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Another transgender bathroom use case is working through the courts in Alabama. This issue is really more about bathroom culture than transgender rights. In some Asian countries, there is one bathroom in, for example, a restaurant. The washroom part of the set up is accessed through a large entry way. There are a number of sinks for people to wash their hands. The part of the facility containing the toilets is accessed by all who enter--male, female, transgender, gay, lesbian and others. Each toilet is an enclosed space with a door that reaches to the floor. In other words, there is privacy provided for elimination but not for handwashing. If bathrooms in schools and other places were designed this way, there would be no need for court cases.

 

 

 

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I know of one 14 story medical office building associated with a university. Long before this transgender stuff got started, they had solved the issue. One the ground floor there are four single use bathrooms each with a sink and toilet. They are first come first serve and are gender neutral. The floors above were designated men's or women's, although I have not been there for a while and likely this has changed. This is likely a trend of the future with many single use restrooms with the number depending on the size of the building and anticipated needs.

This could be the trend in many establishments that have a mens and women's restroom. I was in a Trader Joes recently and the formerly labeled men's and women's restrooms are now labeled for both or gender neutral. They are single use. I went into one and it was all nicely decorated with pictures and stuff. My assessment was that this was the former women's room. Check the other restroom for curiosity showed that this restroom was quite plain with no decorations and was likely the former men's room! Many restrooms and changing rooms have nothing in them which would be specific to a particular sex and it follows that there is no need to label them for either sex.

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Gender neutral is...well, it's ok by me. HOWEVER, according to my husband, men's restrooms are generally a bit disgusting. Women don't (often) stand to urinate. Some "hover", but hovering can be difficult for children, for elderly, and for those with strength or stability difficulties. 

I will look for dedicated women's restrooms whenever I can for this simple reason: clean(er) toilet seats and floors. 

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24 minutes ago, Morwenna said:

Some "hover", but hovering can be difficult for children, for elderly, and for those with strength or stability difficulties. 

For school age young people, no problem. "Hovering" is assumed in some locales; also, recall that there are different types of toilets in different parts of the world. The transgender toilet issues in the States can be easily resolved with some cultural tweaks. Some restrooms, e.g., airports,  include an attendant who makes sure the experience will not disgust  vis-a-vis sanitation.

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Considering that bathrooms for both genders are standard in other parts of the world, there is no reason for people in the States to make such a big thing about where to go to the bathroom. Kind of reminds me of the problems with the execution of criminals. Aside from the morality of the death penalty, existing law does require execution in certain cases. The problem has been the medicalization of the death penalty. Like the bathroom conflict, it's a cultural matter, one that could be easily resolved by firing squads. Executing someone is not a medical matter. It should not involve physicians and nurses and pharmacologic agents. It is a matter for law enforcement personnel and bullets.

Many hospitals have special nurses to start intravenous lines. Not every nurse can do it; nevertheless, prisons employ individuals who are likely not specialists in starting IVs to start IVs on inmates who may not only have difficult veins due to a history of substance abuse, they are likely highly stressed, which also makes venous access more difficult.  

Just as there is nothing wrong with bathrooms designed for everyone to use, there is nothing wrong with execution by firing squad

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I tend to agree with Ghansen, in the area I live these genderless bathrooms are called "tranny cans". Ironically tranvestite's appear to not like this idea as it "endangers women" by allowing men to do their business next to females. Odd I know but this is the culture we find ourselves in these days.

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I realize that all have sinned! Be in the world but not part of it. Judge not but treat all with love and kindness. Take them to the water but let THE HOLY SPIRIT led them to drink. Bathroom should just say bathroom and have several of them for all people-end of story! No Gender is needed!

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15 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

I realize that all have sinned! Be in the world but not part of it. Judge not but treat all with love and kindness. Take them to the water but let THE HOLY SPIRIT led them to drink. Bathroom should just say bathroom and have several of them for all people-end of story! No Gender is needed!

I agree with you here. 

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If we be kind and loving and stand for truth. All sinners who want to change will change. Our help is to lead by example and let THE HOLY SPIRIT do the rest! Blessing!

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On 5/30/2024 at 9:21 AM, Gustave said:

I agree with you here. 

A little curious as to what "all being guilty of sin" has to do with the discomfort of my granddaughters sharing the same bathroom facilities with men?  Or why transgender rights now take priority ?   Why isn't a unisex bathroom sufficient for those that want to share a bathroom with the opposite sex?

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18 minutes ago, bonnie1962 said:

A little curious as to what "all being guilty of sin" has to do with the discomfort of my granddaughters sharing the same bathroom facilities with men?  Or why transgender rights now take priority ?   Why isn't a unisex bathroom sufficient for those that want to share a bathroom with the opposite sex?

I want to leave no doubt on this when I say Transvestites should NOT have access to children. My personal take on this issue is that there is only two options - severe mental illness or unabashed perversion whereas Tranny'ism is concerned. 

That being said I also firmly believe that sin is sin therefore just because I'm not dressing up as a woman and stuffing things up my backside and trying to bugger kids I am in just as much danger of hell fire as is anyone else be they straight or in the LGBTQQAA++ community.

If I was in charge of things I would insure there were men's and women's bathrooms and in proximity there would be a tranny-can (unisex). Your granddaughters should NOT have to share a bathroom with a man masquerading as a woman. 

