GHansen Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Another transgender bathroom use case is working through the courts in Alabama. This issue is really more about bathroom culture than transgender rights. In some Asian countries, there is one bathroom in, for example, a restaurant. The washroom part of the set up is accessed through a large entry way. There are a number of sinks for people to wash their hands. The part of the facility containing the toilets is accessed by all who enter--male, female, transgender, gay, lesbian and others. Each toilet is an enclosed space with a door that reaches to the floor. In other words, there is privacy provided for elimination but not for handwashing. If bathrooms in schools and other places were designed this way, there would be no need for court cases. phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/W Photodude Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I know of one 14 story medical office building associated with a university. Long before this transgender stuff got started, they had solved the issue. One the ground floor there are four single use bathrooms each with a sink and toilet. They are first come first serve and are gender neutral. The floors above were designated men's or women's, although I have not been there for a while and likely this has changed. This is likely a trend of the future with many single use restrooms with the number depending on the size of the building and anticipated needs. This could be the trend in many establishments that have a mens and women's restroom. I was in a Trader Joes recently and the formerly labeled men's and women's restrooms are now labeled for both or gender neutral. They are single use. I went into one and it was all nicely decorated with pictures and stuff. My assessment was that this was the former women's room. Check the other restroom for curiosity showed that this restroom was quite plain with no decorations and was likely the former men's room! Many restrooms and changing rooms have nothing in them which would be specific to a particular sex and it follows that there is no need to label them for either sex. Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwenna Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Gender neutral is...well, it's ok by me. HOWEVER, according to my husband, men's restrooms are generally a bit disgusting. Women don't (often) stand to urinate. Some "hover", but hovering can be difficult for children, for elderly, and for those with strength or stability difficulties. I will look for dedicated women's restrooms whenever I can for this simple reason: clean(er) toilet seats and floors. phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHansen Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Morwenna said: Some "hover", but hovering can be difficult for children, for elderly, and for those with strength or stability difficulties. For school age young people, no problem. "Hovering" is assumed in some locales; also, recall that there are different types of toilets in different parts of the world. The transgender toilet issues in the States can be easily resolved with some cultural tweaks. Some restrooms, e.g., airports, include an attendant who makes sure the experience will not disgust vis-a-vis sanitation. phkrause and Morwenna 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassy0110 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 I think people should built cubicles in the toilet and there won't be any problems phkrause 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHansen Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 Considering that bathrooms for both genders are standard in other parts of the world, there is no reason for people in the States to make such a big thing about where to go to the bathroom. Kind of reminds me of the problems with the execution of criminals. Aside from the morality of the death penalty, existing law does require execution in certain cases. The problem has been the medicalization of the death penalty. Like the bathroom conflict, it's a cultural matter, one that could be easily resolved by firing squads. Executing someone is not a medical matter. It should not involve physicians and nurses and pharmacologic agents. It is a matter for law enforcement personnel and bullets. Many hospitals have special nurses to start intravenous lines. Not every nurse can do it; nevertheless, prisons employ individuals who are likely not specialists in starting IVs to start IVs on inmates who may not only have difficult veins due to a history of substance abuse, they are likely highly stressed, which also makes venous access more difficult. Just as there is nothing wrong with bathrooms designed for everyone to use, there is nothing wrong with execution by firing squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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