and forget and move on. God will forgive and God will not remember our sins later on.

[GodsOath]

Looking at all the movies coming out with Heroes I see maybe a desire for us to look for a hero? How come in the last few years we are seeing so many heroes in series and movies? Because people are looking for a hero to idolize. Any hero other than our Lord should be admired not hero worshiped.

[Guest Male Man]

We muzzle our hero's when we become more concerned about reputation than doing what is right.

[aldona]

One of the definitions of "hero" is interesting...

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4. The principal male character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation.

I think this says a lot.

Maybe those asking the question "why don't we have heros anymore?" are really saying "I'm a Male! I, and my fellow males, have a need to be worshipped and admired, and looked up to! Why isn't this happening any more?"

aldona

[Guest Male Man]

No, we are not wanting to be worshipped but wanting to attend a worship service that doesn't make us feel like we are watching a Mary Poppins show.

You ladies are ok, the church caters for women and not men. That's why 70% of our membership is women and 30% is men.

[Henry]

One of the definitions of "hero" is interesting...

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4. The principal male character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation.

I think this says a lot.

Maybe those asking the question "why don't we have heros anymore?" are really saying "I'm a Male! I, and my fellow males, have a need to be worshipped and admired, and looked up to! Why isn't this happening any more?"

aldona

I think it is simply a grammatical convention and no sexism or male chest-thumping is implied. In literature, "hero" is always male by definition. If the main character is female, she is referred to as the "heroine". The term is equivalent to "protagonist", and doesn't imply any admirable features in the character.

Raskolnikov is the "hero" in Dostoevsky's classic "Crime and Punishment". But there is little admirable in the character. In classic Greek tragedy, the "hero" always has a fatal flaw.

[aldona]

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No, we are not wanting to be worshipped but wanting to attend a worship service that doesn't make us feel like we are watching a Mary Poppins show.

That is an interesting statement.

I have just come back from a wonderful church service. There was a interesting mission story, an amicable and intelligent Sabbath School discussion, a music team leading out in some wonderful hymns, some heartfelt prayers, a sermon which gave us all valuable insights from God's Word, and much more.

It honestly didn't occur to me to take notice of whether the people who were presenting all this, were male or female. Nor did it make any difference to the content of the service or the joy of gathering together to worship God.

For what it's worth, our pastor is male, our head elder is male, and many of those who lead out in the services are male. But I have never heard anybody label it "the Dick Van Dyke Show", or anything similar.

But then, I go to church to worship God. Maybe others have different priorities.

aldona

[Jeannieb43]

I have just come back from a wonderful church service. There was a interesting mission story, an amicable and intelligent Sabbath School discussion, a music team leading out in some wonderful hymns, some heartfelt prayers, a sermon which gave us all valuable insights from God's Word, and much more.

It honestly didn't occur to me to take notice of whether the people who were presenting all this, were male or female. Nor did it make any difference to the content of the service or the joy of gathering together to worship God.

For what it's worth, our pastor is male, our head elder is male, and many of those who lead out in the services are male. But I have never heard anybody label it "the Dick Van Dyke Show", or anything similar.

aldona

That's because in your church service the emphasis is on God, not on any human person or personality. A very fine goal -- one which more of our churches should aim for.

[Guest Male Man]

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I have just come back from a wonderful church service. There was a interesting mission story, an amicable and intelligent Sabbath School discussion, a music team leading out in some wonderful hymns, some heartfelt prayers, a sermon which gave us all valuable insights from God's Word, and much more.

Yep, you ladies love it all but look around at the guys who come in off the street - they are bored.

[olger]

It's great to be a man.

We don't have to shave below our neck.

We get to build things.

We get to break things.

We get to blow things up.

If a man wears the same clothing as ours to church, we might just become best friends.

oG

[cricket]

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I have just come back from a wonderful church service. There was a interesting mission story, an amicable and intelligent Sabbath School discussion, a music team leading out in some wonderful hymns, some heartfelt prayers, a sermon which gave us all valuable insights from God's Word, and much more.

Yep, you ladies love it all but look around at the guys who come in off the street - they are bored.

For what it's worth, not all of the men are bored--some actually enjoy these types of worship services and Bible studies. Contrariwise, not all of the women enjoy it--some women are bored with the mission stories, the SS discussions, the music and the worship service.

For my part, I am frustrated with the calls for financial support for overseas missions when I see missions here in my own backyard that need help. I find that the Sabbath School discussion is too constricting and lacks in-depth study and analysis--focusing entirely too much on what the forefathers taught and not on what is relevant for today. The traditional hymns are generally sung without feeling (and though the meaning to the lyrics is often deep, it is sometimes misunderstood--even mispronounced!--by the younger generations); the more modern hymns tend to be repetitive and mundane.

People are so much more than "male" and "female". They are vibrant, sentient, eager-to-learn, students of life. Over time when their needs to draw closer to God are not met within the church, they will look elsewhere.

It's not an issue of meeting the needs of "males" versus "females", but rather an issue of meeting the needs of all persons--whatever their make-up--to pull them closer to a walk with the Lord.

[Woody]

Very good post cricket. Thank you. I am sure there are many who agree with you.

[Dr. Shane]

Originally Posted By: aldona

One of the definitions of "hero" is interesting...

Maybe those asking the question "why don't we have heros anymore?" are really saying "I'm a Male! I, and my fellow males, have a need to be worshipped and admired, and looked up to! Why isn't this happening any more?"

aldona

I think it is simply a grammatical convention and no sexism or male chest-thumping is implied. In literature, "hero" is always male by definition. If the main character is female, she is referred to as the "heroine".

Yes, a hero is always a male. A waiter is also always a male. A female is a waitress. Host and hostess. Actor and actress. No sexism is implied by the term. Sad to see this thread go down that road.

I can't speak for women, but most men need heroes to look up to and model themselves after. This is one of the reason that little boys without daddies are so much more likely to commit crimes and fail in school than boys with a dad in the home.

[carolaa]

No, we are not wanting to be worshipped but wanting to attend a worship service that doesn't make us feel like we are watching a Mary Poppins show.

You ladies are ok, the church caters for women and not men. That's why 70% of our membership is women and 30% is men.

I am so curious what you mean by a "Mary Poppins show." I did not take it to mean that only women were involved, but more that it is too tame. I am also really curious what your ideal worship service would be like.

[Guest Male Man]

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For what it's worth, not all of the men are bored--some actually enjoy these types of worship services and Bible studies. Contrariwise, not all of the women enjoy it--some women are bored with the mission stories, the SS discussions, the music and the worship service.

Cross denominational studies suggest different dude. Why then are men in the church at a 30% low if it is they who are enjoying it and women are not?

A Mary Poppins show has songs that appeal to the women more than men. "And IIII...I'm desperate for you..." is not really a line that true males can go along with. The language of romanticism makes women feel at home and safe in worship but most guys secretly are uncomfortable with it.

Also, most guys will try very hard to appear they like church and some have even convinced themselves into believing they like the way worship is done but when you see them clumsily worshipping you know it is not natural.

[cricket]

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For what it's worth, not all of the men are bored--some actually enjoy these types of worship services and Bible studies. Contrariwise, not all of the women enjoy it--some women are bored with the mission stories, the SS discussions, the music and the worship service.

Cross denominational studies suggest different dude. Why then are men in the church at a 30% low if it is they who are enjoying it and women are not?