I have to constantly remind myself that someone else's sin isn't worse than mine (just because it's not my sin). A straight person sins are no less offensive to God than a Tranny-man's sins - both need God to make it to the eternal kingdom.

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That being said I also firmly believe that sin is sin therefore just because I'm not dressing up as a woman and stuffing things up my backside and trying to bugger kids I am in just as much danger of hell fire as is anyone else be they straight or in the LGBTQQAA++ community.

What you have said is 100% true. However when my granddaughters were or are with me the sin I am most concerned with is the one that could impact their lives forever more. I don't know that I have ever heard any that are opposed to same sex bathrooms dispute what you are saying. But when this issue is and the safety of my granddaughters  are concerned I really don't care at that time about the severity or consequences for other sins.

It is always curious to me that any discussion surrounding sex, transgender, gay etc almost always goes to "well all have sinned". OTOH, it is generally unsupervised children that are harmed  sexually most often . Jesus had something very specific and serious to say about those that harm children.

Being opposed to same sex bathrooms is not judging or whitewashing other sins

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Bonnie1962 said: I don't know that I have ever heard any that are opposed to same sex bathrooms dispute what you are saying. But when this issue is and the safety of my granddaughters  are concerned I really don't care at that time about the severity or consequences for other sins

 

From what I understand Tranvestite's are the ones that don't appreciate genderless cans - they appear to want the traditional men's / women's bathrooms. 

You are well within your rights to demand the safety of your granddaughters - I would support you in that 100%. In my view disordered lifestyles should not be advertised / celebrated in the way they are now - I don't believe these types of lifestyles are healthy for kids. 

I watch these catch a predator video's on instagram and it's not surprising all the rainbow flag symbols I see on hats, shirts and sunglasses being worn by the predators - they do indeed like suckling pig. 

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You may be right on transvestites. As for one bathroom serves all I am curious why those that are not transgender are such champions of sharing a bathroom. Unless you are living under a rock somewhere you can't have missed the news reporting  a uptick in assaults or the discomfort and assaults that occur in high school. Regardless of the practice in other countries that hasn't any bearing on what we do.

I have to constantly remind myself that someone else's sin isn't worse than mine (just because it's not my sin). A straight person sins are no less offensive to God than a Tranny-man's sins - both need God to make it to the eternal kingdom.

Mostly 100% true. I am still curious as to why the rush to state the above when this topic comes up and not nearly so much  on other issues . Following the Sandy Hook shooting I did not hear "all have sinned" Personally I believe God will deal harsher with a active pedophile than those committing other sins.

Aside from that what makes transgender so special that those that object to one bathroom for all  are viewed as narrow minded bigots. After all they do so in other countries. Being  forced to forfeit their comfort level and bow to the wishes of transgenders. Why is it so offensive to some to expect transgenders to respect our wishes and privacy?

A unisex bathroom along with the existing would provide a peaceful solution.

Those that choose to use facilities with the opposite sex do what would be your response to a daughter needing to use a public restroom and would you encourage her to use the facility you see men going into?

Regardless of my sins I can almost guarantee you that if I were aware someone had just molested my granddaughter, remembering "all have sinned" isnt what would be first to come to mind.

 

 

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From what I understand Transvestites don't want to share a bathroom with another man, they want to share it with women, excluding the men. I know this sounds odd given that tranny's are in fact men but it is what it is. 

Bonnie, I agree with you about the seriousness of messing with Children. 100%

What I said was meant to be in the context of Transvestite drag queen shows, the Enumclaw Animal sex farm in Washington state that made the national news where men were dressing up like women and having horses carve up their pumpkins - I was talking about stuff like that. 

I know when I see the various parades we have where I live I do get disgusted but have to remind myself I have plenty of beams in my own eyes I need to work on before I am judgmental on a man in panty hose wearing a wig and lipstick getting Rodger'd by a horse. 

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Thank you for your response. I  understood where you were coming from. I simply fail to understand why this topic brings out the "do not judge crowd" because of their personal opinion being stated. Any discussion, statement that is made in opposition to supporting rights for transgenders, transvestites, gays or lesbians do not judge follows quickly. Most that oppose this are not judging anyone. It would be a pretty simple solution to offer a unisex bathroom.  That isn't what this group is after, they want their lifestyle to be viewed as acceptable and completely normal and those that oppose are bigoted, judgmental "christians". Doesn't take long for the "do not judge crowd" to start admonishing.  Aren't they  by stating their opinion and taking the opposition to task committing the very sin they are attributing to others?

Personally I don't care what they do in other countries. I would not allow my granddaughters to follow my grandsons into the bathroom here in my home or elsewhere. Or my husband to follow a granddaughter. Why would I be comfortable and support that behavior with strangers? If that is judging then so be it. A unisex bathroom takes care of the problem. No one is forced into a situation that would make them uncomfortable. So as not to risk appearing judgmental and unchristian one can choose the facility that will expose them to both sexes.  Leaving the traditional restrooms to the bigots. 

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Bonnie said: That isn't what this group is after, they want their lifestyle to be viewed as acceptable and completely normal and those that oppose are bigoted, judgmental "christians". Doesn't take long for the "do not judge crowd" to start admonishing.  Aren't they  by stating their opinion and taking the opposition to task committing the very sin they are attributing to others?

I can't find fault with or disagree with a single word you said there. 

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